[raven1111] ArizonaHeat truth is stranger than fiction sometimes....
[ArizonaHeat] raven1111 going over some information i got yesterday, and reading up on the last three days of intel
[raven1111] ArizonaHeat It has been an interesting three days...
[ArizonaHeat] raven1111 yes it has, just need to sift through all the BS and take in the good, and there is good news,
[mammaof3] Can someone explain to me the 15 days Mali. has? This still will not ensure the RV happening on his 15th day right?
[mammaof3] ArizonaHeat Please tell us the good news
[ArizonaHeat] mammaof3 that is a deadline that Talabani and Allawi came up with in regards to Maliki owning up the the Erbil agreement
[ArizonaHeat] the thing is they gave themselves a back wall they will never use. its a bluff and Maliki called them on it
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[ArizonaHeat] so now they need to put up or shut up
[ArizonaHeat] but the thing is Maliki has too many iraqi followers to do a N/C (no confidence)
[ArizonaHeat] and early elections will just prolong things
[ArizonaHeat] the good news is, shabibi wants this whole process to end so that he may start in open the monitary procedures that need to be implimented asap
[ArizonaHeat] also, the NATO sec Gen has spoken to O about the progress in iraq and doesnt want to see that in other countries, O spoke to him and said the situation was hours from completion, they have the Chicago summit on the 20th of this month, over 60 nations will be in attendance
[mammaof3] There are other countries that are trying to push this through too... like the Chinese right? You'd think Maliki would be a little afraid for his life...with these games
[ArizonaHeat] mammaof3 the chinese have 0 to do with the final outcome of this RV
[mrsjim54] arizonaheat i believe maliki has wanted the RV all along, but at the expense of the iraqi people b/c he did not want to implement erbil. do you agree with that?
[ [ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 he does not like the Erbil agreement but signed it, this agreement was negotiated with our goverment back in 2010
[mrsjim54] ArizonaHeat but do you agree he wants the RV without Erbil
[ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 yes
ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 in fact not yes but Hell yes, then he would have power and a rich nation, he would be unstoppable
[raven1111] ArizonaHeat Well thank you, helped me clear alittle of that smoke that has been mind boggling the last few days.
[mammaof3] TY ArizonaHeat
mrsjim54] ArizonaHeat so we could have had RV a year ago if left up to Maliki, but we would have s-crewed the iraqi people. not good
[ArizonaHeat] i know you have more questions, i want to answer as many as i can, if i dont know the answer i will say so, but i cant say much here without it sounding like im bashing other intel providers, but if you ask me questions i can answer them any way i want
[mrsjim54] ArizonaHeat the million dollar question is who has control. providers seem about equally split between IRAQ amd SOMEBODY ELSE
[ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 right now, it is iraq in total control of the rv, it was said before it was out of their hands, the reason for that being said was they had finished everything they had to do to revalue, but now the political BS is started and so its now Iraq slowing the process down
[findmoney] AZ Whats the buzz from your DC contacts?
[ArizonaHeat] findmoney they are watching the KRG and what Maliki plans to do about the Erbil agreement, the KRG has the support of the us and the IMF
[findmoney] What is KRG?
[ArizonaHeat] Kurtistand region
[mrsjim54] do you believe the power struggles in iraq right now are all posturing? that they are just stalling with this stuff until they are ready to RV?
[ArizonaHeat] remember when Barsani (spelling?) was in Washington speaking to O, this is when he gained political power over Maliki with O backing him
ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 its a power strugle, its Maliki wanting power he doesn’t even have and Shabibi wanting to make sure he never gets it before the RV
[mrsjim54] yes, but i thought he was there to urge O to make M pay for the oil shipped from KRG since last may
ArizonaHeat] mrsjim54 YES!!! very correct
[brsuperduty] Maliki will never get the full power will he
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty NO
[brsuperduty] so as soon as they make him give it up (Ebril) bamm right
[xyz] ArizonaHeat this sounds like indefinate wait imo. what you think?
[findmoney] Kinda smells like IRAN has their hand in the pot and stirring it up
[ArizonaHeat] the next couple of days are going to be tense, i wont lie to ya, if this go's south, it may take some time to iron it all out. just being honest
[ArizonaHeat] findmoney you are so so good
[brsuperduty] iran is working thru M and the rest know it ????
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty that is where he was born and raised
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat ahhhhhh
ArizonaHeat] Maliki is Iranian, so he has loyalty towards his home country
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat do you think the rest in charge will stick to their guns?? and make M sign
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty thats the thing, if they don’t they look weak, if they do they look stupid,
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty and he already signed the agreement back in 2010
[txgirl] ArizonaHeat earlier you said that M did not like it but he signed it so if it is signed why is it so difficult to implement it
[donnalynn] txgirl was thinking the same thing
ArizonaHeat] he isnt signing the one drawn up for the official enactment of the Erbil, he signed a Erbil agreement drafted up back in 2010. So he also looks like he is going back on his word at this time with the KRG and those along with us are the ones that put him in power.
[brsuperduty] so basicly the banks are getting ready, BUT the ultimate ok is Shabs, hence certian peeps are just looking at it from the banking perspective thinking its gonna pop.
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty i have no clue what the bankers are seeing. It boggles my mind that they are so ready for something that hasn’t even happened yet, and honestly, what is there to get ready for?. I’m curious about that myself.
[ArizonaHeat] my friend went in and cashed in some VND just to see how the process worked, ya, he didnt make a dime- in fact he lost a little. but the process took ...oh about three minutes
brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat hahaha i know its coming to the banks via central bank. its kinda just a recieving thing, not alot to get ready for??
chillimac] ArizonaHeat if they are in wto , how can they trade or sell oil, if no value to currancy
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac when did they become part of the WTO?
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat i am asking you sir
[chillimac] how can they be pres of opec?
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac oh, they are not part of them, and SO want to be
[chillimac] or join wto
chillimac] ArizonaHeat so how are they selling all this oil they’re pumping?
ArizonaHeat] chillimac pres of OP{EC is an honorary position, they go in alphabetical order of the countries involved, thats all i know on that
[care888] ArizonaHeat ...they want to a member as a whole country or just select leaders and who?
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat but they’re pumping oil,
[oucrazy] . . to me, it appears that they are conducting business based upon future agreements. It's like they have a letter of credit almost
[chillimac] oucrazy their pps cannot live on credit can they?
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac they still sell it but im not sure of the whole payment thing, im sure it still goes through the IMF
[chillimac] something is not right with this line of thinking
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat do you think M will cave or they'll do the no confidence vote iyo
[oucrazy] chillimac . . .heck no!!
[michael1967] Does.."M"..still have untill the 15th to get his part done?
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty a N/C vote will be crazy, they will never do it
[chillimac] what about Kuwait, they’re not pumping
[ArizonaHeat] michael1967 that was a bluff, he called them on it now they have to put up or shut up, like i said the next few days will be tense
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat ahhh so M still has the upper hand??
[michael1967] ArizonaHeat ...Thanks...your right...very.Tense!!
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty well.......not really, its complicated, he does in regards to the people of Iraq, he doesnt in reference to the leaders of Iraq
[findmoney] I agree that next few days are really the make all or break all for us on a anytime soon for an Rv/Ri. That is what has had me the most nervous about this deal since I got in. Depending on Iraqi sects Politicians to get along is like stepping on a rattlesnake and expecting to not get bit.
[ArizonaHeat] findmoney it will be interesting to see what happens on Sunday
chillimac] ArizonaHeat something is off here, things do not add up, as far as their situation on pumping oil, feeding there pps, selling oil, , this does not add up sir
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat aahhhh thanks, but theres alot M wants to get done and started too but cant until their money is worth something but Shabs says not till you cooperate
[findmoney] Very true. And is becoming very apparant that Shabbibi absolutley detests ( kind word) Maliki
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat have they had incountry rv
chillimac] ArizonaHeat i respect you an am trying to understand where your comming from, but something is not right here sir
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac you’re right, thats why the country is so messed up, they are in poverty, they have no homes, they have no running water in areas of Iraq in Bagdad, they have no money, people are hungry day after day, crime is on the rise, bombings, civil unrest, you’re right it doesn’t add up how they pump billions of US dollars a month and are in the situation they are in
[chillimac] help me please to understand
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac NO IN COUNTRY RV AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat then Shabbs has to do something for his own pps , very soon, we will benefit from that
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty very true statement, they are like four year olds in the sand box with one pail to play with
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat could they be selling oil on credits, as in getting paid when they get to where they can join wto???
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac not being rude so don’t take it this way please, you said "we will benefit from"/ This has nothing to do with us, period. Yes, we will benefit from the RV, but Shabs is more interested in the future of Iraq, not the quick fix.
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty i was told they still have a fund at the IMF, Im not too sure how all that works, I just dont know
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat i have tried to understand both ways, articles, and .... The other intel also, trying to tie the two together, I believe some of the articles are true, but Ithink a lot of them are bs,
[findmoney] They have a good opportunity to get this done now. Syria is the magnet for the militants right now and are basically leaving Iraq at some peace for now. But that wont last long
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat ah maybe they can sell their oil but it goes in a fund for them at imf for after they are a member
[ArizonaHeat] Shabs is a very very intelligent man, almost too intelligent. He looks at every aspect of the RV and what it can do in every single situation
ArizonaHeat] chillimac yes BS BS BS
[tobit2] ArizonaHeat: Thank you for your input
[ArizonaHeat] so much so that we over here, put a spin on some of it and make it RV related, that pxxxxx me off
TwtyFn25] So are we still looking good for this weekend
[tobit2] ArizonaHeat: insight. What is your opinion of where the banks are with all this - are they really just waiting for the word to come down from UST? Thank you.
[choochoo] ArizonaHeat Same happens everytime O picks up the mike lol
[ArizonaHeat] tobit2 they have always been ready. they are probably getting ready for a mass of cash in and preparing for that, but the cash in thing is no big deal
[oucrazy] . . . this discussion this morning has put a better understanding for where we are. Thnx
collie] ArizonaHeat thank you for being here this morning..your input to me is always valued.
[ArizonaHeat] Remember when China became a holding company here in the US, we knew about that a day before it became public, the reason we never put it out was that someone put a spin on that intel saying it was Wells Fargo being bought out. Thats what I’m talking about, people putting spins on good intel and making it bad.
spins on good intel and making it bad
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat Well, world bank always wanted "One World Order." Careful what you wish for...They never expected to be knocked out of the loop. Your intel has been very calm and intelligent...thank you
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH that will never happen
[tobit2] ArizonaHeat: Thanks - your opinions are always appreciated. I have to believe that the banks are more anxious then we are. I am sure the pressure is mounting on M by the hour from all angles - not to mention the pressure from the Iraqi people.
ArizonaHeat] tobit2 yes the banks want this, they stand to make millions if not billions off this deal
TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat BRICS doesn't have the power?
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat What is your understanding of the role that the Chinese play in this RV process, IF ANY?
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend none
[tobit2] ArizonaHeat: Agreed, not to mention all the countries/govt's who will get healthy - no pressure there to get this done.
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend let me rephrase that, they hold no more power than anyone else, they have wants and needs like everyone else
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat So all the discussion about the Chinese forcing this to occur is nonsense.
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend yes
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat Has not Chna turned Fed into lame duck
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH no
ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH if you have some intel on that i would like to hear it, as far as washington goes, they have no holds on us at all. we in fact have plenty on them
[wittsend] Did O's unexpected visit to Reno yesterday have any effect on it not happening?
ArizonaHeat] wittsend not that im aware of, he may have lost a little at the casino, but thats about all i know rofl
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