DreamWeaver: Jt, hopefully XXXXX isn't insulted as I did not direct this at him personally, but the concept that Maliki is out of the country and there's some type of rouse to keep it looking as though he is ... well it's nonsensical to me in light of reports and my own intuition.
And as far as that great friend to dinarians being back in the country.
Anyone who read the threads yesterday already knows that Shabibi, the friend to our community, is about to be exonerated, so that point need not have been quite so cryptic and veiled in mystery, as there is no way for us to yet know if Shabibi is back in the country. All of this is just my personal opinion.
I'm not at all vested in any one viewpoint being true, as I'm coming from a purely objective perspective, so Mystic, there is nothing for me to let go of as I'm not holding any preconceived concepts.
And I'm certainly not going to just give intel-providers or anyone a pass when their posts are illogical.
That was the entire point of my post and whether you or anyone else "knows where I stand" is irrelevant to why I post. If you view my post as being "critical" and I "need to let this all go" IMO that's a tactic to try and make questioning people like me, with no personal agenda, to just sit down and be quiet. That's not going to happen, Mystic, but I respect your right and everyone's right to see it that way. Best. DW.
Mike: Keep posting, DW, there is nothing wrong with asking questions and seeking the truth. This has been a pretty wild thread, there was a lot of effort to circumvent the news as it was reported to support the intel that started it.
Brule: Congress Nineveh: the popular movement kills 50 terrorists from Daash day
Thursday, 21 August / August 2014 13:25
Congress declared the province of Nineveh for the Kurdistan Democratic Party, on Thursday, for the popular movement of the population of the province killing 50 terrorists, gangs Daash day.
The MP said Knight friend at a news conference with deputies from his party building, the House of Representatives attended reporter Agency all of Iraq [where] that "the popular movement in the Nineveh liver terrorist groups large losses estimated at 50 people per day," calling "the Ministry of Commerce to provide food for all citizens in Nineveh. "
He asked the Ministry of Municipalities "to pay the salaries of the contracts have been suspended for three months in Nineveh," noting that "the province suffers from a lack of fuel, especially gasoline and therefore call for the treatment of this matter by the federal government, as well as also demand that health by providing drugs for all hospital Nineveh."
It is said that Nineveh province is witnessing more than two months and the security situation tragic because of the control of the terrorist gangs Daash to maintain what has led to the displacement of dozens of its residents to the
Phillyman: Just curious, I would love to stay on the lojak train but how do you explain Italy's Prime Minister meeting with Maliki? Is he part of the coverup?
Rileysetter: Phillyman let's see:
1. It was a body double
2. It was staged event in another country
3. Its an old photo
4. M was flown in just for the photo op then flown back out to his current lodging 90 minutes by air from Baghdad
I may have missed it, but has anyone considered that the man may actually still be in Baghdad. I know this flies in the face of the exhalted "intel"... but come on.
DreamWeaver: Philly, IMO the explanation may not be forthcoming or the continuation of the same concept that Maliki isn't really there. Ignore reality. Accept illusion. All in an attempt to be right.
In all honesty, though, to me no proving needs to be done, either way, as that sometimes involves people having to set aside or embrace their preconceived ideas or beliefs. Tough to do.
But I've been doing that since childhood, so it's not tough for me. I just remain neutral, gathering data, weighing thoughts, comparing them to other thoughts, allowing my own logic and intuition to guide. It works. Been on track about a lot of things so far.
Up until yesterday, I was still on the fence about whether or not there was "a plan" in motion as carried to us by Lojak. Today, I'm not at all believing there is a plan as it feels too much like smoke and mirrors to me and once that feeling starts, I just push whatever is causing that feeling off to the side.
Personally not interested in trying to figure out WHY something doesn't ring true as that can be a Pandora box of muddled up half-truths. I'm just going to keep on doing what I'm doing, confident that the RV will happen but not at all aware of exactly how or when or at what rate.
Detached from all of that. Keeps me peaceful and open to possibilities. If it turns out that XXXXX or Tlar or Randy or Kap or anyone here was right in what they put forth, that would be fine with me.
I'm not into ego or needing to be right. I'm a detective, shifting through clues, looking for the truth with no personal agenda at all, which some will believe and others won't. All the same, eventually the truth stands in its own light. My purpose is to stand right there waiting for it to be revealed. Best. DW
Rockstar: Awesome replies DreamWeaver and thanks for sticking to your guns!!! You have every right to post exactly what you have and if people don't want to read the truth than they can't just pass it up just as the gurus state, if you don't like it than don't respond..lol
it just seems most really want to hear the secret intel and always take it as the gospel truth! I sure hope all these people with blinders on listen to this next message!!! After the RV please make sure you get very qualified wealth advisors and wealth management team in place ASAP!
Because just like the lottery winners 80% of you will be broke within 3 to 5 years! This is a one shot deal folks you will never have this opportunity again in your lifetime! While it is fun to listen to these people who have a crazy need to be idolized on a Dinar forum for their two minutes of fame....you Must use your common sense really!
Rileysetter, you are absolutely correct!!! It's so funny how people completely ignore the obvious or facts and would rather believe the intel...lol... And we wonder why the Jerry Springer show lasted on tv for so long!
Oldwazhisname: I really appreciate your common sense, DW. And having you articulate it so well helps put my own feelings in better perspective. The one thing I would like to add to this conversation is that if XXXXX Randy K and Tlar, or any other guru-type, really has the community’s best interests in mind they would speak up at some point to help the whole community realize what we’re all up against – bad intel and how to protect us all from it.
I’m not saying that they somehow assert this as a fraud (probably nearly all of us don’t believe that). But to the extent that they receive certain inside intel from sources and they, in turn, become mouthpieces for that intel (that has been proven wrong on key points – look, any intel purveyor can get a feel for direction and more or less get it right –
what I’m talking about is substantive deep perspective, like “The Plan”), they should have the integrity to come back to the community and explain some things.
Tlar has been great about explaining why he trusts his source and he is probably the best in the community at connecting the dots. Lojak says he has 5 -6 sources in the right places.
Randy speaks with such authority. If this latest key precuser event turns out to evolve into another explanation that “the plan has changed” outcome, I would hope that the guru-types who are thinkers and closer to the situation than any of us would try to explain the how and why and help protect the community better from bogus intel providers.
Not bashing XXXXX or Tlar for they just pass on what they believe is trustworthy intel. But they also are probably best to judge what went wrong and whether they were originally duped and just as importantly “why?”. This effort by even just one of them would distinguish that one from the rest of the pack.
Mike: For me, it's always been pretty simple, intel has never been right. Traditional sources are not fool proof, but when you see photo's and numerous sources pointing to an event that occurred, you can be reasonably confident that the news is right. Just once, I'd like the intel to prove true so that we can exchange these dinars and never think about Iraqi politics again.
Brule: The Ten Year Plan is a fact, and adherance to the plan is also a fact. If you take a wider look at what has taken place in Iraq, it is very impressive, and followed a plan.
I have said over and over that we see the chaos (Maliki) but there has been a a group moving forward with the plan. Don't listen to what they say, but listen to what they do.
Any "intel" will become blurred when dealing with an emerging and complicated country like Iraq, and a maniacal dictator, especially a dictator and his cronies that are scrambling to save their lives, literally, here at the end.
Unless you are the one pushing the button on the assassin squad, there is no controlling Maliki and his PR team, and delays and bumps are going to happen, and is what has happened IMO.
This is so typical of human nature to look for the salacious and sensational, rather than the boring trudge of progress.
Schiz: Nina has always been right, she has been my intel guru for a long long time now :)
If it aint on nina it aint true!
M was on nina meeting people in baghdad, what does that = to me...yup you guessed it, its TRUE :D
But who cares right?
Turki said he wants to see the new government, he hasn't got that yet. Makes no differrence if M is there or not.
I don't understand why him being out of country has been hyped up so much?! it doesn't matter!!
Turki didnt say when the government is settled and M is out of Iraq, did he?
He is the only guru you want to listen to!
HighFive: Brule, Agreed! And where there is a plan, there is sure to be politics involved.
Plan + Iraq (Maliki/GOI x CBI - S) Politics (USA X 10th power + (X2)G20) = RV + or - coming days.
The plan is subject to variables. Thanks Lojak for keeping us informed about what you know/hear.
Brenda: ...great post Brule..in a nutshell..logical..someone has a plan..and is carrying it out...we watch and wait..
Skylimit: Right on Brule, when the main actors in a plan go off course adjustments must be made. Iraq is a soverign country wrapped with US and Western interests, which can complicate the heck out of things. 95% of intel is BS and the great generals are great because they know which 5% to believe.
We are seekers here trying to figure out the 5% of intel that matters in this endeaver.