Charlie & Dinar Speculator Member Chat : Q & A - ISIS and GOLD Part 1
Please note that the Money For Nothing video is no longer available on YouTube due to copyrights. It is worth watching if you can get a copy.
Charlie hi everybody!
tudor hey hey!
aj4now howdy doody Charlie
Charlie hope you enjoyed the fed video
tudor me bad, was off working :$
Charlie its right here... 22 seconds... is the Fed printing money? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1jYOgZP0A
tudor hahahahahahaah love it!
Charlie its part of the movie: Money For Nothing so watch when you can, it's not a comedy but it shows how the Fed was responsible for the 2008 crash
Charlie so my internet is good and i have a backup
tudor your ready huh
Charlie we left off on isis when i posted the video
aj4now Ready, set GO !
Charlie do you think they have to completely rid Iraq of dassh or isis before the RV?
Charlie that was the Q posed last night and there is another
Charlie i posted a video that talks about how isis is supported through the saudis - not directly through the govt but through very rich donors
Charlie i'm not going to chase the rabbit down the hole tonight
tudor hahhhaha okey dokey
Charlie plain and simple isis has to be stopped before an rv
aj4now that is understandable
tudor thanks charlie, I thought they could rv if they got they mostly gone
tudor on the run
Charlie yes mostly gone is more accurate, this is just another flavor of radical islamist
tudor ok then I was a wee bit right lol
Charlie i don't believe the dinar would exist if isis took control of iraq, but i think they are playing a role in disrupting the middle east in ways that will serve the US best interests
tudor explain please
Charlie i read an article that explains it best
Charlie Iran, Shia militias involvement in ISIS fight a mixed blessing for U.S., Iraq
tudor as in their militay not ours?
Charlie let me cut and paste parts of it
Charlie Ousting ISIS from Tikrit is important for dozens of countries in the United States-led coalition trying to thwart the Islamist extremist group's quest to grow its caliphate.
Iran isn't a part of this coalition, but it is also working to defeat ISIS -- something that's provoked both relief and alarm in Washington.
Charlie He doesn't wear a uniform or hold an official rank, but Hadi Al-Amari is a powerful military leader in Iraq.
Charlie He leads the Hashd Al-Shaabi, a predominantly Shia paramilitary force doing much of the fighting in the critical battle to take Tikrit from ISIS extremists.
tudor ok I have read a little about him
tudor purely Iranian
Charlie Al-Amari is confident his men, with help from the Iraqi army and some Sunnis, can crush ISIS in Iraq without this coalition's help. He's sure because the Iranians are advising them.
Charlie We don't need it, and we won't need it, he said. "Anyone who puts their faith in the international coalition to liberate Iraq is putting their faith on a mirage."
Charlie Iran knows what it's doing, in his view. "Yes, we declare to the world, we have Iranian advisers, and we're proud of them, and we thank them deeply for participating with us because Iran has more experience than anyone else on Earth in fighting terrorism."
Charlie Does it matter that Iran is advising militias fighting ISIS? Does it matter which countries are taking part in the fight against ISIS -- including that one of them, Iran, is a longstanding U.S. foe?
Charlie When asked questions along those lines Wednesday in Washington, it seemed that even top U.S. military officials didn't have easy answers.
The view is that defeating ISIS is good, while relying on and possibly strengthening Iran is not. In other words, Iran's involvement in Iraq is a mixed blessing
tudor catch 22
Charlie yes very much
Charlie To make sense of this all, one needs to understand not only the international landscape and Iraqi politics, but Islam itself. The religion's two major sects are Sunni and Shia.
In Iraq, Sunni Arabs comprise 15% to 20% of Iraq's population, with about half of them in urban areas like Baghdad, Mosul and Tikrit, according to the Council on Foreign Relations.
About 18% of Iraq's population is Sunni Kurds. That means the vast majority of Iraqis are Shiite Muslims. And it matters.
Charlie During his decades-long rule, Saddam Hussein -- a Sunni whose hometown is Tikrit -- gave positions of power to Sunnis, and marginalized Shiites, experts say.
Many Shiite families fled to Iran and the country gave them housing and jobs and schooled their children. That imbued Iraqi Shiites who have returned home with a fierce allegiance to Iran.
Charlie Shias have led Iraq since Hussein's ouster, often alienating Sunnis in the process. This has fueled major sectarian rifts that peaked when Nuri al-Maliki was prime minister, leading to not only millions of disaffected citizens but a weaker central government and military that ISIS frequently overran in 2013 and 2014.
Charlie Haider al-Abadi took over as Prime Minister last year in part to address these deep divisions. Still, some Sunnis haven't seen the change they want:
For instance, Sheikh Naim al-Gaoud in February called for direct U.S. arming of Sunni tribes like his or at least pressure to make Iraq's government help them more in the fight for Anbar province.
Charlie And Shiite militias sometimes have done more to hurt than help the cause of unity.
Charlie The fear is that mostly Shia militias, like the one led by al-Amari, will inflame the tinderbox of sectarian strife -- with Human Rights Watch warning of revenge attacks on Sunnis in Tikrit.
Charlie Add to this equation the fact that ISIS is made up Sunni Muslims who consider Shias heretics and apostates, slaughtering them in large numbers. Civilians and troops alike have faced their wrath:
The most glaring incident may have been last June, when the militant group overran an Iraqi military base once known as Camp Speicher -- which, notably, is near Tikrit -- and claimed to kill some 1,600 air force cadets, the vast majority of them Shias.
Charlie iven these harsh realities, it's not necessarily cut and dried what a Sunni citizen in Tikrit will think if either Shia militias or the Shia-led Iraqi military battle the Sunni group ISIS. "Do I choose the Iraqi military (which is working with the U.S.-led coalition) or ISIS? Do I choose leukemia or the plague? ...
Which groups do they dislike more?" said Stephen Biddle, a strategy expert and the award-winning author of "Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle." "It's not like the Sunnis love ISIS; most don't. But some think the Shiite government is a bigger threat than ISIS."
Charlie So what should the United States do?
Charlie Jessica Stern, a lecturer on terrorism at Harvard University who this month published, "ISIS: The State of Terror," says it's imperative to address the sectarian divisions in Iraq and continue pushing for changes in its government.
She notes that "the anti-Sunni, Shia-promoting government of Maliki" was a big reason ISIS was able "to take root" in Iraq.
Charlie Many Sunnis feel under siege. ISIS is saying, 'We're going to protect you. ISIS is presenting itself as a savior of Sunnis, she said. But, as Biddle points out, reform in a bureaucracy comes slow.
There's been talk for years about healing Iraq's sectarian divide. What's to say talk will translate into action anytime soon?
Charlie Biddle thinks the U.S. should consider sweetening the carrots offered to the Iraqis as incentives -- and start carrying bigger sticks -- to spur it to get its act together.
The biggest stick would be pulling out of the fight against ISIS. "Right now we seem to be limping along with whatever they do," he said.
"We're not offering them many goodies to do what we want and not making them feel like they're going to suffer much either if they don't do what we want."
Charlie Is the enemy of an enemy really a friend? Enter Iran.
Charlie It's part of this quandary because it shares a border with Iraq, has its own interest in fending off ISIS, and is predominantly Shia. It's also a staunch foe of the United States, which its leaders have cast as the "Great Satan."
That lack of love is mutual, with Washington leading a years-long standoff with Tehran over its nuclear program. (There are ongoing talks aimed at resolving that impasse, but critically no deal yet.)
Charlie lets pause here and lets talk Iran again
Charlie the biggest reason they are a foe, is because the US is trying to stop them from exporting oil
Charlie they need to use their own oil for energy
Charlie nuclear power would give them that chance
Charlie i use to buy into the whole nuclear weapons threat
Charlie and while there may be a threat, oil coming out of iran is the real problem, particularly for the saudis
tudor Iran would get a piece of the oil pie
Charlie we will need to spend some time on what's going on behind the middle east curtain, but i can't tonight
Charlie yes they would
Charlie back to the article
Charlie Yet ISIS is likewise America's enemy, with President Barack Obama saying that the goal is to "degrade and ultimately destroy" that group. It's not in Iran's interest to have Iraq devolve into a sectarian war, says retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Francona, a CNN military analyst.
Charlie The Iranians are smart enough to know that's a possibility, so they would be telling the Shia-led militias not to make this a Sunni v. Shia fight, Francona said.
But what should the United States think about Iran's efforts to defeat ISIS by backing Shia-led militias?
Charlie Speaking at a congressional hearing Wednesday about the White House's request for use of force to fight ISIS, the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff opined that Iran's involvement in helping Iraqi forces is a good thing.
Charlie Anything anyone does to counter ISIS is in the main a good outcome, Gen. Martin Dempsey said. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter suggested that the matter was more nuanced.
The U.S. is worried about Iran's role, he said. "It is something that is concerning to us," he said of Iran's role, "in particular because the sectarian danger in Iraq is the principal thing that can unravel the campaign against ISIS."
Charlie behind this curtain I believe is something much bigger
Charlie the US is ramping up conversation with Iran about nuclear power
Charlie since this is going against everything i said before about the US not wanting Iran to have nuclear power, something is must be afoot
tudor its all very scarey not knowing
Charlie Enter Israel
Charlie If Iran were to get access to nuclear material, Israel will flip
Charlie so the US best interest is to defeat Isis in Iraq with Iran's help
tudor ahhh think I am getting it
Charlie but it won't really matter how any of this helps Iran because they are going to have a much bigger problem on their hands
aj4now me too....a little slow but I sure appreciate you explaining it in plain English, Charlie
Charlie From Gabriel Scheinmann is Director of Policy at The Jewish Policy Center: The Obama Administration may be on the verge of completing a deal that leaves Iran with a substantial nuclear capability, but about a year away from a bomb’s worth of fissile material.
Charlie By not insisting on the dismantlement of any major nuclear infrastructure, or even on the complete cessation of enrichment activities, the White House is betting that not only is Iran likely to heed the deal,
but also that the United States would have enough time to act appropriately and decisively if it does not. Believing it has headed-off the seemingly unavoidable march towards war with Iran, the White House is crowing about its impending diplomatic feat.
Charlie but wait
Charlie Unfortunately, rather than obviating the likelihood of war, this deal encourages it. For different reasons, inking this accord increases the chances that both Israel and the United States take military action against Iran to stop its nuclear pursuits.
As former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger aptly concluded in recent Congressional testimony, the goal of the nuclear talks has evolved “from preventing proliferation to managing it.” In doing so, the Administration has sown the seeds of future conflict.
Charlie For Israel, the deal represents the failure of its decade-long effort to prevent Iranian proliferation. Unquestionably, the country has believed that it would not only be better to dismantle Iran’s program through non-military means,
but also, if that option proved impossible, that the United States would take the lead in destroying Iran’s nuclear assets. The deal reveals that neither is true.
Charlie The Obama Administration has chosen to tolerate rather than disassemble a vast Iranian nuclear program.
Having an understandably much lower threshold for what it can tolerate due to its proximity to Iran and the regime’s heinous history, Israel may feel that it now has no choice but to take matters into its own hands, no matter how unattractive the consequences.
Charlie the middle east is very much a part of the multi chessboard game as well
Charlie it has it's own chessboards!
tudor now I am seeing the multi chessboards in play
tudor and it is dizzying
Charlie yes and we haven't even gotten into the deep weeds
tudor guess I need to get the cob webs out of my brain for all this to sink in lol
Charlie we will talk pipelines down the road as well
Charlie trust me i still have many too!
Charlie they grow back quickly
Sweets On this giant geo-political chessboard, is there any liklihood of WWIII
aj4now unfortunately......the cob webs come with little baby spiders that eat brain cells....but working on it
tudor good one aj lol
aj4now do they make Brain Raid ???? Just asking
tudor Sweets, good question for charlie
Charlie sweets you must be reading my cheatsheet
Charlie good one aj
Charlie painting the landscape takes time
Charlie but i will throw this out there...
Charlie the financial system is completely broken
Charlie there is an appearance of prosperity but the wealth has been sucked out of the system
Charlie the middle class is broke or going broke
tudor sure am
Charlie the lower class won't feel it until the govt cant pay their bills through entitlements
Sweets The middle class has shrunk!!!!
Charlie the truth is the elites are looking for war
tudor arent they rich enough
Charlie if you followed my rothschild story you will see how much money there is to be made in war
tudor war isnt worth it
Charlie individuals are not as profitable anymore because they are maxed out and the economy is going the wrong way
Charlie and accelerating in the wrong direction
Charlie ok so the doom gloomer is back
Charlie i can't change reality and what we are seeing today is totally unprecedented
Charlie all levels are intensely coiled
Charlie it is the highest and controls the other chessboards
Charlie so what we are seeing with Isis will serve as part of the theater
Charlie the question is whether or not the financial markets collapse first
Charlie market collapse will afford us opportunities
Charlie war will not
Charlie that's why we need to learn as much as we can about money
Charlie we have access to opportunities, maybe bigger that if there were no collapse
Sweets Learn about money - as in after RV????
Charlie a dinar rv is one of many rv's that can happen
Charlie this takes me to the 2nd question yesterday
tudor thank you charlie for explaining isis
Charlie tudor the isis question is good
b1955 Yes thank you Charlie
Charlie it's complicated
Sweets Yes, thank you, Charlie
Charlie it's a problem.
tudor a big problem
Charlie another scenario is that they actually take over iraq
aj4now and complicated
tudor dont like that option
Charlie and do something completely unexpected
Charlie keep the dinar and de-peg from the dollar
Charlie keeping the dinar in not what i expect but they could
Charlie de-pegging should be instantaneous though
Charlie de-pegging has to happen for the rv to happen
Charlie though other scenario is the collapse of the dollar and then de-pegging
Charlie the dinar is like a mouse running around a battlefield
Charlie it has no sides but it wants to survive
Charlie so all we can do is sit and wait on that
Charlie the 2nd question was jade's
Charlie If we have the money ... should we buy gold/silver now?
tudor and pray
Charlie i'm not an investment advisor so i can't advise
Charlie and pray - yes
Charlie but i can say that i would buy silver and gold as part of a hard assets portfolio
Charlie silver is more attractive to me
tudor cheaper too
Charlie because it ratio to gold is much higher than history dictates
Sweets I want both and a safe to keep them in.
Charlie yes it is cheaper but you can get small increments of gold too
tudor me too Sweets
Charlie the historical ration is 10-15 ounces of silver to one ounce of gold
Charlie is is currently 74 to 1
tudor oh my
tudor silver is a better buy then
tudor and easier to trade with if needed
Sweets Good point, Tudor
Charlie if the coil lets go, i think silver will go up proportionally higher than gold
tudor isnt it really low again, silver that is
Charlie right now, experts say that if gold is worth what it currently is then silver should be closer to $80
tudor oh my, think its around 15-16 now
Charlie those same experts believe that gold should be closer to $2500, some much higher
Charlie yes it is tudor
Charlie at $2500, silver should be around $200
tudor guess I best save up for some
Sweets Come on, RV; I want my portfolio to include precious metals!!!!
Charlie in the current environment, gold and silver prices are being suppressed
Charlie gold because it competes against the dollar as a reserve
tudor false lows
Charlie both have paper markets that are used to keep the prices down
Charlie silver has a derivative market that would implode if silver were to rise
Charlie in both cases, a major rise in price would result in something that generally does not happen, which is good delivery
Charlie good delivery is basically send me my bars
Charlie the truth is there are more claims on every bar of gold and silver than there is gold and silver
Charlie it's a financial game
Charlie bankers are like gamblers
tudor gold has been confiscated in the past, could they do that again
Charlie they bet on absolutely everything and they control it
Charlie yes they could, but like many back then, many won't turn it in
tudor hey RR
Sweets Isn't that called derivatives - betting on everything. Slow typer.
Roadrunner shhhh-- hi tudor
Charlie once at that point, i will protect my family's interest, not the corrupt govt or bankers
tudor agree charlie
tudor hide it lol
Charlie hi rr - yes derivatives are simply bets, usually a hedge to protect another investment
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