Today 08:10 AM
azareus - resolution 833, port issue is the last sanction right?
duck2000 - last sanction no... issue yes
duck2000 - lol
azareus - last issue to get out of chapter 7
duck2000 - untill kuwait creates new one yes
sassy - don't say that duck lol
azareus - is kuwait the ones that create resolutions, isn´t that UNSC?
duck2000 - didnt say kuwait created the sanctions just the issues \
azareus - they can´t have a tradable currency while under chapter 7 right?
duck2000 - no
azareus - wrong?
duck2000 - whos trading in dinar \its not on forex
azareus - just wondering
azareus - I read the chapter 7 and didn´t find anything about NOT able to have a tradable currency
duck2000 - then you missed it
duck2000 - its in article 41
azareus - can you show me the lines
azareus - just want to read it
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duck2000 Z - been down this raod 12 million times if you dont beleive me then i cant help
sassy Z - [b][i]you the man ducky
azareus Z - [b]I believe you
duck2000 Z - then why ask for the lines
azareus Z - [b]just the link to the lines
azareus Z - [b]wanna read it, if I read it wrong
azareus Z - [b]or didn´t understand it
azareus Z - [b]sorry for asking
azareus Z - [b]Article 41 The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.
charlaanne Z - Bottom line, Duck you think we MAY see something happening after troop withdrawl EOY or early next yr?
duck2000 Z - then you have it az
azareus Z - [b]I guess I don´t understand it
azareus Z - [b]where does it say anything about the currency
azareus Z - [b]is this a shortened version?
duck2000 Z - what do you think economic sanctions is?????????????????????????????
azareus Z - [b]is the the line "These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations "
duck2000 Z - The United Nations imposed stringent economic sanctions upon Iraq after the first Gulf War, and these were maintained partly as an attempt to make the Iraqi government co-operate with the UN weapons inspectors' monitoring of Iraq's weapons and weapons programs. These sanctions were unusually stringent in that very little in the way of trade goods were allowed into or out of Iraq during the sanction period (further information about these sanctions and their effects can be found at www.casi.org.uk and at ).
duck2000 Z - yes thats the line
azareus Z - [b]ok thanx
azareus Z - [b]I guess I didn´t understand it
azareus Z - [b]economic relations was the same as econimic sanctions
cooper Z - you're not the only one azareus
cooper Z - lol
duck2000 Z - All nations are obliged to freeze bank accounts and other financial instruments controlled by, or used for the benefit of, anyone on the list.
azareus Z - [b]so why is the port issue the last hurdle?
duck2000 Z - Definition of economic relations International Trade trade and finance interactions between countries the arrangements for cooperation in international trade, finance, and investment existing between individual countries and sets of countries
duck2000 Z - finance means da money
duck2000 Z - and if yoi interupte it what does dat mean ???
duck2000 Z - err.. you
duck2000 Z - so the unsc stopped all iraqs economic goings on
duck2000 Z - simple
azareus Z - [b]ok
duck2000 Z - dats the moeny ther dinar
duck2000 Z - DINAR
duck2000 Z - dinar
duck2000 Z - dinar
duck2000 Z - dinar
charlaanne Z - Thank you for this explination Duck, you are tooooo good!
duck2000 Z - now ya got it
azareus Z - [b]thanx
duck2000 Z - \now go back to where ever ya get your info and tell dem the same
azareus Z - [b]so article 41 is still in effect then and will be lifted when they resolve issue 833?
duck2000 Z - so long as we are in chapter7 we in sanctions
azareus Z - [b]just for my own info duck
duck2000 Z - chAPTER7 not gone peroid
azareus Z - [b]yes I know it is not gone, but did not understand what the port issue had to do with the currency
azareus Z - [b]now you explained it
duck2000 Z - does it have to do with kuwait
duck2000 Z - ???????
kristybis4 Z - [b]yes
duck2000 Z - was the sanctions done because of kuwait ????
kristybis4 Z - [b]yes
azareus Z - [b]issue 833 is with kuwait
duck2000 Z - then any issues that have to do with kuwait will not let kuwait agree to release dem from anctions
duck2000 Z - peroid
duck2000 Z - Recalling in this connection that through the demarcation process the Commission was not reallocating territory between Kuwait and Iraq, but it was simply carrying out the technical task necessary to demarcate for the first time the precise coordinates of the boundary set out in the "Agreed Minutes between the State of Kuwait and the Republic of Iraq regarding the Restoration of Friendly Relations, Recognition and Related Matters" signed by them on 4 October 1963, and that this task was carried out in the special circumstances following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) and the Secretary-General's report for implementing paragraph 3 of that resolution (S/22558),
duck2000 Z - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../unres833.html
duck2000 Z - Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,
duck2000 Z - now ya see da connection????
duck2000 Z - Source: The United Nations.
duck2000 Z - i dont just sit here nad make stuff up
kristybis4 Z - [b]no I know that
cooper Z - thats why we appreciate ya duck
charlaanne Z - duckeruuuuu
kristybis4 Z - [b]any idea how long they have postponed?
duck2000 Z - they have a deal between the two countries
kristybis4 Z - [b]lol cooper
charlaanne Z - whats da deal?
duck2000 Z - the details wont be given out in public ...so i wont either
charlaanne Z - hmmmm,.... I dont really care, just as long as its getting done! & it sounds like its in the works
cooper Z - oh comon duck - we won't tell anyone
duck2000 Z - 8)
duck2000 Z - i hate being told im wrong when others cant back up there b.s story
DIAMOND Z - [b]lol
kristybis4 Z - [b]so they got a deal going on...find that a positiv
duck2000 Z - now copy and paste az so we dont have to go down dis road again
charlaanne Z - Dont you also think when troops are REALLy gone that will b a big key to RV
duck2000 Z - no
kristybis4 Z - [b]I am just thankful for little bit of info...thanks duck
charlaanne Z - not a big deal for troops to go?
azareus Z - [b]duck2000 sorry for asking
cooper Z - I'd rather hear the truth than be told its gonna happen every other day!!!
kristybis4 Z - [b]agree cooper
jeannejtut Z - [b]me third!!!! lol
duck2000 Z - not as sorrry as i am ...
gmc Z - how come know one every asks me any questions
charlaanne Z - so if they got port stuff & no more Kuwaite issues arise (lol) RV anytime after that? troops or no troops?
gmc Z - no one
azareus Z - [b]833 should be the last hurdle for chapter 7 to be lifted
charlaanne Z - Ok, that could b sooner tht I have thought.....or later lol
cooper Z - lol char
cooper Z - who knows - right
Puzzler Z - I thought I was dreaming when I saw more than 2 people on here
kristybis4 Z - [b]I believe so az
cooper Z - lol puzzler - nice huh
duck2000 Z - was puzzled my self
azareus Z - [b]kristybis4 who knows?
Puzzler Z - yeah and hey duckie how you be
gmc Z - please refer all my questions to duck please
charlaanne Z - This is what I think.... as long as Kuwaite has Iraq over "a barrel" by keeping them in Ch 7, sanctions Iraq can't RV, so Kuwaite will keep them there as long as they can so they(kuwaite) can get everything out of them(iraq) as they possibly can. Once thay let them out of 7, it's over, they wont have anymore leverage.
cooper Z - sounds like a good assessment - but maybe the UN or some higher authority will step in and help
charlaanne Z - so..... right now it's PORT ISSUES, hopefully this is the last thing, but who knows
charlaanne Z - How many things have gotten done, that we thought would make RV possible, only to have another thing hold it back, its a power thing against Kuwaite against Iraq, They know they can get what they want as long as they keep them in 7, I dont think it will end, til UN, or some higher force, or some deal is brokered w/Kuwaite to make it worth there while & FORCE them to let Iraq out of 7
charlaanne Z - There word is worth NOTHING, everytime Iraq does what they (kuwaite) want, kuwaite demands something else, they will do that forever, as far as i am concerned, til someone steps in & cuts a better deal w/ Kuwaite