Hammerman CC 12-04-11 Mod Bobgetz6 from MIG, guest, Henry, Footforward and Bob.. posted by AJ33:3 from MIG (emailed to Dinar Recaps)
Recorded replay number: 712-432-0990 498750#
(we originally posted 488750, and believe this is incorrect)
7:02 PM [Precious] Hammerman apologizing ... talked to johhnywg..gracefully declined because he is under gag orders.
7:09 PM [Lauren305] hammerman a Little birdie whispered that the codes that are expiring about midnight tonight were given a one week extension. Only for additional time if needed.... codes will extend another week if needed..
7:10 PM [Lauren305] bank screens international dancing about a little bit. NY and canada banks. Don't know what it means, but it's all good
7:10 PM [Lauren305] just because codes extended another wk, doesn't mean we wait another wk, it's just a safety measure to cover themselves
7:11 PM [Lauren305] Even if waiting an extra 24 hours, that means codes are good.
7:12 PM [Lauren305] Recaps from last night's all, Maliki believed to be on US soil. Being quiet about it to keep him safe. Article in IQ about Maliki being at parliament on 12/11, after his return from USA
7:13 PM [Lauren305] Can't get into specific rates confirmed from the best sources from ME. Assumed they are tied to GBP. Lots going on but it's all possible. It's all positive. Even code extension is a positive thing, as they are making sure they dont have to go back and start over by keeping them from expiring.
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7:14 PM [Lauren305] Maliki, still in country, to be here on 5th and 6th, came in a little early
7:16 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman, concerned they are saying too much. He's sure that they have crossed no lines
7:17 PM [Lauren305] Footforward no new info. That's a good info. First time that info has been solid and stable for so long, this time since last Wed, so good news.
7:18 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman no new news. Can go into tomorrow morning or evening. Personally believes to see it before daylight on Monday. Strong possibility. Zero change in intel other than codes being extended. Not because another wk is needed, but to be safe...so codes do not expire.
7:20 PM [Lauren305] Rate, you alluded to again. for those not on last night's call....
7:20 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman hearing 5.72 40cents more or less, tied to pound
7:21 PM [Lauren305] Footforward hearing range of 8.50 usd, which is that 5.72 to gpb. believes it. too many sources with same info to be wrong. sources from ME, banking, solid sources.... best info available. if these sources don't know, no one does.
7:22 PM [Lauren305] Footforward with M being here, it being announced, what do you think abt that?
7:22 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman, he is here, arrived early, security issues, he came early
:23 PM [Lauren305] Footforward 3 day business hold on rate. M here. We had said things needed to be done prior to his arrival. Cant explain in detail, but you can catch my meaning
7:24 PM [Lauren305] HENRY/Dates, Tuesday, and what I gave you last week. Rates can't discuss. But what you said last night, that is right on. Maliki is here. also Kurdistan Alliance is here also. Blackout is 2 fold. Works both ways. No info in or out.
7:25 PM [Lauren305] HENRY/alias not a real name.
7:25 PM [Papa Bear] GPB is currently @ 1.5599 electronic.
7:26 PM [Lauren305] SanDiego/ missed start of call. Needs info. Always hearing it's gonna happen. Why do you believe this wk?
7:27 PM [Lauren305] FF/intel and info from cousins and contacts in iraq. Wanted to give folks like you a reason to hang on. His place there and his info, sure of them. Know where he is and his position and what he knows... (IOW, in a good place to know accurate info)
7:27 PM [AJ33:3] why is it going to be this week.. footforward says this source came out 2 weeks ago he said he wanted to give us hope to hold on....footforward knows this person and is so confident with this person... other people are coming out of the woodwork to share with us
7:28 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman don't think I've never said date/time. Dates of what I gave for in country stuff, pretty solid. Never dragged anybody on with dates and times and rates
7:29 PM [Lauren305] SanDiego/ sorry hadn't found Hammerman before. Been in a couple of years.
7:30[Lauren305] H/been aound couple of months. last night my first CC. been on others. FF this is his 2nd or 3rd call. Bob regular on this site (MIG CHAT PROPS) probably the most well known of all here. But we only give solid info
7:31 PM [Lauren305] hH/all info and intel from everyone, lines up to be the same as we are hearing and reporting
7:32 PM [Lauren305] SanDiego/ setting up to sell his dinar, heard last nights call, grateful.
7:33 PM [Lauren305] Austin Powers for PM. for FF/ posted on recaps that US govt wanted this pushed to end of year and Shabs said no, now. Is that true?
7:35 PM [Lauren305] FF/not just US govt. Yes , some folks, not just US Govt, but Shabs not only one. IMF also pushed it. Individuals involved, IMF said no,. Dont see it pushed to end of year. Govts cant survive.
7:35 PM [Lauren305] APfor PM/ are the individuals folks from Chicago, if you know what I mean?7:35 PM [Lauren305] FF/yes
7:35 PM [Lauren305] ?Is there going to be a deadline for cashin. Heard about 30-90 day windows.
7:37 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman said it once that there could be a limited time on 5 and 10K notes. Rumor since never confirmed. Getting rid of mine, just to be safe... But no deadline confrmed. IMO, heard rumor that 25K and 10K only honored for limited time, heard 2 yrs, also heard 30 days..
7:38 PM [Lauren305] Henry/there is no limit to time you can hold on to large dinar. Only time is the rate. Caller asks? Up and Down on rate? Henry/yes
7:38 PM [Lauren305] I heard Hammerman say a while back to cash out at bank as you cant go to dealers to catch out
7:39 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman/my personal belief, what I'm being told. they are going to hide it from CBi and Forex for first 4-14 days. Banks are only going to see it
7:40 PM [Lauren305] FF/have hard time believing, they can keep it quiet , but we will know within minutes of it being released if dealers don't know.
7:40 PM [Lauren305] blackout? what's that about? you getting info
7:40 PM [Lauren305] H/it is blacked out. but if you are talking to high up govt officials, they are not
7:42 PM [Lauren305] ?curious about new money, you just don't stick it in the bank. will you have seminars and road to riches with info on trusts and such
7:42 PM [Lauren305] H/some sites will give info. putting groups together. We are not gonna do that, not qualified. But we can point you in right direction to look for info you need post rv
7:43 PM [Lauren305] paula and hubby jim, having separate questions
7:45 PM [Lauren305] Appreciate opportunity to pose question. Concerned Tuesday, 12/6, sell date of home on courthouse steps. Concerned. 16 family members she wants to care for. If this is at all possible to cash in inAtlanta area to take one note into and get immediate funds
7:45 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman if this RVs before timeframe you are talking about. WF, chase, BoA, dealers in Atlanta, you will have to burn your phone trying to get the apptmt you need.
7:47 PM [Lauren305] Jim (husband) said not gonna lose house, honey, things in progress to stop that. Hammer she is very concerned, but we will make it
7:48 PM [Lauren305] FF/ If you are religious at all, see Tuesday's message from prophet kim Clements for people like you, mortgage, proclaim that over your house Proclaim what kim says to proclaim, do so tonight. and Your home will be safe. www.kimclement.com
7:49 PM [Lauren305] text came in telling Paula and Jim cashout at airport for immediate cash7:49 PM [Precious] Hammerman tell her she may have recision time to ask attorney7:50 PM [Lauren305] IM receeived, someone suggested they take dinar to foreclosure atny and they may help you based on that
7:52 PM [Lauren305] ?Where do think the rv is in the process IMF, BIS, where in approval process is it?
7:53 PM [Lauren305] H/all approval done. Siting in UST. Joint effort btwn UST BIS IMF to get it further in his opinion
7:54 PM [Lauren305] FF/no, I specifically stated not delayed another wk. the codes were extended as to make sure no expirations/lapses occurred that would delay. Whatever they need, 2 hrs, 24, 30, by having a wk, they are covered whatever the need
7:56 PM [Lauren305] Henry1407 Ross in NC/ on VND, what kind of rate can we expect? and where is Shabibi on this?7:56 PM [Lauren305] ?1407 Ross in NC/ on VND, what kind of rate can we expect? and where is Shabibi on this?
7:56 PM [Lauren305] Henry/ VND 3-7 cents
7:57 PM [Lauren305] Jim/Kansas when this happens and rates are out. will it be jumping hour to hour or sit at a number for a wk or a day?
7:58 PM [Lauren305] Bob/it's a static rate, will come out. If anything it will go up. you will have plenty of time to cash in. Wait for us to have opportunity to give you info on what we've learned
7:58 PM [Lauren305] FF/I said that. delays benefit us, as we are now looking at higher rate
7:59 PM [Lauren305] Patriia/The higher denoms, 25K and 10K, being called in ASAP, but heard rumor if you hold on it will be worth more, and even a 50K note being printed
8:00 PM [Lauren305] Bob? 25K note, always will be a 25K note, however long you keep it. Rate is the only thing that changes. You can take your time. All their currency is already printed. Even coins, Already in Iraq.
8:01 PM [Lauren305]Henry.. It's my opinion, but some things I cant verify things. (Oops guess that was Henry not bob)
8:02 PM [Lauren305] Grasshopa/ managed float, 2% every 90 days, you are going to want tosee what rateis.Bottom line is that it is Iraqs problems, doesn't matter how long it's been waiting.
8:03 PM [Lauren305] FootForward yes, it does matter, China with it's pacts tobail out EU.... it does affect it. Because Iraq is not calling the shots. They lost control of it to rest of the world
8:04 PM [Lauren305] Grasshopa/they are holding the purse. Why is it going to cost them more? the number is the number, we just wait on date.
8:04 PM [Lauren305] FF/PapaBear just chimed in. It's always based on economic value of commodities no matter what world says.
8:05 PM [Lauren305] G/not arguing that. They said could support even $13. But aticle said they brought out 50K note.
8:06 PM [Lauren305] G/Iraq holds the bag. Rest of the world is not their problem. They are saving the world. How is it their problems to save everyone because they are lacking.
8:07 PM [Lauren305] Henry/that is exatly why. Only way to have freedom from sanctions and Chapter 7, was to make pacts with these countries that forgave debts of Iraq, so rate has to sustain world economic system,
8:08 PM [Lauren305] FF/if they want to be a sovereign nation, to be ahead, they must RV at a rate acceptable to everyone, the world is holding them hostage, has keys to their shackles so to spea
8:09 PM [Lauren305] H/let's agree to disagree, and leave it at that. That is a great question that put us in deep thought
8:10 PM [Lauren305] Silvia/What abt people who are not getting trillions. maybe 7-10 million. guidelines put up is that also for those not getting trillios.
8:11 PM [Lauren305] FF/ go onto calls post Rv. Get informed. Dont rush. Sit relax, cup of coffee, smoke, whatever you need. Calm down. Get that one note to your bank then sit and go on to the rest of the calls
8:12 PM [Lauren305] Wasn't there an extension before this one, on the codes?
8:13 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman/ on these swift codes it hasn't been done before. There were other in past that were. these have not been done, been in play since thanksgivingish
8:14 PM [Lauren305] DonnaR/going to bank, cashing in just one note? what if you go in with lower note?
8:15 PM [Lauren305] H/go to bank and try, you never know.
8:15 PM [Lauren305] Per Bob/ if you have relationship with your banker, you can
8:15 PM [Lauren305] DonnaR, hubby has gone in and asked and was told they would take it at a chase bank in AL.
8:16 PM [Lauren305] Judy/was on another call. cashing in... if you have dinar for more than a yr, or less for tax reasons. How will they know if you have it a year or less. If you don't have receipt
8:17 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman bank, IMO, won't request a receipt. Dealers may ask for gift letter just so they know where it came from
8:17 PM [Lauren305] Bob/bank said, currency is currency, you are just doing an exhange.
8:18 PM [Lauren305] Bob/dealer may be best to have proof of your purchase, but banks will cash out anyone
8:18 PM [Lauren305] Stated on earlier call, as their opinion , that they will only see it at bank, so that will be the only option. So won't b e able to use dealers
8:20 PM [Lauren305] Henry/UsT will give dealers their go rate. That is a special thing, whether they will have probably a 4 day hold just to get ready for cash out.
8:20 PM [Lauren305] Caller/ some dealers connected to CBI, why would they cut off the dealers?
8:20 PM [Lauren305] Henryit's not the CBI that directs what is done on US soil, that is the UST.
8:21 PM [Lauren305] ?Why can't CBI give rate to dealer?8:22 PM [Lauren305] Henry/ talking abt US dealers. They may say they give CBI rates, but don't be concerned. We are working with some banks that will give CBI rate plus... so that would be better.
8:22 PM [Lauren305] ?asking abt spreads for KWD, and if going to have the same here with IQD.
8:22 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman/dealers make their $$ somehow. they won't do it for free
8:24 PM [Lauren305] H/also they say they will fly to your city and cash you in if you have more than X amt. do you think they can do that, fyl to where you are, and just make $150? think abt it. You can negotiate with banks and even come out better
8:24 PM [Lauren305] Bob search. Check your options., you will have a lot to choose from
8:25 PM [Lauren305] ? Glen Beck on Dinar, that on Monday he willsay something and more folks will go out... and buy8:26 PM [Lauren305] Ff/he is not a moron, and isn't going to do anything that hurts the people. and at the time his show comes on, it may be too late
8:26 PM [Lauren305] Footforward says he (glenn Beck) is not a moron, and isn't going to do a
8:26 PM [Lauren305] He (Glen Beck) didn't announce it on Friday for a reason.... so he is not an idiot.
8:27 PM [Lauren305] Saw on recaps that folks that went to his bk signing in Tyler and another person also, and when they asked him, he is said to have said Yes, to it being about dinar
8:28 PM [Lauren305] ?In case dealers are given 4 day hold. for those w reserves and expire during those days of hold. will they be held to honoring the reserves
8:28 PM [Lauren305] H/imo, they can do as they please. I have doubts on some of this stuff
.8:28 PM [Lauren305] do you have worries abt it?8:29 PM [Lauren305] H/personally feel they may tapdance if they want to. don't trust them on that.
8:29 PM [Lauren305] H/personally feel they may tapdance if they want to. don't trust them on that.
8:30 PM [Lauren305] FF/once it RVs if you have 10 days to pay off the reserve, they have to honor that. what Hammerman means is that if expires you may lose it...
8:31 PM [Lauren305] What they advertise/ it is not regulated. Very minimally regulated. suggest you take screen shot of current policy and do what you can legally to back you up. papa Bear sent in a text/im abt that.
8:32 PM [Lauren305] ?if pegged to gbp, we've been figuring abt 1.6....
8:32 PM [Lauren305] H/GBP is about 1.55 or something like that. comparison to payout between banks/dealers, just wait it out...
8:33 PM [Lauren305] Henry/dealers will know the activation of the banks. They won't have a release to sell themselves, but they will lock their system and stop seling dinar at that time, so they do know the rate....
8:34 PM [Lauren305] ? tax rate on cash in of 1.5% (IMF) or flat tax...
8:34 PM [Lauren305] Henry/can't give tax advise on this. Can't give info on that. the rumor of 1.5%, no confirmation so have to wait till post RV to know anything quite frankly
8:36 PM [Lauren305] 7477/Is there going to be big news on this RV? maybe on news report?
8:36 PM [Lauren305] FF/no, you will see clues, subtle ones, on EU bailout, etc... even shocked if Beck can come out and say anything.
8:36 PM [Lauren305] ?How will we know?
8:37 PM [Lauren305] You will walk in, the first few days, you won't be able to know from the tellers not common knowledge, you will deal with branch manangers or higher. stay on boards and find out here
8:37 PM [Lauren305] ?jonnywg said no more backdoors... do you agree?
8:38 PM [Lauren305] FF/timelines we've given, if just a few hours extra beyond what we've thought so far, no reason to freak out. Even if not seen by Wed, no need to worry
8:39 PM [Lauren305] HammermanI'd say, don't worry unless it gets to next Monday and you don't see it. I don't think it will...
8:40 PM [Lauren305] FF/my info has not changed since Wed. Was told to see it by Thurs night. By Thursday morning it started to line up in that timelne I had. We are not seeing door shut or slammed. Maybe small things. but all being worked out. My
8:41 PM [Lauren305] opinion will be this wk. all you will see is M maybe treaty in public or something like that, may be all ou see and it will be abt that (?)
8:43 PM [Lauren305] Currency counter can usually cash in if they see a rate. If at airport, they can definitely handle that for you.8:43 PM [Lauren305] Find the richest person you knw and find out who they deal with. That's just your best bet.
8:44 PM [Lauren305]Hammerman I do't tell anyone to buy or not. That get us in trouble. If you do buy, don't spend $$ you don't have . just what you can safely afford.
8:45 PM [Lauren305] 3823/Bob thanks for your call and putting it together. It's psycho in CostaRica. Sounds like dealers will have different rate than banks is that true
8:46 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman/Dealers and banks will have different rates. negotiate. get what works best for you. depends on what your negotiating skills allows you to get out of it.
8:47 PM [Lauren305] 1225/for Henry/you mention flags gave control to iraq. do you still feel that way? is this RV based on them making a move, or have there been glitches/
8:48 PM [Lauren305] henry/release of RV is release from Chpter 7. That is a big clue. If you hear something abt that. maybe even that you will see that multiple countries have revalued their currency and aided world economy. That may be all you see. so if you see Iraq is out of C7, that's a clue that it did RV
8:49 PM [Lauren305] Are you guys sure this is it? Some call it without calling it. How do we know now is it/
8:50 PM [Lauren305] Footforward/my source, acquired 2 wks ago, if I said who it was you'd fall out of your chair. 2 wks ago, it was not at point of no return. Now it is
8:50 PM [Lauren305]FF I am willing to stake my rep on what I am saying right now.
8:52 PM [Lauren305] 4215/the first 30 mins of call I missed it. will it be recorded and where is the playback number, 712 432 0990 same pin, and posted everywhere transcribed
8:52 PM [Lauren305] 4215/if all you have is 25k notes, can I exhange them in banks or dealers, or will that only be for certain number of days?
8:53 PM [Lauren305] FF/no, you will have 2-3 yrs, per henry, 8:53 PM [Lauren305] H/imo, that is why I said that.
8:53 PM [Lauren305] FF/henry said it best. dinar is dinar is dinar. you don't have to change for smaller denoms just to hold it.
8:54 PM [Lauren305] 5757/lady asked abt a 50 note?8:54 PM [Lauren305] H/there is a 50 note now, she was talking abt 50K note.
8:55 PM [Lauren305] kdes dinar yeah, but he said he was asking abt lady who asked abt a 50 note...
8:56 PM [Lauren305] FF/dinar is dinar is dinar til kingdom come. so no problem
8:56 PM [Lauren305] ?knoby again.. wanted to support what they said to gentlemen abt 86cents. Shabibi said strongest in ME, so, 86cents won't do that.
8:57 PM [Lauren305] Hammerman/grasshopa and I shooks hands on phone (to agree to disagree) on it, but they can't be at 86cents and meet the budget
8:57 PM [Lauren305] budget calls for 3.41 minimum.
8:58 PM [Lauren305] last question 0890/what convinced you guys this was a wise investment? what were yu told or see that made you do it?
8:58 PM [Lauren305] H/I'm a gambler. spend a few hundred, make thousands. I am gonna gamble on it
8:59 PM [Lauren305] FF/several things. Babylon will come back and that is Iraq and tied to prior knowledge, knew it had to happen, and put pieces together
8:59 PM [Lauren305] Bob/(?) anything you can spend $ on and make 75% on return, I am in
9:00 PM [Lauren305] FF/we are quite adamant abt where we sit right now.
9:01 PM [AJ33:3] Hammerman thanks everyone... PTR 3 intesl, MIG, planet dinar, GET, you can find footforward you can find him at 3's site, Bob at MIG, Henry can not say..
9:02 PM [Lauren305] We've covered just about everything. 2 hours. Thanks for people in chat, and all the chats, OOM, MIG, PTR, anyone else . Bob at MIG, I am at Planet Dinar. You can reach me at XXXXXX.@gmail.com. don't put that in MIG room
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9:13 PM [UFG] Recap Hammerman/ Bobgetz, FootForward and Henry call main points, we will see this tonight/Monday, codes have been extended for a week (arbitrarily to make sure that no problems arise from the coding process) but absolutely does NOT mean a delay for a week, just precaution. Rate is 5.72 plus or minus 40 cents pegged to the GBP most probably but not guaranteed, or Henry has heard $8.50 USD. Maliki is still in US soil and so is Kurdistan group. May see in banks first and may delay to dealers for 4 plus days for them to get ready. Should banks see it first UST will stop the dealers from selling and lock in your reserves as per Henry. Please only cash in a small amount first until you hear more info on the chats for better deals and banking packages. Henry also is saying no limit to cash out large notes, no need to rush to banks. Hammer feels he will cash out within 30 days if rate is good. Rate still could go up and BOB says it could fluctuate with market conditions. UST, IMF and BIS all have to pull trigger at once for it to activate.