[Jester] HI EVERYONE... JUST THOUGHT I'D PEEK IN AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING...
[Betsy Ross] Jester well everyone has been very quiet tonight
[Jester] Betsy Ross JUST READ THE NEWS... IT'S ALL THERE...
[Betsy Ross] Jester This is all I saw today. SWIFT: 'No authority' to suspend Russia, Israel from intl payments over sanctions http://rt.com/business/193464-no-authority-swift-russia-israel/
[Jester] Betsy Ross YEAH THAT WAS A GOOD ONE... BUT JUST IN CASE RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE WORKING ON THEIR OWN SYSTEM TOO.
[Jester] Russia, China in talks to make alternative to SWIFT — deputy PM
[Jester] BEIJING, September 10. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia and China are discussing setting up a system of interbank transactions which will become an analogue to International banking transaction system SWIFT, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov told PRIME on Wednesday after negotiations in Beijing. “Yes, we have discussed and we have approved this idea,” he said.
[Jester] Russian authorities wanted to decrease the financial market’s dependence on SWIFT since the introduction of the first U.S. sanctions, when international payment systems Visa and MasterCard denied services to some Russian banks owned by blacklisted individuals. +
[Jester] According to Shuvalov, Russia has been also discussing establishment of an independent ratings agency with China. Concrete proposals will be made by the end of 2014, he said.
[Jester] UT OH...
[Jester] As regards China’s payment system UnionPay cooperation with the yet-to-be-established Russian national payment system, Shuvalov said that UnionPay is ready for a full-scale collaboration and will provide all infrastructural capacities for that.
[Jester] IF YOU LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE RUSSIANS ARE SAYING THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO LOOK... http://en.itar-tass.com
[Jester] THERE IS A TON OF INFO OUT THERE... SINCE NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS I WILL DROP A FEW THINGS OF INTEREST... TO ME ANYWAY...
[DiddyKong] I read an interesting article that I want to share with you all today.
[DiddyKong] Obama Threatens More Sanctions Against Zimbabwe Over Russian-Platinum Deal –
[DiddyKong] Let me identify some people before diving into the article. Nathaniel Manheru is a columnist for the Herald who is thought to be Mugabe's spokesman.
[DiddyKong] Robert Gabriel Mugabe is a Zimbabwean revolutionary and politician who is the President of Zimbabwe.
[DiddyKong] Martin Armstrong is well studied in computing process and economics (gold and silver specifically). Information on him can be found here
[DiddyKong] Now for the article:
[SoldierofChrist] DiddyKong wow what a great story crazy the comment he makes at the end about this is the same way athens fell
[DiddyKong] that is exactly what I wanted to get to
[DiddyKong] The United States has reportedly warned Zimbabwe about its growing economic dealings with Russia after Harare recently sealed an agreement with Moscow for a US$3billion platinum mine.
[DiddyKong] The US imposed sanctions against Zimbabwe in 2003, accusing Mugabe of human rights abuses and electoral fraud. Harare denies the allegations, insisting the sanctions were meant to punish the country's land reforms.
[DiddyKong] Obama's administration has ignored calls by Mugabe to remove the sanctions which the veteran leader blames for bringing Zimbabwe's economy to its knees. Manheru said it was ridiculous for the US to refuse to lift sanctions against Harare and then demand support for its measures against Moscow.
[DiddyKong] He wrote: "America then invites sanctioned Zimbabwe to support sanctions against Russia, itself a bird of the same feather! "Oh America! "This is where I am tempted to tell the American government to go and hang, hang on a banana tree, bums up."
[DiddyKong] As Martin Armstrong concludes, (http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/10/06/obama-is-out-of-control/)
[DiddyKong] The United States is wagging its finger at Zimbabwe, threatening to ratchet up sanctions over a plan to develop a platinum mine involving Russian and Zimbabwean companies. Obama is attempting to impose his own rule of law over the entire world – my way or highway. He has no such constitutional authority and this is the guy who misses most of his daily briefings as Fox News reported, and countless others.
[DiddyKong] I am not kidding. This is precisely how Athens fells. It dictated to all its allies and one by one they turned against Athens and joined Sparta. Sparta was a virtual communist state and Athens was a state in a battle swinging back and forth between oligarchs and democracy.
[SoldierofChrist] DiddyKong I just think its crazy how he started his first 4years trying to make peace with the World and now he is creating havoc not to mention enemies
[DiddyKong] SoldierofChrist like seriously lol. If it wasn't not apparent before to Americans that this "shift" away from western control is happening, well there ya go. And its pretty blunt
[SoldierofChrist] DiddyKong the evidence is in plain sight people just have to open their eyes wide open lol
[SoldierofChrist] DiddyKong without a doubt they are in that circle
[SoldierofChrist] DiddyKong next month is going to be very telling for us in what direction we are headed
[DiddyKong] SoldierofChrist we shall see
[Jester] THIS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE DK POST... OTHERS THAT ARE LOOKING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION LETS CALL IT....
[Jester] HERE WE GO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME... I WILL DUMP FAST...
[Jester] Putin-Abe meet likely during APEC summit
[Jester] Days after imposing new sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he could hold bilateral talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum) summit in Beijing in November.
[Jester] The two leaders are expected to discuss bilateral and international cooperation, including a peace treaty and economic collaboration.
[Jester] Abe is struggling to maintain a balancing act as he tries to consolidate ties with Putin while toeing the Group of Seven (G7) line on Russian sanctions. Putin had spoken to the Japanese Premier on his 60th birthday last month, said a Kremlin statement.
[Jester] Since taking office in December 2012 Abe has met with Putin five times, including during Russia’s opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in Sochi earlier this year.
[Jester] HAS O EVEN TALKED TO PUTIN THAT MANY TIMES AT ALL? NOT SURE... BUT I DIGRESS...
[Jester] Abe is also eyeing more natural gas imports from Russia following Japan’s shutdown of its nuclear power plants after the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster.
[Jester] INTERESTING... SOMEONE NUKES FUKUSHIMA AND I THINK THEY KNOW WHO...
[Jester] NOW THEY SEEM TO BE SITTING ON THE FENCE BUT I BET THE DECISION IS ALREADY MADE...
[Jester] THERE IS MORE BUT THAT IS THE GIST OF THE ARTICLE... READ THE REST HERE...
[LuckyB] China and Japan will or have already sided with Russia
[Jester] Vietnam to join Moscow-led Customs Union bloc: Reports
[Jester] Russian officials are speeding up negotiations for Vietnam to join the Moscow-led Customs Union bloc, officials said on Monday. The inclusion of Vietnam in the group would reinforce President Putin’s drive to show Russia will not be isolated by Western sanctions.
[Jester] The two countries will boost bilateral trade revenue to $7 billion in 2015 and $10 billion in 2020, said Doan Duy Khuong, vice chairman of Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VCCI), on Monday. The two sides are also beefing up efforts to conclude negotiations on a free trade agreement, said the official at a Vietnam-Russia business forum held in Hanoi.
[Jester] READ THAT AGAIN... FREE TRADE AGREEMENT... YIKES!!!!!
[Jester] Russia expects Vietnam to soon join the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia as negotiations on the free trade agreement between the union and Vietnam is yielding much progress, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in April this year.
[Jester] “Russia attaches great importance to the traditional friendly relations with Vietnam and highlights the increasing role of Vietnam in the Asia-Pacific. Russia and Vietnam have the same viewpoints over many regional and international issues. Russia supports Vietnam’s active role in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) as well as ASEAN’s role in establishing a new regional architecture,” said Lavrov.
[Jester] In May this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin welcomed Kazakhstan and Belarus into a new Eurasian Economic Union, with a market of 170 million people, a combined annual GDP of $2.7 trillion and vast energy riches.
[LuckyB] FTA with out the NA
[Jester] THE WHAT? HOLD THAT THOUGHT... COMING UP NEXT... THE REST OF THAT ARTICLE IS HERE...
[Jester] OH BY THE WAY... IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING... The Customs Union guarantees the free transit of goods, services, capital and workforces and coordinates policy for major economic sectors.
[DiddyKong] Jester OMG!!! I have been waiting for Japan to say something along these lines unlike the whole "USD rising and the US as the savior of EU regarding Russian sactions" nonsense the MSM would have us to believe. I think that is evidence of Japan questioning the financial stregth, stability, and support mechanisms of the US.
[SoldierofChrist] Jester WOW
[Jester] DiddyKong NO KIDDING... I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE THIS STUFF...
[DiddyKong] Jester yeah
[Jester] NOW... A COUPLE MORE TO GO.. GOTTA BE QUICK...
[pokerbrat] Is that why Japan is getting Hurricanes
[Jester] The West’s puerile rally against Russian alliances
[Jester] The treaty uniting Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan in the new organization Eurasian Economic Union (EaEU) will create a common market for 171 million people. Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have also expressed interest in joining. That would bring it to a total of 217 million.
[Jester] I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS ONE... GLAD TO HAVE FOUND THIS INFO EARLIER...
[Jester] There’s lots of talk in the EU and the US that this is Putin’s answer to the crisis in Ukraine, another proof of his devious lust for power, of his desire for a new Soviet style empire. His annexation of Crimea has shown to the world what a dangerous despot he is. This EaEU is his next step. We’d better be prepared to stop him in his tracks, right now.
[Jester] Is this indeed Putin’s answer to the EU? Talk about a ‘leading’ question. There is so much wrong in framing the matter like this that I would not know where to start within the boundaries of this one article. I’ll stick to some brief remarks.
[Jester] I SAY WHY NOT... ISN'T THAT WHAT NATO IS? JUST SAYING...
[Jester] Why does everything in the world have to be an ‘answer’ to the EU, the US or its allies? Eurocentrism and American ‘hubris’ (the extension of former colonial European hubris) is one of many reasons why western media frame the matter this way. The idea that other countries, regions, economies might have their own agenda, their own interests, their own vision on the world independent from ‘us’ is unfathomable for most Europeans. It just cannot be. Seriously, Russia has a lot of reasons to do what it does, dealing with the EU is just one of them.
[Jester] NOW THAT WHOLE STATEMENT RIGHT THERE IS FRICKING HUGE... AND IT IS THE HEART OF THE MATTER WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW... THEY ARE SICK OF US...
[Jester] THIS WILL TICK SOME OFF BUT I STILL BELIEVE THERE IS SOME VALIDITY TO IT...
[Jester] There is also an elephant in the room that one is not supposed to see, let alone mention. It’s racism. Anti-Russian racism in the EU and the US in recent months is nothing new.
[Jester] Whatever one may think of the extinct Soviet Union, it was not its lack of democracy or freedom that caused western hostility. Just look at the long list of dictatorships supported by the West during (and after) the Cold War. The Cold War was a standoff between different economic systems. Europe, the ‘First World’, has never forgiven Russia for stepping out of its traditional role of a subservient Third World country. A few weeks back, I heard a self-declared expert on Russia declare that Ukraine is ‘the battlefield of civilisation against barbarism from the East’.
[Jester] Most European analysts wouldn’t put it in such crass terms. It does however come down to this. How dare ‘the Russians’ think they have a say in things? Don’t they know that we own the world, their part of it included?
[Jester] Putting prejudice aside, the EaEU is indeed an answer to the EU, as it is an answer to many other things. Any initiative like this, be it the EU itself, the OAS, the UN, NAFTA, was ‘an answer’ to something, to the problems and challenges that countries faced at a certain moment in their history.
Why would sovereign nations not have this right to forge economic cooperation in the manner that they see fit? And why would such an initiative by definition be hostile to other similar initiatives? The EaEU might just as well be taken as proof of the good example of the EU.
[Jester] No single initiative like this has ever come to be on the spur of the moment, as an immediate reaction to pressing political crises. The idea for the EaEU goes back to 1994, 20 years ago, when Russia was considered a mostly harmless and defeated ally. The idea was never opposed by the EU at the time (not openly at least). It took years to prepare and will probably take many more to have a real and lasting impact.
[Jester] REMEMBER THAT THE EAST THINKS LONG TERM... SOMETHING OUR SILLY LEADERS ARE INCAPABLE OF...
[Jester] There are of course some critical remarks to be made here. Unlike the EU, the EaEU is not a gathering of countries of similar size and power. In its present form, Russia stands for 85 per cent of its population. However, both the presidents of Kazakhstan and Belarus have proven to be tough negotiators and Belarus recently stated it does not see membership as an impediment for good economic relations with the West.
[Jester] AND HERE IS THE KICKER...
[Jester] This deal was negotiated, not enforced.
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