_Mailman17 & others chatting 1-21-12 @ 8:21am cdt
OK I have a ?
Is it possible that they are extending the reading and voting on the budget because it does contain the rate and it goes into effect as soon as it is passed?
mailman17: BB...NO I DONT THINK SO
guardian: that crossed my mine Brewbaby also
mailman17: ITS THE THINGS THAT MUST HAPPEN ALONGSIDE THE BUDGET
Brewbaby: ok so why are we so concerned about the new rate being in the budget?
GOP: that is certainly what we would like it to be BB
mailman17: RATES DONE IMO
guardian: Jubouri asked that it be put into the budget
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_ Brewbaby: no, I understand that, but if the budget passes with the new rate, they would have to RV so the finances would be right,
AS IT SHOULD BE
AND ALL EXISTING AND PRIOR SLATES MUST BE WIPED CLEAN
guardian: they could hardly hide the fact their is a new rate once the budget is passed imo
mailman17: AGAIN CORRECT
right, that is what I am talking about, they cannot pass the budget or vote on it and pass it if they are not going to extend the rate to us, right?
so, if they finish reading it on Monday, they could vote on it on Thursday
mailman17: NOT ONLY TO US BUT TO ANYTHING EXISTING AND OR WAITING WITH NUMBERS TO BE ADJUSTED TO THE NEW RATE
guardian: which of these are required: taxes, tariffs, HCL, Erbil, CH 7 before they can RV? did i leave anything out?
mailman17: I DONT THINK IT WILL WAIT THAT LONG...JMO
guardian: i know taxes and tariffs, but what about the others?
Brewbaby: you do not think it will wait till Thursday to vote on it?
I DONT...BUT IF IT DOES THATS FINE
Brewbaby: since they have gone electronic, that should be a no brainer now
guardian: do we still think HCL, Erbil, CH 7 are not required?
mailman17: REMEMBER...ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS WERE PUT IN PLACE SOME TIME AGO..BOTH AT THE CBI THE ISX AND BANKS UNDER THE CBI
guardian: i do, i want it done soon
Brewbaby: but they still have to go to Article VIII right?
SANCTIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RV
Brewbaby: ok, now I am lost
stlou: I do see a discussion and reading on training monetary centers and trade bank of iraq
Brewbaby: I thought Med said that the GOI had to accept Article VIII
guardian: med said Article VIII required if i read him right
thought they had to move to art viii to be international?
bam bam bam
mailman17: LOTS OF THINGS WOULD BE NICE FOR IRAQ TO BE IN PLACE ICLUDING 8
stlou: but I in concurrance with you MM17..there are some other things that must happen ..
stlou: funny though..
Brewbaby: ok, mm17 1 by 1 list what you think has to happen for this to come down, please
mailman17: IRAQS REMAINING SANCTIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADE OR THE CBI
stlou: it seems that they read right to left, so maybe they put the cart before the horse on this one
mailman17: I THINK SO TO LOU
guardian: the sooner the better imo
stlou: maybe the budget, then the tax structure
OR OPPOSITE OR TOGETHER
HENCE THE DELAY
Brewbaby: maybe the budget includes the taxes and tariffs
mailman17: BB...YOU STILL CONFUSED?
I THINK ITS ALSONGSIDE IT BB
Brewbaby: so, why would Shabs want them out of Chapter VII if they do not need to be?
mailman17: LOTS OF COUTRIES UNDER SANCTIONS STILL HAVE A TRADEABLE CURRENCY
guardian: article said taxes already passed, just need to reactivate them
mailman17: BB...THAT IS THE 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
Brewbaby: ok, so we know they have forgiven debt to the people
mailman17: WHY...AFTER ALL THIS TIME IS SHABS WORRIED ABOUT 7
Brewbaby: we know they have taxes and tariffs ready
Brewbaby: we know the new rate should be in the budget
'GETING OUT OF 7 REQUIRES DEBT RESOLVE
AND DEBT RESOLVE MEANS WHAT?
guardian: Shabs has been paying debt, maybe he hopes it's enough to remove them from CH7
IRAQ GIVING WHAT TO WHO?
IRAQ PAYING OFF THEIR DEBT OR AT LEAST THAT WHICH IS SETTLED
THEY NO LONGER HAVE UAE TO WORRY ABOUT...THATS 5.8 BIL
Brewbaby: we know that there is still political unrest, no jobs, no water, no electricity, so how is this all coming together, unless they RV
mailman17: KUWAITS NO LONGER AN ISSUE
and get the butts moving
also don't they have to have an int'l currency to ascend to the WTO?
GOP: was it Jordon?? my mind it a bit blank?
mailman17: BERY LIKELY THE MUST ALSO FINISH UP WHATS LEFT OF AGREEMENTS WITH THE PARIS CLUB ALONGSIDE WHOS LEFT OUTSIDE THE PARIS CLUB
W8n2cashin: Saudi too i believe
GOP: someone was pushing to get paid
BB...WTO IS READY
IRAQ WILL JOIN AS PLANNED
stlou: but it would be easier to pay off debt with a higher rate, no?
mailman17: THEY ARE TEMP MEMBERS RIGHT NOW
mailman17: DEBT COULD BE IN THE BUDGET AS WELL...
Brewbaby: I thought that they finished up the other debts with bond issues
stlou: maybe MM
MOST DEBT YES
BUT AS DEBT IS CHANGING...SO DOES THE BUDGET
stlou: but when they list out the items to vote on, some of them list like 5 items, 7 items..
mailman17: AND THATS
Brewbaby: so really with everything that has come to pass, Jordan is the only one left to appease
stlou: so that is possible
mailman17: WHAT I THINK TEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT...THE GRAND TOTAL
ok ? Can Shabs RV with all the political unrest, or WILL HE?
stlou: ahh..the 64.00 question
mailman17: BB...POLIITICAL UNREST IS DWINDLING
Brewbaby: and it looks like Hashemi has been thrown under the proverbial political bus....bump bump
mailman17: ITS NOT AS BAD AS BEFORE
stlou: he has an enormous responsibility
guardian: they only owe jordan 120 million
mailman17: I SAID AWHILE BACK...THEY WILL DUCT TAPE THEIR WOUNDS FOR NOW
Brewbaby: someone needs to duct tape Malikis mouth
BB...YES SHABS CAN RV
Brewbaby: but will he, that is the ???
REMEMBER...THIS IS A GAME AND A PUZZLE.....WITH PIECES CHANGING EVERY MINUTE
YOU CAN ONLY STARE AT THAT LAST PIECE TILL YOU FINALLY PUT IT IN AND COMPLETE THE PUZZLE
Brewbaby: but mm17 even a puzzle has a border to contain the pieces
thats the budget bb
all the pieces need to be out in place
mailman17: TRUE...THAT BORDERS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME...ITS THE FILLING IN THAT WAS FRUSTRATING
the budget is the puzzle..
it contains many pieces..
mailman17: CORRECT LOU
Brewbaby: I hear you guys, but I think Monday will come and go and they will put it off again
stlou: but once put together..the picture becomes much clearer
Brewbaby: just MO
stlou: i don't think they're putting it off brew..
Brewbaby: I think they are scared and do not really know what to do and Shabs has his hands full
mailman17: WITH A NEW RATE...THE MINISTRIES NOW HAVE NOT ONLY THE MONIES ALLOCATED...BUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENT TO WORRY ABOUT
guardian: with inflation is rising again may force this
stlou: just being very thorough in understanding the gravity of this vote
I am not trying to be a downer, but they can come up with more BS as to why something doesn't get done, more than the man in the moon
So, we basically wait for Monday and see if they do their jobs
and it also could be a stall to give shabs time to complete phase II
that has been on my mind for awhile now
Brewbaby: or if they have a quorum, with Hashemi being turned over to Bagdad, I think things will be stirred up again
stlou: unless there is compelling evidence against him..
Brewbaby: well, according to the posted article, there is like 30 witness statements now, including something from Petraus
mailman17: CORRECT LOU AND YES BB..WE WAIT...BUT LOOK AT EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE PUZZLE THAT IS FINALLY NOW GETING INTO THAT BORDER...THESE PIECES FIT PERFECT
Brewbaby: I agree mm17, I am just being overly cautious, because these jerks never do anything when they are supposed to
mailman17: BB...I HAVE A ? FOR YOU...READY?
Brewbaby: oh h*ll no
stlou: my guess is that we watch the progress of phase II, and see if it coincides with the budget voting progress
Brewbaby: go ahead, only fair since I asked so many of you
stlou: Question 1: what is your name?
Brewbaby: won't guarantee an answer
stlou: 10 seconds
mailman17: IF THERE IS SO MUCH POLITICAL UNREST AND UNCERTAINTY IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW...WHY WOULD THE UAE FORBIVE DEBT THAT HAS BEEN OUTSTANDIN FOR 8 YEARS?....WHY NOW?
Mr Kotter...OH OH OH!!!!!
Brewbaby: Well, that has puzzled me, because they said they would not forgive
mailman17: BB...THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING?
Brewbaby but they probably had too for the ascension of Iraq to the WTO
guardian: it was stated that the UAE is Iraq's biggest investor, they want something
Brewbaby: yeah their oil
mailman17: CORRECT GUARDIAN...KEEP GOING
guardian: o i l imo
Brewbaby: gold, gas, etc...........
mailman17: BUT WHY NOW?...WHY NOT 3 MONTHS FROM NOW?
Brewbaby: cause they don't want Iran to get it............:P
mailman17: NO...COME ON YOU KNOW THE ANSWER
guardian: to help their iraq investment
mailman17: WHICH IS WHERE RIGHT NOW?
38CABO: uae is looking for stability in the area
guardian: move it along faster
mailman17: UAE IS NOW READY TO ENTER IRAQ...AND THEY KNOW ITS ANY DAY
guardian: bingo imo
Brewbaby: if they are the biggest investor, aren't they already in Iraq?
mailman17: JORDANS LITTLE DEBT IS NP...BUT STILL REWUIRED TO BE RESOLVED FOR 7
Brewbaby: now they just want to get their profits out of it, right
COULD BE...OR TO INVEST EVEN MORE
ARABS ARE GREEDY...BUT SMART
guardian: iraq is "sovereign" now, so they are making their move
guardian: troops are gone
Brewbaby: well, they ought to sit down with Maliki and give him an offer he can't refuse so the people of Iraq can live like the people of the UAE
38CABO: imo this is not about the now ... its long term deals they are looking for
38 you have something there
mailman17: I TRULY THINK YOU WILL SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF MALIKI YOU HAVENT SEEN BEFORE....COOPERATIVE
stlou: they know the potential of making additional money..
38CABO: thet have enough for now
mailman17: 39 GOOD ANSWER
stlou: you see we tend to forget one very important thing
Brewbaby: I hope you are right mm17, because he has so many faces you never know which one is looking at you or which one is talking]
mailman17: AND ONE OF MANY THAT PROFIT OUTSIDE INTERESTS
guardian: the arab countries are running out of oil
mailman17: BB..HOPE I AM RIGHT?
stlou: Iraq has not reached it's full potential on oil production..
38CABO: and that will help to create stability for the area
mailman17: JUST KIDDING
stlou: Saddam kept them in the dark ages, so to speak
Brewbaby: well, Maliki is doing a pretty good job of that too
38CABO: and they can get involved in things other than oil
stlou: so this "unexpected oil" find a few days ago sends out a signal for all foreign investors that there's gold in them thar hills
guardian: more then anyone can imagine
Brewbaby: the UAE needs to get in there and help them get the country to be prosperous again, I am ok on that, but when did the phase II start, and how long will we have to wait, the whole 6 months?
stlou: and they will forgive the small amount because they see the overall potential of their investment
mailman17: EXACTLY LOU...UNEXSPECTED THOUGH?...ME THINKS THEY KNEW ABOUT IT ALL ALONG...LOL
38CABO: banking and investment come to mind along with agriculture and exports
mailman17: ALONDSIDE MANY MORE INEXSPECTED FINDS...LOL
stlou: and I would expect more "finds" in the future
38CABO: btw is today a postal holiday ??
mailman17: LOU...FIELD BB QUESTION...GOTTA SNOW BLOW....TRY TO PUT HER MIND AT EASE FOR ME....LOL
mailman17: NOT CHICKEN.....JUST GONNA LET LOU HANDLE THIS ONE....LOL
Brewbaby: any old excuse in a storm
stlou: wait..I walked away for a minute..where is it?
mailman17: PHASE 2 IN IN THE FORUMS AS WELL AS THE PERIOD...
no brew..it would not take that long..
remember..what is phase III?
Brewbaby: yes, I know that but how long has phase II been going?
mailman17: PHASE 2 STARTED AFTER PHASE ONE WAS COMPLETED...THAT TOO IS IN THE ARCHIVES...LOL
mailman17: OK LOU HAS THE FLOOR...BBL