Tlar: Although I don't believe Talabini will call for a vote of no confidence, if he did Maliki would be removed from office even if it took force to do it. The US is still putting troops in Iraq under the guise they are there to fight terrorism. (More Tlar comments below)
Erbil (Iba) .... MDC demanded the opposition led Nshiroan Kurdish Mustafa withdraw confidence from the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, and on the back of the formation of the Tigris, came in a roadmap received Asharq Al-Awsat read where I asked President Jalal Talabani, as a protector of the Constitution, and under Article 61 of the Constitution that the request of the Council of Representatives may withdraw confidence from the prime minister (al-Maliki). (Snippet –Full Article & Link Below)
Tammy44 TY, Tgirl. "The waaaaiting is the hardest part" ~ Tom Petty
Sweetpea: It'll be interesting to see whether Talibani responds to the demand. He sure let it slide in the past. Like Tlar, I think Maliki has something on Talibani that is effectively working to keep Talibani off his butt. I've given up on anything being "fair" over there; it just won't happen. I think Maliki is there to stay, regardless how corrupt he is...
Dr. Nan: Even if they are successful with a no confidence vote, does anyone really think Maliki will leave? Nope. "Life is a series of new beginnings!"
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Fast Eddie: Dr. Nan at November 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM Even if they are successful with a no confidence vote, does anyone really think Maliki will leave? Nope.
Dr Nan if they get the vote of N/C he will have to leave or be removed by force within the law of the consitution. So yes if they vote N/C he will be gone because just like he has done to other just put an arrest warrant on him & watch him run.
Tlar: Although I don't believe Talabini will call for a vote of no confidence, if he did Maliki would be removed from office even if it took force to do it. The US is still putting troops in Iraq under the guise they are there to fight terrorism.
It is our right, under Chapter VII to inter Iraq with or without being invited. We are the guardians of the democracy of Iraq. Everybody who follows the news knows Maliki is in violation again and again on the constitution. Iraq is too important to just let it go.
The international community has been patient as they wait to see Iraq come together as a non sectarian democracy on their own.. It is becoming apparent this course of non action has taken all but taken its course.
Another 3000 US troops are in country bringing in country a total of 18 thousand US Marines if we can believe the news. In Kuwait more soldiers are being deployed to add to the existing 25,000 already stationed there. Something big behind the scenes is taking place.
I mentioned Iraq is very important. The why is not a question. Oil is the answer. Most people are unaware as to where the world oil reserves stand at today. It is estimated of the known oil reserves the world has, 50% have been depleted.
Third world countries are coming into the 21st century. In China at present only 2% of the population own a car. China is westernizing and now more than 70% of their total population is expected to own a car by 2020. That's only 7 years from now.
By it self China will need all the existing oil to run their industries and cars. Big new oil fields must be found. Iraq represents one of the biggest oil deposits in the world with reserves estimated at present in the billions of barrels with only 10% of their country having been explored. The democracy experiment in Iraq, or at least something close to democracy must succeed or there will not be enough oil in our future.
Resources along with religion have been at the heart of almost every war there is. So it is imperative that Iraq succeed. We need the oil. The world needs their. oil. Believe me when I say that the world will not stand by and let another despot control a country with one of the largest oil reserves known.
I believe "in the coming days" or "soon" or for sure "in the next phase" Maliki will fall in line or he will be removed. Not because I say so, but because the heads of many states will say so. I've said this before. The governments of the world are almost all acting in concert to make sure these reserves are not locked down under a new despot under new sanctions.
Time is of essence and the proof is almost nobody up until now has entered Iraq for anything other than oil. In spite iof the Maliki governments politics or inefficiencies, oil is expected to be at 12 million barrels per day by 2020. Maliki and his playmates better not get in the way of this oil production or they will be gone asap. Until then everyone hopes that they can put this non secretarian governmet together. As the Iraqi's run around squabbling, the world is doing their job. As long as they just squabble we will probably just let them. After all they are "sovereign" nation.
Carrello: tlar, thank you, and I completely agree with you. I said a few days that if anyone thinks a two-big thug dictator wanna be is going to stand in the way of oil, step back and watch the powers that be at work, and Maliki is probably not long for this world as he knows, or better yet expects, it to be.
Bugsy.: i agree at some point u have to say "this is as good as its gonna get" as far as theyre stability on the political side...and for Mastinki yeah we all keep hearing next sadam, dictator, never gonna happen and I will go as far as to say we might in our time never see another dictator rise.
dictators need many things but the one thing that this era will never give them is TIME it takes time for this to happen and in the NOW INFORMATION ERA, we now can fly a freaking unmaned airplane land it at the bottom of a new wanna be's bed and he wouldnt know it all the while controlling in from Nevada....that of course is IMO
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Skippin: Tlar, your posts are always good to read and encouraging. Thank you
Terry: Tlar, while I certainly hope you are correct. When it comes to the current admin. and the world leaders doing the right thing as you say. I have to see it to believe it.
Look what has happened with the so called Arab Spring. We let the muslim brotherhood take over Egypt. Libiya has basically a non existent govt. Syria civil war.
Iran everyday getting closer to a nuclear bomb. We threw our closest friend Israel under the bus. And you still have faith that we will do the right thing!!! As I said, I will believe it when I see it. As I bow to our enemies and mock our friends!! (a little sarcasm)
Tlar: Terry, there is little to no oil in Egypt. Libiya and Syria don't have enough oil for the world to give a Shiite. The international community is involved with these countriesbut Iraq has something the world needs now.
Major oil reserves that must, that is must with an M, be produced or yours and my kids will not live in the same world we grew up in. We are an oil based economy and probably will be for the next twenty to thirty years. Unless your willing to pay 10 to 12 bucks a gallon at the pump, you better hope there are some smart people in agreement. Iraq must not fail. No civil war.
No dictatorship and no more unfounded wars. They have to be connected to the world community to insure they are a reliable producer and trading partner. Terry, believe me, Iraq is the focus of governments everywhere. Iran would love to see Iraq fail.
Russia, the US, Asia, China ,Europe and Austrailia are all working together for the first time. Maliki will be deposed if he continues on the present course. It is not easy for anyone outside of Iraq itself to do this without appearing ugly to the International Community but all agree, Iraq has to be part of the world economy. The only success so far is oil production.
By the end of next year Iraq should achieve 4.5 mbpd and is projected to reach 12 mbpd by 2020. It is necessary they achieve these goals in order to keep energy prices affordable.
The world will not let Iraq fail even if we have to interfere. We will drag them to the finish line even if there kicking and screaming. P.S. Their currency will be the highest in the world suppasing Kuwaits. Iraqi's are a proud people.
They are destined to succeed even if they need a kick in the ass from the International community along the way. Just look at the big picture. The day to day is frustrating but the goal is the end game. It will be accomplished. IMHO
wolfpackfan Not only did we let the Muslim brotherhood take over Egypt, our muslim president financed it with over a billion dollars! If you think our president has our best interests in mind you need to take your blinders off.
Tlar: Let me put this argument in perspective. If you have two cars on a road, both with a destination of 20 miles, and both on empty, and there sits a farmer with one cgallon of gas for sale, what do you think that gallon will sell for. A bidding war will take place.
If the looser is desperate enough he may attempt to take the gallon by force. We see this on a global scale every time Iran threatens to close the straights of Hormuz. (not sure I spelled that right) Does anyone think that oil is not worth fighting for?
If you are denied gasoline for your car, anything made out of plastic, most of the medicines delivery systems, heat and cold and in many areas the water you drink because electricity is no longer being sent through the lines, I believe you will fight to get oil.
How much would you be willing to pay to fill your car? This is as true for the individual as it is for countries. That's why oil is considered a issue of national security and why we must see Iraq succeed.
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Erbil (Iba) .... MDC demanded the opposition led Nshiroan Kurdish Mustafa withdraw confidence from the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, and on the back of the formation of the Tigris, came in a roadmap received Asharq Al-Awsat read where I asked President Jalal Talabani, as a protector of the Constitution, and under Article 61 of the Constitution that the request of the Council of Representatives may withdraw confidence from the prime minister (al-Maliki).
In a telephone interview (Middle East) with the head of the mass change the House of Representatives of Iraq Shoresh Haji, and asked whether the composition of the leadership of the Tigris requires all these harsh measures against the Maliki government,
he said that the leadership of the Tigris is not the only problem between the province and Baghdad, which is also not a violation first of the constitution which provides him Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, formation of this command is part of a series of violations of constitutional accumulated for this government led by al-Maliki, is the most important violation of Article 140, which has since issued so far just ink on paper, and without any signs reassuring about implementation .
With regard to the national partnership said became this partnership does not exist, and there is also the problem of the Federal Court, then the formation Operations Command Tigris itself constitute a serious violation of the constitution,
because the appointment of its leader has not been before the House of Representatives as required by the Constitution, and the most dangerous of all is the use of army in political conflicts and this one of the most serious constitutional violations that would have very serious repercussions on the future of Iraq.
Asked whether the MDC and its parliamentary faction will vote in favor of interrogation and confidence, which I hesitated in the past, it said the head of the Change House Iraqi situation is quite different, because in the past there were political agreements side outside the parliament to collect signatures against Maliki and withdraw confidence him,
but this map before we seek to move the topic to the framework of constitutional, we block change we first opposed this government led by al-Maliki because of the lack of clarity his government, and said so openly and frankly,
and from the first moment we felt a lack of partnership in governance, so Ardhanaha, but Today Things reached a violation constitutional provisions threaten the future of coexistence between the components of Iraq, and map sets roads constitutional crisis,
which gradually begins search president to use his constitutional powers as the protector of the Constitution, and that there is a danger to the Constitution, then call on the parliament to interrogate al-Maliki, and if that is not possible also raise the issue of withdrawal of confidence from the parliament.