Millionday Roundtable 7/16/14 Part 1
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[millionday] I HAD A LINK LAST NIGHT THAT I BROUGHT IN FOR EVERYONE TO SAVE TO LOOK AT AND I WILL BRING IT IN FOR ALL OF YOU THIS ROUNDTABLE AS WELL
[millionday] IT HAS A LOT OF FACTS FOR IRAQ AND IS FULL OF SO MUCH INFORMATION AND LAWS --GOVERNMENTAL ANSWERS -- AND MUCH MORE
[millionday] PLEASE REMIND ME BEFORE WE GET DONE SMILE
[millionday] LETS START WITH SOME NEWS BRB
[millionday] Resulted in a heated debate and long for the House of Representatives yesterday elected Salim al-chairman of the House of Representatives by 194 votes out of 273 deputies who attended the session, after he witnessed the corridors of the House of Representatives meetings of the final moments of mature political consensus on the names of candidates to fill sites of the Presidium of Parliament.
promised a number of MPs this session as the first session of the age of the Parliament in its legislative first, which has the performance of their constitutional duties to the election of the Presidency,
which is the first step in the continuation of the democratic political process within the times are constitutional and which confirms provide national consensus for the triumph of the will of the construction on the will of Aldoaash who seek to divide the country and sabotage or finish off the political process.
[millionday] note -- i will bring the constitutional section so we can look at the timeline they have for the leadership -- i misspoke last night and want to correct it - I believe i was misunderstood too with what they have to do
[millionday] nominated for the post of parliament speaker Salim al for "union national forces" and Sunrise Alabegi for "coalition of civil democratic" and got "19 votes while popping 60 card void. competed for the post of deputy The first three deputies, one of them the National Alliance candidate Dr Haider Abadi and won in the first round of the 149 votes while his rival, Ahmed Chalabi, who ran the 107 voices and got MP Fares Jeju candidate "coalition Civic Democrats on 6 votes.
entered the meeting in a heated debate about how to get out of this impasse, to give the President of the Age half an hour to resolve the matter and it was agreed that the re-vote in the second round of the candidates who obtained the highest votes and two Dr Haider Abadi and Dr. Ahmed Chalabi and after they started the voting process withdraw Chalabi's candidacy, leaving the win to Ebadi,
[millionday] who received 188 of the total 264 votes to be the first deputy speaker of parliament, with gold as second deputy to the Kurdistan Alliance candidate of mass change MP "Aram Sheikh Mohammed, who received 171 votes out of 241."
and will begin the House of Representatives his full legal powers and constitutional after it completed the first step of this and is preparing to his move later in the second election of a president and two vice presidents, where it will share the position of the Kurdistan Alliance, specifically the National Union and MPs will be a position to components Sunni and Shiite.
[millionday] so as we see they are sharing the gov positions with all parties -- this is great and historical as well --
[millionday] this is huge for them to start working together -- very encouraging for the citizens too --
[millionday] i have said many times confidence in the gov is lacking and that is what they need in everything -- economics and banking -- investments-- gov -- and benefits - and the list goes on
[Redmon] Can you explain how they vote for the PM? My understanding is the President and his COM vote, not the Parliament.
[millionday] yes just one sec i am going to bring it -- hold on just a sec brb
[millionday] let me get this for us to look at so we understand the process -- brb
millionday] here we go -- this explains it in ink
[millionday] Iraqi lawmakers elected a new speaker on Tuesday, taking a small but crucial step toward ending the political deadlock that has frozen decision making as military victories by Sunni militants threaten the country’s existence.
Salim al-Jubouri, a moderate Sunni Islamist, won the speaker’s post with 194 votes of 272 cast. Joining him as deputy speakers were Haider al-Abadi, a Shiite, who is a member of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki’s Dawa Party, and Aram al-Sheikh Mohammed, a Kurd from the Goran Party.
[millionday] note -- the new york times
[millionday] >>>>>>The Parliament had tried and failed twice before to elect a speaker, so Tuesday’s decision represented something of a breakthrough since it starts the clock for setting up the entire government. The Constitution requires that in two weeks, the speaker must nominate a president.
The president then has four weeks to nominate the prime minister.
[quicktolegit96] which would put us last week of August... hopefully, this wont be the case
[millionday] note -- they are opening a three day vote for the citizens to give their input of the president as well
[millionday] note -- this goes on to tell us how they are going to have three positions
[disciple7] MD so the 23rd of July is correct?
[millionday] “We have made a great achievement,” said Ibrahim Bahr al-Uloum, a Shiite lawmaker allied with the Supreme Islamic Council Party. Abbas al-Bayati, a Shiite lawmaker from the bloc led by Mr. Maliki, sounded similarly pleased.
“We shortened the time compared to the last time — this is evidence that Iraqi democracy is on the right track,” he said, referring to 2010, when it took nine months to select a government. This time, it took less than three months since the election in April.
[millionday] disciple7 they have two weeks from the 15th or 16th depending on time difference
[millionday] note -- most all news reports said they had completed this according to the constitution this time
[Baxter1243] yes.. so by the end of August... we should have a seated govt....
[disciple7] MD IYO do u feel they will take the entire stretch of time to come to a decision?
[millionday] hold on hun there is more of this
[millionday] By custom, a Sunni holds the position of speaker; a Kurd has the presidency, and a Shiite is prime minister. International supporters of Iraq hailed Mr. Jubouri’s selection, clearly relieved that the political process was not entirely broken.
Secretary of State John Kerry underscored the importance of not losing momentum, an admonition that seemed necessary since lawmakers announced even before the end of voting that they planned to take the full constitutionally permitted time before choosing the president.
“Leaders need to confront that threat with the urgency it deserves,” Mr. Kerry said in a statement, implicitly reminding lawmakers of the government’s losses in the north and west to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
[millionday] note -- Kerry is saying here that it is not necessary to take the full allotted time because of the problems they have on the border with fighting
[millionday] Choosing the president and prime minister is far more fraught, however, because it means that lawmakers have to discuss the Kurds’ stated intention of holding a referendum on independence and decide whether to grant Mr. Maliki’s demand for a third term as prime minister.
How they handle those challenges will involve horse-trading, promises of cabinet slots, appointments of various kinds and, potentially, even meaningful concessions on questions like the extent that power might be devolved from the center to the provinces.
[millionday] note -- they are referring to the fact that the kirds said they will pull out entirely if maliki is put in not that he is being put in --- just the position they took on it is what he is referring to
[millionday] In addition, Sunnis want an expansive amnesty to free the tens of thousands who have been detained but never charged with a crime, and the release of those who have served their sentences but are still being held. Mr. Jubouri, the newly elected speaker, said he did not expect a decision for two weeks on the presidency.
Ibrahim al-Jafari, the leader of the National Alliance, the coalition of Shiite parties that is the largest political grouping in the Parliament, was similarly cautious about making any predictions about the next step, indicating that in some measure just getting through Tuesday without major snags was a confidence-builder and that now legislators needed time.
[millionday] note - here is some steps that are worrying them about the timeline
[millionday] “This is the first station,” Mr. Jafari said. “Now we have to give a break for Kurds and the National Alliance to decide and present their candidates.”
While it is unclear what will happen next, a possible foretaste was evident during the voting for deputy speakers. Despite an agreement by the political blocs to support a Shiite from the Dawa Party (Mr. Abadi) and a Kurd (Mr. Mohammed) for the two deputy speaker slots, Ahmad Chalabi, a canny political player and Shiite opponent of Mr. Maliki, put himself forward to fill the post designated for the Shiite. Mr. Chalabi’s ultimate goal is to become prime minister himself.
[millionday] note -- this is very interesting
[millionday] To the shock of many of the lawmakers, and in a rare unscripted moment in Iraqi politics, Mr. Chalabi took 107 votes.
While that was not enough to win, it was enough to block Mr. Maliki’s candidate. After a brief adjournment, the leadership persuaded Mr. Chalabi to withdraw his challenge. He agreed,
but he had made his point. He might not have enough votes to defeat Mr. Maliki for the prime minister job, but he would have enough to thwart him.
That, according to Harith Al-Qarawee, an Iraqi scholar and fellow at the Radcliffe Institute at Harvard University, “shows the Shia bloc is far from an agreement on the prime minister.”
[millionday] note -- huge encouragement
[Redmon] Millionday, do you have any opinion of Chalabi? I have heard the US had some earlier trouble from him.
[letsroll] millionday when u wrote " by custom " certain sects hold certain positions in the goi , does that mean the same as By Tradition or By Law ? if that makes any sense .. cheers
[millionday] funny thing he said >>>>“There’s a real competition out there,” he said.
[millionday] Redmon i think he is respected and has made many statements for the good of the people -- he is a good candidate if the people agree with how things are over there -- dont want to rock the boat imo
[millionday] letsroll yes by tradition -- that makes sense smile
[millionday] Redmon did you want to bring the report you had from the beginning now hun
[Redmon] I had put together what I posted earlier for a friend. It was not an article.
[millionday] thats ok hun bring it lets look at it -- i have some other things to bring too after this
[Redmon] What you followed with was excellent, Thanks!!!
[millionday] thanks i didnt get to read yours lets bring it again and take a look at it the first part i liked but missed it
[Redmon] How elections work in Iraq The people get 1 Parliament (COR) seat per 100,000 people in their area. The people vote for parties which fill the seats in the (COR) Council of Representatives based on vote percentages.
The Council of Representatives elect the President of the Republic and his Deputies, including the President of the Council of Ministers and Ministers. The Presidency Council then shall name a Prime Minister unanimously.
The Presidency Council must agree on a candidate for the post within two weeks. In the event that it fails to do so, the responsibility of naming the Prime Minister reverts to the National Assembly.
In that event, the Council of Representatives must confirm the nomination by a two-thirds majority. If the Prime Minister is unable to nominate his Council of Ministers within one month, the Presidency Council shall name another Prime Minister..
[millionday] The Council of Representatives of Iraq elects a President of the Republic who appoints the Prime Minister who in turn appoints the Council of Ministers, all of whom must be approved by the Assembly
[millionday] so the prime minister puts the ministers in place and it is approved
[millionday] so they wont be done until after the prime minister is in place
[Rockin'RV] MD what do you see as a timeline for that to happen after the prime minister is in place
[carpet] milllionday didn't they say they could RV with PM in place
[millionday] but that has nothing to do with the position they are in now with putting the leaders in place they will gain confidence and also be following the constitution
[millionday] i would say that will be done as soon as possible as who they want in place to work with -- meaning the prime minister
[Rockin'RV] Millionday but doesn't the Constitution have guidelines for a timetable to announce the Prime Minister
[millionday] carpet did cbi say that ? is that what you are asking me ?
[quicktolegit96] millionday what is ur interpretation of what the CBI has stated, "stable govt". Do you feel Turki and CBI will know who the PM is long way before the actual voting?
[millionday] Rockin'RV yes The Constitution requires that in two weeks, the speaker must nominate a president. The president then has four weeks to nominate the prime minister.
[Redmon] "Good Stuff" to know so we don't keep thinking it will happen tomorrow like so many keep saying.
[carpet] I don't know if CBi said maybe just read it somewhere
[millionday] a stable government by my interpretation would be the leaders in place --
[millionday] however i have not seen that CBI is waiting for that to be done in ink -- i may have missed it but all i have seen of that is when Shabibi was in place and did a speech here stating that he would have to have a stable government if i remember right but i dont have the ink on it anymore on this puter -- i will search for what they have said but i believe that was a statement made by someone
[carpet] so with all this been said we could look for this end August first Sept right?
chattels] good afternoon all