Millionday Roundtable 8/20/14 Part 2
[jimplants] thanks the way I have been told the federal court act is the key to the HCL and everything is down hill from there
[millionday] jimplants YES AND THEY ARE WORING ON IT ALL RIGHT NOW WHILE THE BUDGET IS BEING PREPARED AND DISPLACED SO ALL AT THE SAME TIME --
[MsDiva] BGG Great to hear hun thanks for updating us
[millionday] KIND OF LIKE A BASKET --- HMMMMM
[millionday] znn I AM SURE THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING THE PLACEMENTS FROM THE KURDS AND FROM THE FED AND ALL PARTIES --- CHATTELS HAS MANY REPORTS IN THE FORUM AS WELL -- GREAT RESEARCHER ----
[millionday] I AM SURE THEY WILL BE NEGOTIATING THE POSITIONING --- THE OTHER DAY WE SAW THAT THEY WERE AS WELL BUT --- THEY ARE THERE AND TAKING PART SO THAT IS FOR SURE VERY POSITIVE
[millionday] BRB WITH MORE
[znn] MD just mentioned because it could delay Parliament from voting on Monday...thank you
[awesomedtl] millionday millionday millionday millionday DO YOU KINDA THINK THAT EVERYTHING WONT HAPPEN TILL AFTER THE GOVERNMENT IS SET??
WERE AlL BIG kids here!! Im not asking for rv just all these elusiive laws that get talked about all the time yet nothing happens its alway days away or next week>
[millionday] TERRIBLE NEWS ABOUT JAMES FOLEY (SPELLING) HE WAS A JOURNALIST THAT WAS KILLED BY ISIL
[awesomedtl] yes sad
[millionday] THE WAR AGAINST THEM HAS NOW BEGUN IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND OBAMA IS CALLING THEM A CANCER
[millionday] HERE WE GO According to a member of the Budget Committee temporary Faleh force that "can not submit the draft general budget for 2014 until after the completion of the formation of the new government."
The force said in a statement that "the Interim Committee of the problem before the Iraqi parliament reinstated the draft budget to the government", pointing out that they took the assurances of the Minister of Finance new paragraphs containing the draft of the budget,
including the first respect the security aspect and the second regarding the oil region. " He added that "the government should study the shortfall in the budget and treatment."
It is said that "the previous parliament failed to approve the general budget for 2014 due to political intersections witnessed by the previous stage.
highstarr] I don't think I like that word "draft."
[millionday] CBI STATED IN A PRESS STATEMENT THAT THEY WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ECONOMIC REFORM AND MONETARY POLICY WITH THE BUDGET OR WITHOUT ---
I REMEMBER ANOTHER STATEMENT ABOUT THE MOVE FROM MALIKI BEING IN OFFICE AND THE ECONOMIC CHANGES NOT TAKING PLACE WHILE HE WAS THERE BUT NOT SURE ON THE ENTIRE FORMATION OF THE GOV -- NOT IN INK BY WHAT I HAVE SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
[awesomedtl] wow hmmm we will see great news
[Smokey Mtn. Dinar] Sounds like they have a draft budget READY, just waiting for a seated GOI?
[dovi] awesomedtl lol
[millionday] THE WORD DRAFT IS MEANING THE DOCUMENT BEING PRESENTD FOR VOTE -- IT IS DRAFT UNTIL IT IS VOTED THROUGH
[millionday] Smokey Mtn. Dinar I AGREE
[Smokey Mtn. Dinar] WhoooooPooooooow
[millionday] BRB WITH MORE
[awesomedtl] millionday yet there was a request from the government to the cbi not to move forward with the reforms wasnt there,??
they are totally professionals and confusing us!!! they can move forward with out the budget,, but wait dont do that yet lol ohh man oh man!!
[highstarr] Contrived confusion, to drive you and me nuts, awesomedtl.
[millionday] The tasks entrusted to Iraqi Prime Minister-designate Haider al-Abadi are primarily constituent tasks that entail a range of highly complicated responsibilities to be assumed amid great obstacles and impediments.
The new Iraqi prime minister will be dealing with a country that is rapidly rolling toward the abyss, since there is no longer a real guarantor capable of saving the unity of Iraq because of the depth of the differences plaguing the parties and spreading in social environments,
which makes them more open to the idea of division. Moreover, extremist armed organizations control a great part of the country, and they continuously seek to expand, acquire human and economic expertise, while ensuring their long-term survival. These are all factors that complicate the
[millionday] These are all factors that complicate the task of the next prime minister, who has the greatest executive powers in the country.
This prime minister will inherit a government that failed to provide minimal internal consensus and agreement between Baghdad and the Kurdistan Region, among the provinces, among different Iraqi political representations and among the legislative, judicial and executive institutions of the political system.
But the task of the prime minister is not impossible, since there are always ways to provide solutions, even if they are difficult and painful and require sacrifices and concessions.
The most prominent task regards Abadi’s ability to play a decisive role in achieving reconciliation and consensus between the political and social Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish environments.
This task involves investing the fateful difficulties and challenges faced by all Iraqi factions in passing a series of solutions and raising the ceiling of concessions.
millionday] NOTE -- THE FORMING OF THE GOV IS A VERY HARD STEP AT THIS TIME –
THAT I AGREE WITH -- BUT ABADI IS THE MAN FOR THE JOB IF YOU ASK ME –
HE SEEMS TO BRING CALM AND CAN EVEN GET PEOPLE TO COME TO WORK -- HE IS RESPECTED AND IT SHOWS SO THIS IS THE BEST CHANCE FOR A GOV TO BE FORMED AND END UNIFIED --
[millionday] IT APPEARS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TRUST IN HIM AS WELL --
millionday] The problem of achieving a comprehensive reconciliation between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq seems more complicated than it looks in theory.
Therefore, the prime minister, as a candidate for the Shiites, will have to raise questions that have yet to be raised about ensuring the participation of Sunni political actors in power,
finding durable solutions to issues such as de-Baathification, the balance in institutions and appointments and the general amnesty.
At the same time, he must start making serious arrangements to raise social sensitivities and begin long-term plans on the economic, cultural and legal levels to ease the exacerbated sectarian tensions in the country.
As soon as he was designated to form the new government, Abadi declared that everyone must unite against the terrorism campaign against Iraq and must stop all terrorist groups.
[millionday] RECONCILIATION WILL BE HISTORICAL SHITES AND THE SUNNIS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR EVER WE COULD SAY
[awesomedtl] awesome!!! so your articles still say that the announcement is for monday?? provided they dont postpone this !! but he is coming up on timelines, yet I think they would let him slide??
millionday] HERE AS WE SEE --- YES IT IS HARD TO GET THE KURDS ON BOARD WITH WHAT IS BEST FOR THE FEDERAL GOV
[millionday] The difficulty of this lies in the opposition and objections that Abadi will have to face from political, religious or cultural Shiite actors. They will not easily accept major concessions of this kind, particularly in relation to the Baathists, terrorism and the way of dealing with militants.
The prime minister will also face Sunni obstacles exemplified by the Sunnis’ demand for a comprehensive settlement of these issues and their refusal to accept a middle ground.
The situation is no different in settling the relationship between Baghdad and the Kurdistan Region. Abadi will discover that the executive system he leads is clinging to the central state project, especially as concerns administration, oil exports and the disputed areas.
The Kurdistan Region, which is reaching the stage of announcing its independence and exporting oil independently, imposes its influence on Kirkuk and other disputed territories, and it will not accept solutions that do not take into account the new reality imposed by the Islamic
[graylnjo] If they let deadlines pass without forming the govt, couldn't maliki call foul and try to slip back in as PM?? Scary thought!!!
[millionday] LOST THE LAST PART BUT THE POINT BEING THAT THIS IS A VERY HARD GOV FORMATION AND WE HAVE AND THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ABADI TO GET IT DONE
[graylnjo] Whew!! Md
[millionday] THE PRESIDENT WOULD PLACE ANOTHER PM IN THE POSITION IF HE FAILS TO FORM A GOV
[millionday] LET ME CHECK A FEW MORE SOURCES BRB
millionday] HERE WE GO
[millionday] Khandan -ali Naji stressed a leading figure in the Islamic Supreme Council deputy Baqir al-Zubaidi, the absence of a dispute between the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government, but the difference in views.
Zubaidi said in a statement to "Khandan" that "there are no differences between the government and the province, but differences in views on the interpretation of the constitution,
"adding that" the Constitution and dealing in good faith between the parties, will guarantee solve them.
" Zubaidi added, "We are partners in one nation and we have to deal as brothers, and that it does not harm each other."
[millionday] SO THIS IS SAYING THAT THE KURDS AND IRAQI FEDERAL GOV PARTIES ARE JUST DISAGREEING ABOUT THE COSTITUTIONAL MEANINGS AND THAT WILL BE RESOLVED BY THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM –
THIS WILL NOT HOLD UP THE GOV FORMATION BUT WILL SPEED UP THE FEDERAL SYSTEM
[millionday] THEY ARE GETTING ALONG -- THEY ARE JUST DISAGREEING -- AND THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRATIC GOV FACE
buck] ???? any indications that the Kurds would abide by the ruling since they always threaten independence???
[millionday] SO WHAT THEY ARE DRAGGING THEIR HEALS ON WOULD BE TRANSLATING THE TRUE MEANING OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HOW IT APPLIES TO WHAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING
[znn] Well, that doesn't sound too bad!
[Smokey Mtn. Dinar] IF the GOI is seated Monday, could we see RV next week? I know you don't know when it will happen, but if Maliki is gone, then they would be more likely too? Wouldn't they?
[millionday] THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND SHOWING UP WHICH IS A HUGE CHANGE FROM WHAT WE SAW WITH THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION SO LETS NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH -----
EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE MOVING ALONG VERY FAST AND THEY ARE GETTING SO MUCH DONE IT IS SHOCKING
[millionday] DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BRING IN?
billuke] millionday - don't know if you covered it, I've been in & out, anything to the 1 page announcement on the CBI website today? It's in Arabic and pdf.
[millionday] I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT TRANSLATED YET
[millionday] I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENT THAT WAS SIGNED HERE WITH OBAMAM AND MALIKI BUT WAS ONLY ABLE TO FIND THE NEWS OF HIM COMING SO I WILL KEEP LOOKING