Post From Wealthwatch.world Part 3 of 3
14:15:41] OOTW: ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
[14:16:33] KiwiDoc: Do you think Abadi is holding off on hauling in Maliki due to the public unrest that will ensue following his arrest?
[14:16:36] OOTW: I THINK I SPELLED OUT THE SITUATION FAIRLY WELL - WE NEED TO SEE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE GO BEFORE THE SJC, TO BE TRIED, NOW AND WAIT AND SEE IF KEYWORDS GETS OFF PROBATION - ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ;)
[14:17:19] OOTW: I WOULD THINK THAT THE MORE POLITICIANS THEY CAN CONVICT OF CORRUPTION CRIMES , THE MORE "TRACING" THEY WILL BE ABLE TO LINK BACK TO MALIKI SO SHORE UP THEIR CASE
[14:17:27] OOTW: THAT'S JUST GOOD DETECTIVE WORK
[14:17:39] Satrib: ‹@OOTW› are you under the impression from your reading and research that Iraq is on the verge (as in right now) of desperately needing funds?
[14:18:00] DT N AZ: AND STOP FUTURE CORRUPTION IN THE RANKS
[14:18:39] OOTW: THE INFORMATION IS CONFLICTING- THE KURDS ARE PUMPING OIL LIKE CRAZY- THE PRICE OF OIL IS SLATED TO GO UP NOTICEABLY, (ACCDNG TO MAHDI) BY THE END OF THE YEAR,
AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND CROSS-BORDER TRADING
[14:18:45] DT N AZ: IF THEY KNOW THERE IS A BETTER CHANCE AT GETTING CAUGHT MAYBE THAT WILL DETER IT BIT
[14:18:48] OOTW: AND INSTALL THE TARIFFS
[14:19:02] OOTW: NOT HOLDING MY BREATH ON THAT ALTHOUGH RIGHT NOW THE CHANCE OF THAT LOOKS GOOD
[14:19:10] OOTW: PERHAPS DT
[14:19:10] OOTW: PERHAPS DT
[14:19:32] OOTW: THE PRESS IS STILL TALKING ABOUT QUESTIONING BARZANI AND MALIKI ABOUT MOSUL
[14:19:46] DT N AZ: GOOD
[14:20:03] KiwiDoc: Plus the longer they wait, the more hiding of currency can continue, if those that are holding this up have a stake in pocketing more
[14:20:05] DT N AZ: SHOULD BE DONE IN FRONT OF SJC
[14:20:09] OOTW: OLD ARTICLES SAY THAT THE KURDS TOOK BRIBE MONEY FROM MALIKI TO ALLOW MOSUL TO FALL...I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT
[14:20:12] OOTW: WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE
[14:20:16] Abraham: I think Maliki's presence hinders Private Sector development and the need to remove him prior to release of major funding
[14:20:23] OOTW: EXCEPT THAT MAHMOUD STILL SITS AS HEAD
[14:20:25] OOTW: BUT NOW
[14:20:28] KiwiDoc: that sounds like a Maliki-leak
[14:20:51] TxBrand: love this chat..works great on cell...you don't even have to download anything
[14:20:53] OOTW: WE HAVE THE PASSED UN LAW GIVING PERMISSION TO IRAQ TO CONVICT THOSE IN RECEIPT OF PROPERTY BRIBES
[14:20:58] Satrib: it appears to me that we could very well be here awhile until they get all of this sorted out with the "crooks"
[14:21:23] DT N AZ: ‹@Satrib› I FEEL THE SAME WAY RIGHT NOW
[14:21:47] vtech: well so many also seem to think the end of the month is it for the kurds and they are gone....but have heard that also soooo many times
[14:21:48] OOTW: SATRIB, SO MUCH, AS YOU KNOW, HAS BUILT UP, LAYER UPON LAYER OF DARKNESS IN IRAQ - THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE UNEARTHED
[14:22:26] OOTW: THE KURDS DON'T WANT TO LEAVE, THEY WANT BAGHDAD TO PAY THEM EVERYTHING THEY'RE OWED
[14:22:33] OOTW: STILL THERE ARE KURDS WHO WANT SECESSION
[14:22:36] OOTW: THEY WILL KEEP TALKING
[14:22:43] Abraham: Obviously the IMF and the World Bank is pressuring the new PM to clean up house
[14:23:02] Satrib: YEP, and as much as I would like to make my profit and run, I would sure hope after all that country has been thru that they can get this all sorted and come out better tan ever
[14:23:07] KiwiDoc: I would repeat what I said earlier, the general Iraqi feels like they are all crooks. Nobody trusts anybody, and until the dust settles who do you trust.
[14:23:12] chattels: ‹@vtech› IMO, the Kurds go no where unless and until Erbil is resolved
[14:23:28] vtech: correct, i totally agree
[14:23:37] OOTW: VERY GOOD POINT CHATTELS AND I AGREE
[14:23:59] OOTW: "Kurdish civilian organization demanding Erbil solving its problems with Baghdad and the disclosure of its oil exports" THIS IS AN ART TITLE WINNERDINAR JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION
[14:24:35] OOTW: ABRAHAM I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOU ON MALIKI HINDERING PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT
[14:24:42] OOTW: HERE'S THE CORE ISSUE
[14:24:57] OOTW: REMEMBER THAT THE GOI RECENTLY APPROVED THE BUDGETS FROM 2003-2011?
[14:25:23] OOTW: THEY SAID IT WAS DUE TO ACCOUNTING ISSUES THAT THEY COULDN'T APPROVE 2012-2014 BUDGETS
[14:25:50] OOTW: WELL,WE KNOW SO MANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE THEN AND THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE MALIKI AND HIS GOONS STOLE THE MONIES
[14:26:00] OOTW: THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE ACCOUNTING PROCEDURES TO PROSECUTE THEM
[14:26:06] OOTW: THIS IS JUST MY OPINION
[14:26:10] OOTW: BUT IT'S GOOD EVIDENCE
[14:26:11] KiwiDoc: Private sector won't boom until they are able to bring their profits out.....so far, no guarantee they can do that.....so why go in? Dangerous, unpredictable, and no guarantees
[14:26:13] OOTW: AND THEY'RE NOT STUPID
[14:26:18] OOTW: SLOW BUT NOT STUPID
[14:26:30] DT N AZ: LOL
[14:26:48] Abraham: Ok! But would you be comfortable to invest in the Country knowing that Maliki is doing his best to overthrow the new government?
[14:26:52] OOTW: THEY HAVE TO GET THE BANKING PRACTICES IN LINE SO INVESTORS WILL FEEL GOOD - THIS IS WHAT MANY OF THESE "WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENCY" ARTICLES ARE STATING
[14:27:09] OOTW: SO MANY TRADE AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED, OR "RE-SIGNED" SINCE ABADI CAME INTO OFFICE
[14:27:11] Satrib: if they prosecute everyone who has had their hand in the til......they won't have anyone left!
[14:27:16] OOTW: THEY ARE LAUNCHING THE PRIVATE SECTOR
[14:27:28] DT N AZ: ‹@Abraham› I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT HIS POWERS HAVE DIMINISHED CONSIDERABLY
[14:27:28] OOTW: SATRIB LOL
[14:27:35] OOTW: YES DT, TY
[14:27:44] OOTW: HE'S A PARIAH NOW
[14:27:44] OOTW: HE'S A PARIAH NOW
[14:28:01] OOTW: ABRAHAM NO I WOULDN'T - BUT THEY STILL ARE DOING IT
[14:28:03] Abraham: ‹@OOTW› yes agreed. But how is that going to be done with Maliki and his cronies around?
[14:28:07] OOTW: PERHAPS THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DO NOT
[14:28:26] OOTW: THEY'RE DWINDLING BY THE DAY AND TRUST ME, THEY'RE VERY AFRAID OF PROSECUTION
[14:28:35] OOTW: THEY MOSTLY HAVE DISASSOCIATED FROM HIM
[14:28:45] OOTW: LOOK ABRAHAM
[14:28:52] OOTW: WE HAVE CORRUPT CRONIES HERE
[14:28:55] OOTW: IN THE US
[14:28:57] Winnerdinar: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
[14:29:11] Satrib: oh no.....not here...say it ain't so...[img=20x20]file:///C:\Users\Doug\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.png[/img]
[14:29:25] KiwiDoc: but remember the ones that have stolen to most, don't have a choice, they have to stay loyal, they are toast if it finally comes out
[14:29:28] OOTW: THINGS STILL GET DONE
[14:29:28] DT N AZ: LOL
[14:29:42] OOTW: NOT AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE CUZ THESE DARN POLITICIANS CARE MORE ABOUT THEIR EGOS
[14:30:00] DT N AZ: AND POCKETS
[14:30:31] Abraham: ‹@OOTW› I suppose that is standard in today's world [img=20x20]file:///C:\Users\Doug\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png[/img]
[14:30:34] OOTW: THERE'S POLITICIANS IN IRAQ, UNDER THE CONTROL OF RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY, WHO ARE ISSUING "POLITICS MUST BE SEPARATE FROM RELIGION" STATEMENTS, AS WHITELIONS POINTED OUT TO US SO WELL
[14:30:39] OOTW: YEAH
[14:30:47] KiwiDoc: Remember Joe B recommended that the Kurds have their own state
[14:30:49] OOTW: WHAT WAS IT I THINK CHATTELS SAID
[14:30:57] OOTW: THE DEVIL DANCES IN EMPTY POCKETS?
[14:31:03] OOTW: WE'LL SEE
[14:31:09] Winnerdinar: Some Maliki news coming in
[14:31:16] OOTW: THANKS WD
[14:31:43] KiwiDoc: Adrenaline does wonder things.....
[14:32:35] Winnerdinar: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
[14:32:42] OOTW: MOST WANT ABADI TO THRIVE
[14:33:07] OOTW: YOU DON'T READ MUCH ABOUT THAT IN THE PRESS BECAUSE IT'S ADRENALINE PROMOTING TO POST NEGATIVE NEWS AND TO BUY INTO IT
[14:33:36] OOTW: TY WINNDERDINAR
[14:33:40] OOTW: Commission calls for the fall of Mosul, al-Maliki and Barzani of urgency to answer the questions Sun Jun 21
2015 20:34 | (Voice of Iraq) - (AFTER NOTE- ARTICLE'S WE DISCUSSED WILL BE POSTED BELOW THIS CHAT)
[14:33:41] KiwiDoc: bad news sells best
[14:34:42] OOTW: CHATTELS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE REALITY OF MASSOUD BEING PRESIDENT AGAIN WITH ALL OF THIS, HAS HE OFFICIALLY DROPPED OUT OF THE RUNNING?
[14:34:49] OOTW: I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO RESEARCH THIS
[14:35:36] OOTW: AS LONG AS ABADI PROMOTES INCLUSION, HE'LL KEEP GAINING SUPPORT AND I DON'T MEAN BY HIS WORDS
[14:35:37] OOTW: BUT HIS ACTIONS
[14:36:49] Satrib: ‹@OOTW› am I readin this right.....is it saying Barzani had something to do with this mess too?
[14:36:58] OOTW: WE HAVE A LOT OF CORRUPTION YET TO BE UNCOVERED AND PROSECUTED OR DISMISSED- SEPARATING THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF
[14:37:11] chattels: ‹@OOTW› Some say ( Kurds ) that there is no one else for the job in these times
[14:37:29] OOTW: AS I SAID ABOVE, THERE ARE REPORTS THAT SAY THAT THE KURDS TOOK BRIBES FROM THE MALIKI REGIME TO ALLOW MOSUL TO FALL
[14:37:33] OOTW: WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE
[14:37:50] chattels: obviously there are regional constitutional issues
[14:37:52] OOTW: "STARVE EM (THE KURDS BY NOT PAYING THEM) UNTIL THEY YIELD TO DEMANDS"
[14:37:59] OOTW: IDK WE'LL SEE
[14:38:02] KiwiDoc: Didn't Barzani refuse to answer inquires about fall of Mosul because it was Maliki according to him that was responsible, so he refused to respond to the questions
[14:38:03] OOTW: I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT
[14:38:08] OOTW: BUT THERE IT IS
[14:38:13] OOTW: YES CHATTELS TRUE
[14:38:21] OOTW: TY CHATTELS
[14:39:05] OOTW: Commission calls for the fall of Mosul, al-Maliki and Barzani of urgency to answer the questions Sun Jun 21 2015 20:34 | (Voice of Iraq) -
Winnerdinar: MP calls for wise central bank paper currency to the new image of the upper threshold of the Holy included Sun Jun 21 2015 19:46 | (Voice of Iraq) -
[14:40:03] OOTW: MP calls for wise central bank paper currency to the new image of the upper threshold of the Holy included Sun Jun 21 2015 19:46 | (Voice of Iraq)
[14:40:57] OOTW: WHERE IS "KUT BARRAGE" I DON'T SEE IT LOL
[14:41:13] OOTW: KUT BARRAGE ELUDES TO THE TIGRIS/EUPHRATES I BELIEVE?
[14:41:42] Satrib: IDK, but I am not liking all of the discussion that has come about new currencies or denominations.......
[14:42:55] OOTW: UNTIL WE SEE AN ANNOUNCEMENT AT THE CBI SITE
[14:43:01] OOTW: I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED
OOTW: I'LL END BY SAYING SO MUCH OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS NOT ONE THING OR THE OTHER..IT'S ALL CONNECTED, EVERYTHING IN IRAQ IS CONNECTED, JUST LIKE WITH ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHERE THERE'S A GOVT
OOTW: WELL I HOPE I HELPED AND DIDN'T MAKE IT MORE CONFUSING
OOTW: THE GOVERNMENT IS ADDRESSING CORRUPTION- WE'RE GETTING THERE
OOTW: A LOT HAS TO BE UNDONE
OOTW: IT'S BEING UNDONE
OOTW: LIKE I SAY, SINCE ABADI TOOK OFFICE, WE'RE SEEING FLUIDITY WITHIN IRAQ
rollonjohn: OOTW, Thanks for all you do, it is very much appreciated!
Abraham: ‹@OOTW› thank you so much
OOTW: CHANGE ON THE MOVE
Satrib: I appreciate you just presenting it straight forward....no hype, no guesses
OOTW: YOU'RE VERY WELCOME
KiwiDoc: thoughts on your next call?
OOTW: I TRY TO KEEP IT REAL AND I WANT ANY OF YOU TO CALL ME OUT ON ANYTHING I POST IF YOU DON'T THINK I AM, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING?
OOTW: I WILL USE TODAY'S CHAT AS A BASIS FOR A CALL ALONG WITH OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASES ONCE WE HAVE THEM
OOTW: SO IF WE GET MORE PROOF VIA OFFICIAL GOVT SITES, I WILL HAVE A CALL
chattels: ‹@OOTW› add to the equation that there are likely no absolutes and everything is relative and we are where we are - too many unkown unknowns
OOTW: I WON'T HAVE A CALL WITHOUT OFFICIAL GOVT NEWS BACKING IT UP -
I WANT OUR CALLS TO BE AS CREDIBLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN..BASED ON GOVT PRESS RELEASES AND/OR LAWS...THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BASE THEM ON. TY EVERYONE.