[*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat what is the responsibility of Lagarde in all this?
[ArizonaHeat] *Pearlnoir oh my, lots, she has to be the one to finalize everything, in fact when shabs says "go" it goes to her, then to world banks in conjunction with the BIS
[oucrazy] ArizonaHeat . . . every thing that you have said this monring rings "true." It makes sense. Sometimes when I hear info, I shake my head and think. . . that doesn't make sense. Keep it coming.
[ArizonaHeat] oucrazy thats good, sometimes with i think, my head rings, so we are one in the same rofl
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat Fed has been reduced to FOMC with image power, but lame duck authority s far as what i have read. BRICS and Arab nations are tired of "waiting for crumbs from world Bank."
[ArizonaHeat] The Federal Open Market Committee, a committee within the Federal Reserve System, has always and still to this day hold power over just about every single power in the world, the US dollar is the most sought out reserve any place
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat is Shabs about to say "go?'
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH not untill things with Maliki are resolved
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[wittsend] ArizonaHeat Would a Chinese threat for dumping their vast T-bill holdings cause the UST some hellacious heartburn?
[*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat then, If Shab does not say "go" to Lagarde (waiting for what happens to Maliki) then no matter how ready are the banks the RV will be on "hold"...
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend no then we would do a trade embargo and destroy that country, no more made in china in US, they wouldnt last 90 days
[ArizonaHeat] *Pearlnoir yes
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat so, this weekend IS out?
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH as far as ive heard, yes
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat That would be difficult to enforce on the short term side.
[*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat then, again, we waiting everytime to the rates to go "live" will depend on Shabs and Maliki...
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH BRIC is a grouping that refers to the countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China, dont worry too much about them when it comes to pushing the Feds around
[sonnayhwh] ArizonaHeat - But I thought Maliki was the puppet regime of the US. Have we lost control of him, iyo?
[ArizonaHeat] sonnayhwh i think we have in a small way, but here is the thing, we can put you in power, and we can take you out, Maliki is not willing to let go of something he never had, kinda silly
[ArizonaHeat] *Pearlnoir there is no live rate AT ALL untill the IMF and the BIS give out the information to world banks
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat Which is to say that, while it may be a threat, the T-bill dump would be over and done long before an embargo would have effect.
[*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat I understand... It's the frenzy with the banks that make me mad! The high hopes...
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat ...and would set the world's banking system on its ear, would it not?
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend well, it will never happen. so we dont need to fret on that one
[perwinkle] ArizonaHeat and so the ASN really is not that way, this that you are telling us today makes so much more sense thank you sir.
[ArizonaHeat] perwinkle no the ASN or any hour now is just nonsense
wittsend] ArizonaHeat While I'm hopeful that you are correct, this game may be played at a higher level than was originally intended or thought of right now.
[ArizonaHeat] wittsend look it like this, (this will sound wierd) we have nukes, so does china and russia, who will ever fire first? no one
[*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat your information explain that there is no "hold ups", no "glitches" no need of intel to be silent to "stop" the RV... Is just a matter of time with Iraq to solve their things...
[wirelessguy] ArizonaHeat You are assuming that all are sane.
[sonnayhwh] ArizonaHeat - So, iyo, what is the thresh-hold that the world can no longer wait for the Iraqi drama to unfold and forces the issue, or is there one?
[ArizonaHeat] wirelessguy lol
[perwinkle] ArizonaHeat om goodness thank you so much, now I can go on living my life and let this RV come when it may, the last 2 months has been a horrible journey with them telling us ASN, undo stress on so many people, so I thank you from the bottom of my heart...so glad to be here with you and your family
wittsend] You gotta wonder why someone hasn't stepped up to "take care of" the Maliki problem.
[4shore] ArizonaHeat didn't we hear months ago that Maliki signed off on everything?
[Rollercoaster] wittsend I have thought the same thing for awhile. You would think if M was the real problem he would have been dealt with already.
[ArizonaHeat] 4shore he did, the original was signed, he is unwilling to sign the official document that will enact the the erbil agreement he signed back in 2010
[*Pearlnoir] wittsend I think Maliki is a "necessary evil"... they need Him for some unknown reason...
[ArizonaHeat] *Pearlnoir there are no hold up as far as a GOI, or powers to be, we have an Erbil agreement signed, but Maliki unwilling to sign the final document to enact this agreement. He is going against his own word. the words we and other leaders agreed upon years ago. He is a desperate man doing some very dumb things. we shall see how this all plays out very soon.
[4shore] ArizonaHeat thx...is he going out in a Limo or hearse?
[ArizonaHeat] 4shore i do think one of the two is very possible.
RUENORTH] ArizonaHeat Surprised his own people/gov haven't eliminated Maliki
[ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH the thing is there are a lot of people in Iraq that love Maliki
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat i dont think we'll hear or know about the signing(if he does ) till after it rvs
[ArizonaHeat] brsuperduty very true
[brsuperduty] i expect judging from kuwait rv we'll hear some big big news right before the rv and then after, find out its not true, as in the kuwait pres was assasinated, then found out it wasn’t true
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat Totally agree with you on everything except one thing. I do believe that the Erbil 5 WILL go ahead with a N/C vote if Maliki doesn't cave on Erbil. Yes Maliki is a Shiite and has his constitutenty, but with the N/A backing Jaffari and Sadr in the mix, I don't see this as a bluff.
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat Tell me why I'm wrong.
ArizonaHeat] Austin-Powers-For-PM you may be right, its all up in the air at this point. like i said the next few days will be tense
[sonnayhwh] ArizonaHeat - Do you think the US courting Barzani is real, or just show?
[ArizonaHeat] sonnayhwh real
Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat Fact is that the military won't help him as most of the officers are American trained and are indoctranated to stay out of politics. Jaffari will keep the population cool as he is a fellow Shiite and N/A member, and Nujafi knows without Erbil or an N/C vote that everything will stall.
[ArizonaHeat] see i told you i would get in trouble rofl
[sonnayhwh] ArizonaHeat - Nah, you're good. Best discussion I've seen in some time. Thank you!
TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat I know banks want this RV and they control everything, as has been proven with the mortgage fiasco, but what about our gov?
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat I guess you'll have to go into your "Time out corner." lol
[ArizonaHeat] Austin-Powers-For-PM this is true, but also remember that the Iraqi people, not all thats for sure, do like Maliki, this in its self will divide the country. the new leader or PM will have his hands full of violence and uncertanty. I believe that Maliki would want the N/C vote to go out the martyr and be welcome back to Iran with open arms.
[perwinkle] ArizonaHeat so it is the truth that the banks are ready for us to cash in and that they have their staff trained ready to go and they just await the RV to drop on the front screens is this true?
[ArizonaHeat] perwinkle they have always been ready, they have prob. made arangments or prepared for high volume of people
[ArizonaHeat] Austin-Powerss-Powers-For-PM im in the corner with my nose to the wall
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat welcomed back to Iran, ha ha ha might as well paint a bullseye on your shirt rofl
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat But also remember that if Sadr gives full confidence to a new PM (Jaffari) and there is an aggressive campaign from all the Shiite parties (except of course the SLC), then there is probably a good chance that this will keep things under control. People want services, and a new PM Will have a much better chance to deliver on those than Maliki ever could.
[wittsend] ArizonaHeat Clearly, this has been the best discussion I've seen on here in quite awhile. I appreciate the time you've spent.
ArizonaHeat] Austin-Powers-For-PM true, we can hope that they can educate the masses as quick as possible to keep order, once they show they show the Iraqi people he signed the Erbil long ago and refused to enact it, it will go over much better
[sonnayhwh] ArizonaHeat - Historically, there is more animosity between Shiites and Sunni then Muslim and the West. Barzani would shift the powerbase towards the Kurds which would indeed upset the apple cart between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Sure hope they get this done quickly!
[ArizonaHeat] sonnayhwh very true
brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat plusif the new pm starts makin things look good for the ppl right away (rv) he'll be a hero if done right
*Pearlnoir] ArizonaHeat could treats make Maliki to step down? Like some bellydancers... A toaster!!!
[ArizonaHeat] *Pearlnoir a toaster for sure rofl
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat That is exactly what I'm betting on. The population is not stupid, and they see that the corruption of the SLC and Maliki has restricted progress. Once they realize how corrupt Maliki has been, they will accept a N/C however much they may have liked Maliki.
[sonnayhwh] perwinkle - I had a visit with a PB at WF yesterday that reinforced to me what your perspective is. They are trained, ready, and more expectant than we are!
[4shore] ArizonaHeat some have said we are waiting on the PP's and WGS packages to be implemented...what are your thoughts on this? Thx.
[ArizonaHeat] Austin-Powers-For-PM we can only hope, oh ya and pray
[ArizonaHeat] 4shore oh my you dont want my opinion on that
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat Indeed, and I will keep praying.
collie] ArizonaHeat I found it interesting, do you think that may be some of the hold up as they need it in the banking world?
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat Indeed, and I will keep praying.
[4shore] ArizonaHeat I think we are on the same page with that!
collie] ArizonaHeat my friend read to me where they are working very hard to get the fiber optics up in Iraq esp. for high speed internet.
[ArizonaHeat] collie ask your self this, did they have any problems going from 1170 to 1161 in the banking world? there by making it just as simple to go from 1160 to .23 or what ever, please dont quote me on that rate ill never hear the end of it lol but thats how easy it will be
[Rollercoaster] it is amazing that it is over 2 years now since the March 2010 elections that Iraq still does not have a stable GOI.
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat is it safe to say...that your views differ from dinar wishs and BWM???
[collie] ArizonaHeat I would never quote you and thank you for the answer. I guess the question would be then is it a problem for the citizens to do their banking and is it one step closer to educating them on this new way to do business?
[ArizonaHeat] chillimac we talk on a daily basis, two to three times a day, we have the same views at times and very different ones also
[TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat ArizonaHeat I know banks want this RV and they control everything, as has been proven with the mortgage fiasco, but what about our gov?
ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH goverment gains mass amounts of cheap oil to sell to producers at market prices, they stand to make trillions
TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat That's what I kept saying...it is all about the oill credits...shouldn't that create a high RV?
[perwinkle] sonnayhwh thank you so much, I just feel I have to filter through what I have been told and now what the truth is...but when you r told not to seek outside a room for your own truth because of so much smoke out there you tend to stay and get spoon feed, so this is so refreshing. TY
[sonnayhwh] perwinkle - I sure understand how you feel. By and large I visit different rooms not for the chat, but for info, and listen to anyone that will share a reasonable perspective. My conclusion is: this is real, and this is very near. Hang in there!
[wittsend] TRUENORTH My sense of this is that while the banks are imporant players, politics both national and international, continue to play a huge role and will continue to "control" events in the short-term re a RV. Just my take.
[chillimac] ArizonaHeat no , i can get bumed on bwm,...sometimes on dinar wishs,...but , an i dont mean this disrespectful, but your views are different, an with you i am back to square 1, reading articles again, an i know you have good contact, i just dont see how they can all be so different
ay 12 12:06 PM [4shore] sonnayhwh There is a clear distinction between the two camps...we are waiting for Iraq or...it is out of Iraq's hands.
May 12 12:06 PM [ArizonaHeat] TRUENORTH im looking at nothing more than high 3's low 4's
May 12 12:06 PM [wittsend] TRUENORTH That would be my understanding, but then I'm not a guru.
May 12 12:07 PM [ArizonaHeat] SecretSquirrel call BWM and DinarWishews to get thier behinds in here, i need back up lol
May 12 12:07 PM [Austin-Powers-For-PM] chillimac It's sort of like looking at an accident from different angles. One person on one corner says what happened, and a person on the oppositie corner gives a totally different account. Same accident, different perspective
[sonnayhwh] 4shore - Yes, and the in-between in full of the tense unknown! But I wonder if somehow the two scenarios are not actually running parallel, and someone "else" is acutally behind the curtain!
May 12 12:07 PM [SecretSquirrel] they are probably watching and laughing too...if you are here...they don't have to be lol
May 12 12:07 PM [wittsend] Great discussion, sorry I have to go.
May 12 12:08 PM [Austin-Powers-For-PM] ArizonaHeat How true. But your also telling me that I'm not going to get a $42.00 rate? Oh my the world has come to an end....... lol lol
May 12 12:08 PM [4shore] sonnayhwh I think you are on the money. I do beleive there is another player behind the curtain.
May 12 12:08 PM [TRUENORTH] ArizonaHeat wittsend It makes sense to me thatwe are paying for the oil and the gov has a set price. The higher that is paid for the RV, the more oil credits
[*Pearlnoir] Austin-Powers-For-PM the rate should be $89.98... The $42 were without the anguish and suffering throughout these 8 years...roflmao
[Austin-Powers-For-PM] 4shore And that would be the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz, because because because because, because of the wonderful things he does.
onnayhwh] 4shore - At the highest levels it's about power/control. I still wonder if it's being determined which road (economic relief vs. collapse) will serve their agenda best. . . but perhaps that discussion is for another place and time! :)
[raven1111] ArizonaHeat Thank you very much for coming in with us this morning! Hugs
[ArizonaHeat] raven1111 no prob.
[brsuperduty] ArizonaHeat have a good day