Reader Thoughts on “PrimNomics – The First Division” By JC Collins
irrelevant111>>>> Wonderful piece. Man continues to be driven by Ego. There are few that see. Our hope is that some men of power can maintain some semblance of balance. Russo/China appear to be a hope for now.
JC Collins>>>> China and Russia do not offer any hope. They are a part of the same system. Sorry to disagree pal.
Ozymandias 3>>> Russia and Cina are by no means ‘hope’. This two ‘countries’ are victims of the same cabal of Shylocks bankers or agents of evil vainly attempt to separate themselves and take control. Either means or ways, they are NOT to be followed.
deejj87>>>> I feel like my brain just had an intense workout reading this post. Definetly will read multiple times to grasp more depth behind the ideas presented.
It reminded me of how tribes were the social trust (vertex) point. As the world consolidates in many ways, the internet has provided a means of dividing the smaller social trusts and fragmenting tribes/families from the strength of their collective.
More people shift globally into a melting pot of increasing social sameness, losing much of what held their originating vertex points together. There is the saying “united we stand, divided we fall”.
However, this fragmentation of social scattering is forcing the individual to move from increasing hyper fragmentation to inner consolidation. Not everybody will collectively seek oneness within, but with more of a push away from our tribal vortex, our individual consolidation to perhaps create an individual trust or vertex point is just as rapidly unfolding.
The grand man may be the individual vertex point, the black cube. These new vertex points may then pull individuals towards them as a means of creating new social trusts that balance the transfer of economic production.
These are just initial thought. **** good post!
JC Collins>>>> Dee, I never doubted for a second that you wouldn’t be able to not only understand it, but expand on it. No one person can be a complete vertex point, but there’s tremendous value accumulated as we individually attempt to move in that direction. You are very close friend.
irrelevant111>>>> Then I offer who does? The flight from Petro dollar n migration eastward is one to consider. All are in bed w one another in some respect. Not seeing the bear n dragon doing much in ME other than closed doors. Time will tell my friend.
JC Collins>>>> We offer our own hope.
Roger Parness>>>> The engineered fragmentation has already been found ineffective. The microcosm or aware individual is awake to this now.
We, the particles of the World Wide Web can now sense the entirety. We are the wave of change already evolved. The new vertex forms even as the inbred devolve. Decay.
It all appears rather nebulous looking outward from the new center. The new is nonetheless forming about us like a nova destined to replace the old defective crown.
Thefourthobserver>>>> By incest you mean voluntary limited interaction inside a group? Or more specifically person to person interactions over person group <. person interactions?
If I read this correctly you are generally suggesting decentralisation. This increases efficiency of interactions by cutting the elites vig.
If I'm following… I looked in to this a few years back when trying to understand bitcoin. I ended up ,looking in to things like this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_currency .
The result of my investigation and pondering was that arbitrary creation of Time\Effort was the problem. You can work for money, with the work type\volume pricing that value.
However, imbalances are created where a person can accumulate time\effort greater than their possible productive output. This happens faster in systems where units are created centrally, but even gold centralised.
What we need is a system by which each individual must extend personal 'credit'. My helping a neighbour in town re-string his fence I have offered labour and gained positive credits, however by grabbing a bottle of milk and bread on the way home I lose credits. Balance is found around zero. This finds the individual neither used, nor using others.
I set about this investigation many years ago because I saw that running an exponential monetary system in a physical world will cause the monetary system to detach from the physical one at some point.
But how to run a non interest based system was the question. The biggest insight to this is that our money systems are merely abstract. we are all here, and are the ones creating software and building buildings. It's not as if we're not capable of this without an elite. We have done just fine without the Kings.
JC Collins>>>> There will be 12 parts to this series so its premature to make any conclusions. And decentralization is not a major component of the theory. Incest is used in the sexual context, as in inbreeding.
makanda62958>>>> The fragmentation you mention calls to mind Mandelbrot fractals. They are both mathematically and visually quite beautiful.
Then what is called to mind is the story (which is not at all from the bible as I first thought) about the archangel being cast from the heaven of infinite possibility onto the sheet of white paper, blam, which is a dot, for having threatened (god with) some competition.
Here on earth is where there is a struggle to maintain physical existence in the form of time and work socialized in a context of competition. Infinite possibility by definition cannot exist on earth. But we try.
“With a lack of understanding in regards to this balance, both ends of the spectrum pull and push harder which serves to stretch the vertex, or point where micro and macro intersect.”
The real HEAD of what was spawned in the need for survival on this planet is a dynamic of the intersection of time + labor which contemplates trust in the context of competition. So nations form.
The trust is corrupted by competition and elites form and consolidate through incest (to captivate wealth through usury). But this consolidation is to be released through recognition of the vertex and changing it by means of improved communication and evolution absolving the need for nations and other forms of consolidation (elites).
Evolution follows devolution.
I am trying to learn and understand through paraphrasing. Not at all sure if I get it and will be rereading this one again a couple more times. I cannot wait to read the next installment and like where you are going.
JC Collins>>>> That’s an excellent summary.
aamichael666>>>> Endogamy sure is a good way to create a social trust network, but having personally read many books about elite families such as the Rothschilds, I can’t help but wonder how deep the internal frictions are within. Many a black sheep found ‘suicided’ I find.
The system of Adam Weishaupt is actually quite interesting. When one gets right into the meat of his original writings, the system he was actually training his underlings to create and support was actually pure Anarchy.
In its purest sense, Anarchy can be an extreme form of self perpetuating social fragmentation.
The French Revolution is a great example. Good histories of the French Revolution reveal that cultural pessimism and an extreme form of paranoia (and an enormous amount of conspiracy theories) took hold, which prevented a stable government from forming.
As this void continued, people became more and more receptive to accept a saviour figure, and they ended up with Napoleon. Napoleon was an Orwellian figure par excellence.
Deep in the back of the Revolution however, working through the Duke of Orleans and his Masonic clique, was the crypto-synarchist group which I am sure was an outgrowth of Adam Weishaupt and J.J.C.Bode.
This crypto-synarchist element would be equivalent to your Vertex, and the system of Anarchy they were promulgating was the force you speak about which tries to resist geometric form.
The success of this particular Vertex relied heavily on the progress of the anarchy, which is quite the paradox (Ordo Ab Chao). This was as such a hidden Crown, to be externalized at a future date as all the other Crowns were consumed by ‘the Anarchy’. Poor Louis XVI had no chance against this system, its leaders were invisible; under Athena’s helmet.
Where is the balance between a righteous Crown and a malevolent self serving Crown? To me there should be no balance, just righteousness, but then utopians are dangerous, as Marx demonstrated. Still, I see a chaos forming in the world that will lead to the point of unravelling.
As Aristotle said in regards to every Tragedy;
“Every tragedy falls into two parts,—Complication and Unravelling or Denouement. Incidents extraneous to the action are frequently combined with a portion of the action proper, to form the Complication; the rest is the Unravelling.
By the Complication I mean all that extends from the beginning of the action to the part which marks the turning-point to good or bad fortune. The Unravelling is that which extends from the beginning of the change to the end.”
– Poetics, Chapter 18.
We are approaching this unravelling point, and a system offering a false Vertex (a bad foundation) is going to try to take advantage of this chaos, just as Napoleon did in the late 18th Century; in fact they have fuelled it specifically for this reason IMO.
Look forward to this series. Creating a balance in economics has always been the dream of dreamers :P no criticism intended, but it’s quite the project, I have spent many a late night awake thinking of the same dilemma. How to fight dragons and build castles at the same time … challenging.
nanook73>>>> JC – great piece. Had to read it twice to wrap my head around it. Excited to read the next one.
Have been preaching to friends and family for years that the monetary system is rigged – that it robs us of the one thing we cannot replace – our time. The relationship between labour, time and “money” is lost on most folks.
I think that if the masses were to be made aware of the nature of this relationship as you spell it out they would be very upset with the arrangement as it currently sits. Keep up the great work. Nanook
Kbnow>>>> Great read. As we witness this tug of war from the two respective sides, I still believe individuality and new solutions should win the day.
Hopefully from the ashes will be born something new of evolution and not revolution ending up back at the same starting point. I now see where you are going with the new solutions that have yet to be contemplated.
Perhaps a system with a means of non-debt and non consolidation of wealth, time and labor, to the top of these respective hierarchical structures? Should be quite a journey!
Dripfood>>>>> Very callenging piece JC. To be honest, I couldn’t really grasp the central point you are conveying. You shift so quickly between dynamic and static concepts and between concrete examples and the abstract.
Vertex. I thought that was a point that doesn’t lay between two other points, like the end or beginning of a line or an apex? Do you use it here synonimous to intersection point, startingpoint, meetingpoint or more as a transition point?
Sorry for my thickness…
JC Collins>>>> The point where two or more geometric shapes intersect.
Roger Parness>>>> Start with a Jubilee. Then move to credit unions (local system). Out of the shadows. Full banking transparency. No secrets, No secrets. No secrets.
Were men to stand, free of corruption, on principle and integrity, they might finance benevolently.
Usury is treason to humanity.
“Just remember this, Mr. Potter, that this rabble you’re talking about… they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community.
Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath? Anyway, my father didn’t think so. People were human beings to him. But to you, a warped, frustrated old man, they’re cattle”
George Bailey ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’