Tlar & Friends Discussion - Post Brought From Currency Chatter
Tlar: Thank you KUANYIN. I was very hopeful that I would only have to put out the last two emails after Jubouri became the POP.
This has dragged on a little longer than anybody had hoped it would due to the SOL.
It is going great but it has been complicated by the fact the SOL is still clinging to Maliki even though they know Maliki is unelectable, creating necessary steps and strategies along the way by Jubouri that have taken a little longer than it should have.
In a parliamentary system, if a party knows they have a candidate that can't form a political majority, they normally back out or change horses.
Tlar Continues: The SOL leadership has done neither which tells me they are so deep in crimes they can't under any circumstance do anything more than continue to attempt to stall the process pushing all dates, the RV included back about a week.
They can't let the process continue until it is finished or they lose power and stand to face the music for their crimes. It is not love of Maliki they are doing this I assure you. It is to save their own butts.
It has required some fancy footwork by Jubouri to get this far but he has just supplied the winning piece to the coalition..
Thank god he seems to be smarter than the SOL leadership and Maliki himself when it comes to parliamentary procedure.
It is my belief had Nujaifi been re-elected we would have been waiting months just to get as far as we are. Because of Jubouri wee are now looking at completed government only days from now. Hats off to Jubouri. Tlar
BlueyesinLevis: Maliki Jabouri: If I challenge al-Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in Parliament July 26, 2014 BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))
A source close to the Parliament Speaker Salim al-Maliki told him if he defies Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in parliament.
-The source told ((eighth day)) that al-Maliki met with al-Jubouri morning at the parliament building and told him that he defies Jaafari if announced that the National Alliance is the largest bloc in parliament, adding that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament and the President of the Republic Fuad Masum, the assigned to form the next government
- The source added that al-Maliki also stressed that the paper bearing his signature and prove that the National Alliance is the largest bloc is worthless paper
The State of Law coalition has announced that that the Federal Court acknowledged that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament, which was denied by the spokesman of the court Abdul Sattar Bayraktar, stressing that the Federal Court did not issue such a statement.
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BlueyesinLevis: This is what al-Maliki request of the President of the Republic of Iraq
[This is what al-Maliki request of the President of the Republic of Iraq ... 15:06 26/07/2014
-Summoned outgoing Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki after breakfast on Friday Chairman of the Federal Court Medhat al-Mahmoud and his two deputies and asked them to find a way out fast and urgently to ensure the third term to him after the issuance of a permit serious and important reference includes clearly a warning to owners through its call to politicians for not adhering to positions.
-According to informed sources, has told al-Maliki, Medhat al-Mahmoud possibility that this statement reference Introduction to issue a fatwa to prevent al-Maliki of the third term.
-The between-Mahmoud, the absence of any legal way out of this thing, but only one case which the president-elect Fuad Masum, commissioned by al-Maliki to form a government as the largest bloc of state law.
-And afterwards contact Maliki the president Fuad Masum, asking him to issue an order of reference, but the infallible apologized for that, but after returning to the political authorities and waiting in whether there is a new political alliances.
-Masum said he could not issue a mandate until after the end of the holiday, what irritated Maliki, who said that he is not for what became the president of the republic and the credit goes to him, Barham Salih, the exclusion from the competition for the presidency.
-Having despaired of Maliki infallible, face a stern talk to Medhat al-Mahmoud and his two deputies and asked them to find a way out fast and urgently to cut the road to reference issued a fatwa, or public statement precludes obtaining the third term, according to sources.
BlueyesinLevis Tobyboy wrote: -The way I read this he is asking Mahmoud to find quickly a way to present him & his State of Law as the governing body for Prime Minister to insure his 3rd term.
believe that Mahmoud says only legal way is for the new President to declare Maliki as the new PM.
He is pi$ed that Masum won't comment to anyone until after Eid because he the reason he obtained the Iraq president of republic.
So Maliki needs do this quickly before anyone else tries take the PM position. of any public statement. I also believe he wants do this before any statements come from the religlious leader. ~ TB
Moonman1963: 7-26-14 Reuters: Iraq's most influential Shiite cleric urged political leaders on Friday to refrain from clinging to their posts - an apparent reference to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who has defied demands that he step aside.
Speaking through an aide who delivered a sermon after Friday prayers in the holy city of Karbala, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani said leaders should show flexibility so that political deadlocks could be broken and Iraq could confront an insurgency.
Maliki has come under mounting pressure since Sunni militants led by the hardline Islamic State swept across northern Iraq last month and seized vast swathes of territory, posing the biggest challenge to Maliki's Shi'ite-led government since U.S. forces withdrew in 2011.
Critics say Maliki is a divisive figure whose alienation of Sunnis has fueled sectarian hatred and played into the hands of the insurgents, who have reached to within 70 km (45 miles) of the capital Baghdad.
Sistani said it is time for politicians to think of Iraq's interests, not their own. "The sensitivity of this phase necessitates that all the parties concerned should have a spirit of national responsibility that requires the practice of the principle of sacrifice and self-denial and not to cling to positions and posts."
--Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin
BlueyesinLevis: Reform Movement confirms that the National Alliance still refuses to Maliki's nomination for a third term
-Members of the National Alliance, during a regular meeting 26/07/2014 12:33
-Tomorrow's Press / Baghdad: spokesman the National Reform Movement MP Ahmad Jamal, Saturday, that the National Alliance is still rejects the nomination of Nuri al-Maliki for prime minister a third term, pointing out that the coalition will present its candidate for the job within 15 days and will invest the holiday to discuss and intensify dialogues to settle the matter .
-Said Jamal's "Tomorrow's Press", "The components of the National Alliance unresolved after its candidate for prime minister and still the old problems exist on the nomination of Nuri al-Maliki for this position," noting that "the State of Law insists on its candidate Maliki for prime minister on the other hand there is opposition within the components of the alliance National Maliki other person. "
-He added that "the National Alliance is committed to Palmdd on resolving the issue of constitutional government, especially as he is interested in its formation and will present its candidate for prime minister during the first 15 days less than this period and will invest the holiday to discuss and intensify dialogues to resolve the matter."
-A spokesman for the Reform Movement, which is headed by the President of the National Alliance, Ibrahim al-Jaafari that "religious reference in his Friday sermon stressed and stressed the importance of not cling to power and attention and to provide for the interest of the country and the people on the personal political interests," adding that "the call reference will be reflected positively on the National Alliance to choose Candidate for the post of prime minister. "
-Referred to the National Alliance agreed definitively to be the prime ministerial candidate of a coalition of state law now that he is different from the candidate for the job.
-The president of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki, new in (the fourth of July 2014 Current) adherence to run for third term, amid worsening opposition to the majority of political forces Therefore, most notably the Sadrists, and a coalition of citizens, and the Kurdistan Alliance and the Union of the national forces, as well as a coalition of national led by Iyad Allawi.
Aaanth: he sounds more and more desperate. man, even his pocket judge told him to go begging. so, from what i read hear, there will be a new PM before the end of the holiday?? is that right? anyone?
--there is no higher reality than the truth...
Aaanth: '... So Maliki needs do this quickly before anyone else tries take the PM position. of any public statement.'
Can you tell me what this means? who can just take the PM by a public statement? obviously "public statement" means something more than what it means in our language anyone know what this is referring to? there is no higher reality than the truth...
BlueyesinLevis: From reading Tlar and Country Gal and others.. I think if Joubari, Hakim, and the Coalition move soon.. they can pretty quickly declare a new PM... and the minute they do.. Maliki , as "Caretaker Prime Minister" is suddenly "retired".
-Interesting theory Country Gal had.. is that the new PoR, Masum, can simply call for a Vote of No Confidence in Maliki.. and he could be done away with that way as well.
-Yeah.. Nouri is getting desperate... which is all because he so desperatly wants to remain in power.. when all he really has to do is fly off to Paraguay and go live in some dead escaped Nazi SS officer's old estate.
Tlar: BlueyesinLevis, Interesting theory for sure but I don't think it holds water. Maliki is an interim PM at this time ahead of a caretaker government. I don't think they can call for a vote of no confidence.
I could be wrong but I can't see how a head of a caretaker government can be held to the same accountability and standards as a PM.
I am sure that there are legal issues involved and no doubt he would drag this into court on some grounds we don't know about. The time for that has passed.
The best way is to quickly hold a vote before Maliki can confuse the issue by threatening to kill the judge or his family to make him put out a rule that Maliki's party is the biggest block and the only one with the right to choose the next government.
That's more what I am afraid of because that would further delay and confuse this issue. tlar
Rainbowrow: since Jabouri has sent a formal letter to Masoom saying that the National Alliance is the largest block-seems as though they are on the way to a very quick vote IMO
Rjmo: For the life of me... I cannot figure out why nobody has taken this S.O.B out!... there must be some people willing to give up their own lives in an attempt.. I mean... that's how they roll over there... I'm not condoning it, nor am I against it.. I'm just saying... I don't get it...
Kathy: It appears the President has already made his position clear.
President of the Republic: the National Alliance is the largest bloc and not the rule of law
Agency eighth dayJuly 26, 2014 BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))
According to a source familiar with in Baghdad, on Saturday, that the President of the Republic, Fuad Masum, answer a request by Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki, provides for the declaration of state law, a number of the largest bloc in the House of Representatives, and has the right to form the next government.