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Notes by FlPatriot59 at I4U:
T = TONY | C = CALLER
TONY - Good evening, TNT! I absolutely ready to do this call. [TONY is sharing how a TNT member, , put Tony's number on Facebook and asked people to call him, because he thinks he knows more than Tony and others on the boards.
TONY - Last night several different countries were trying to negotiate some things at the last minute… It was finally completed and signed last night and we thought we'd see the 800#s. What we did see is that the IMF said "we're not bluffing" and they released they outside the USA.
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That was NOT the plan.
Since that time I've gotten one UST source that they are doing it together. The rate was absolutely released as an international rate at 3.85. It is currently live in Chile, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Australia, France, Belgium and Kuwait. There are people in those countries exchanging their dinar.
T - Call centers are back at their call centers. At least 2 of them have notified us that the 800#s will be released. Some say by tonight because of the other countries and we have to play catch-up. When those rates reach their banks here in the USA we have an option to go there and cashout. I would think our guys want to get this going so those other countries get our dinar and we lose the oil credits.
T - We have confirmations all over DC that this is happening. I just don't have an hour when it will actually happen, but they are prepared. They will be even more prepared when west coast banks close. None of that matters now. Whether it was IMF alone or with the UST, the rate is out there. Our $32 rate is now being called a contract rate. Some wanted us to get that rate, others didn't.
T - Why would our gov't put that out there if they didn't want us to have it? Some on the boards are saying this. There was another call elsewhere telling people the rates will come out at .50 because the rich people don't want us to be rich and influence the gov't. Really? At .50 there's going to be a lot of millionaires who can influence. We'll still be the middle-class rich. We know in Iraq the rate is $3.44 and is being changed to 3.85, which we discussed weeks ago.
T - They don't use the USD anymore and they've been briefed. They get 3.44 when they go outside their country. All these other countries have 3.44 too. But we're the country who went over there, sacrificed our military with boots on the ground. And they'll get 5-6 times what we get, according to this other intel-provider? That's garbage. It doesn't make any sense.
[FLPatriot59] T - I like that somebody actually stood up and made it live and said "we are doing this." They can't take it back. The smaller countries with basic banking systems went immediately. The more sophisticated banking systems are taking a little more time. They're saying they've waited long enough. The minimum we're getting when it goes international is 3.85.
T - I wanted to wait and get info about other things we're hearing, like if you take the 3.85 because it started outside the country we may not have to do the NDA. I'm still trying to find that out. I don't really know but most people think if you take that rate you may not have to do the NDA. If you take the contract rate there's still some controversy regarding the NDA with that rate. There is debate about where that contract rate starts - I don't have the info, even though it's going live.
T - What I'm getting right now is the rate for the IQD is minimum $5 and $1.16 for the VND, if we don't get the contract rates or something else.
T - We don't know what the contract rates will be. Per a text I just received from Ray - he's probably right. I shouldn't have said some things but sometimes enough is enough. Our intel team brings things right out of the meetings. When people constantly attack our credibility, consistenly saying we're lying, etc. I have to respond. They're trying their best because intel changes by the hour. In fact today it changed several times.
Q&A FROM CHAT ROOM:
Q - Is this the dinar and dong and not the GCR? A - This is all we're seeing but the others should follow. We're waiting to find out.
Q - Will our rates be the same as the elite? A - As far as I know you are right. That was part of last night's agreement. The UST was supposed to be the one to announce this and put it out. Apparently something else happened outside that meeting and everybody is running around helter-skelter trying to figure out what's next. The bank and call center people are there. Conflicting info is that the 800#s will be out tonight or within 24 hours after they figure this out. UST source says "we're doing this together."
Q - If the CBI has released it how can the dealers still sell? A - They haven't changed the site yet. Until they see the rates on Forex they'll keep selling, until the rates are visible to the public they'll keep selling.
Q - What about taxes for CE at dealers vs. banks? A - I have no idea on what the tax situation will be. I'm preparing for the worst (50%).
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LIVE CALL-IN STARTING NOW. T = TONY | C = CALLER
T - If/when we deposit into a US bank making millions, what is your feeling about putting it all in one account. T - At the initial exchange it's all going in one account. When you meet later with your PB or WM you can set up other accounts. I'm okay if you put $40M in one account and move it later. That should be fine. I still don't know the timeframe with cashier's checks. It may take longer to process them, so check with your bank.
C - I plan to diversify to 5 banks, but the initial deposit is what I was concerned about. Interest or non-interest-bearing? T - There are 5M people looking to get this done. I'm putting into interest-bearing accounts.
C - This is a roller coaster that's insane. I'm not superfantastic today. I'm frustrated. What hope really is there that this will happen before Christmas? T - I think it's really happening right now. We're supposed to see it and supposed to have it. They're bringing in the bank people and it's supposed to go. Per DC, I can say this: everybody is trying to get over on everybody else, making the best deals, where can I take advantage, etc.? At some point, like now, they say "wait a minute: they pulled one over on us."
T - Here's the deal: China put together a deal with the groups. That deal got screwed up a little bit. So the inital course of action wasn't as it should have been. They were supposed to get one rate and us another rate. However, now that everybody is on the same rate they feel they offered too much. It's still in motion, even though they're saying it's done or not done. At the last minute, even with the rates live, somebody still wants something else done.
T - We're giving you in-the-moment, today info. We have verified that the $3.85 is a live rate in several countries. So we know it is an international rate, it's just a matter of when it will come to us. This morning at 5AM there was a signed agreement and I expected the 800#s. It's for real and it's live. DC - Bottom line is that we've never had it showing up in 7 different countries as a live rate, never had announcements in Iraq with parties in the streets, never had the world tell us "we're going" and they actually go. T - This time it wasn't a bluff and they actually did it. DC - Washington, DC was taken aback by this. This caught a lot of people flat-footed in a good way for us.
C - We've heard for the last 3 weeks that "they're in the call centers, security is called in, etc." Who's paying for all of that? T - The UST is paying one bank and the others will make it up. The difference between today and the past 72 hours is that the meetings took place, signed agreements, and the IMF made it international in 7 countries and it continues to roll out. They're doing it a country at a time and uploading it themselves. That's why we're having the problems we have.
C - Do all the banks have to have the same rates? T - No. However, if you go in and try to negotiate they'll put you at the end of the line. No negotiating. Their sole purpose is to get you to leave your money there. You can negotiate the bank fees/spreads. But the rates should be competitive.
C - Is the UST supposed to release to us? What about the IMF? T - The UST was supposed to release it to the world so it would go through the system. But because the IMF is releasing it it's taking longer through their system because it's a different way. I don't know what it does to the system. But they've been scrambling since this morning to get this done, possibly tonight, because everyone else is getting it manually from the IMF. Nobody expected this, thinking they were bluffing. This morning somebody said "enough is enough."
T - We are just waiting on the 800#s so we can go to the bank. I'm getting timeframes as we speak. Hopefully tonight they're expecting it to be it. We should wake up to it in the morning. I don't know if we will, but we should.
C - Can I transfer funds at the main appointment? T - You've got 20 minutes, so don't plan on opening 4-5 accounts. They are being timed. The call center has 2 minutes to make your appointment. Go to the location they assign you to then you can go to your local branch afterwards and transfer among other accounts.
C - If there is a contract rate, per Stage2Omega, for those of us needing immediate cash at the lower rates there may be traps that will disqualify us from the larger rates. Any info about that? T - there are no traps of any form or fashion. No one will stop you from cashing out at any place. You aren't getting the US contract rate at a foreign bank. They are not going to call WF or another bank and tell them not to let you cash out.
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T - Since the IMF released it and it's international the NDA might not be enforceable, or could just be for the contract rate. If the UST does its release tonight all of them should go.
T - If the IQN is live right now, or goes live in our country, would you really care when they do the VNN, if you can buy as much as you want? That's why I think they'll release them together.
T - We have info coming from a bunch of different sources, IMF, UST, banks, and they're hearing the questions and coming back with responses. You're not getting that anywhere else. I give credit to our team.
C - Will the ZIM be in the same basket? T - They are all scheduled to go at the same time. However, the IQN went today and the others didn't and we don't know why. Hopefully somebody listening can find out and tell us.
C - Earlier today you said there's a bank where you can cashout at .07. T - We redid the numbers and 1 $25K note = $17. But that rate was different this morning. That particular bank had a different live buy rate. Sometimes we get it wrong - not my fault, it's Rays - LOL!
C - What's the procedure for those of us who don't have much dinar? T - My understanding, what we've been told, is that you can cashout a $25K note in a branch without calling an 800#. They may give you a pamphlet and tell you to call for an appointment. But you can walk in a branch and probably just do your exchange.
C - What about those who don't have any accounts anywhere? T - Choose a bank carefully, walk in and deposit it. They'll open an account for you.
C - When we go to the bank do we ask for the IQN or the contract rate? T - Supposedly if you call the 800# they'll schedule you for the contract rate. This morning nobody expected that. Right now today they're running around changing things to get prepared. We're still trying to get answers because things have changed. When we hear the RV is live and the 800#s are released, we'll do this again.
C - Does Mr. DC know if the budget bill includes the new tax rate? T - He does not know.
T - Hopefully this will happen in the middle of the night so we can talk all about it before the banks open. Hopefully we'll have some leeway. They've always said they wanted to put the 800#s out then have people in banks within 2 hours of that release.
C - Are you keeping the currencies separated? T - Yes, they are tracking them differently. Keep them separated.
C - Would this not have happened this week if the IMF had stepped in? T - Probably not. But this morning we got info that the UST was working with the IMF, or they're trying to catch up. They didn't expect it.
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C - You said today about when you mentioned $3.85 being able to go to the bank. Is that for sure tomorrow you know or it's not live yet? T - We in this country are not live yet but now that the IMF has done what they did, this should keep going through the night and start popping up everywhere.
C - If the VIPs got their rates, why didn't they extend that to us - from $32 to $3.85? T - I could answer you and say they're being selfish and egotistical. But there's always a game afoot, something always going on in the background. Someone else is always trying to one-up someone else. It's not about what's easy or they would have released it to us earlier this year. I can tell you this: when I said the UST was incompetent, they didn't like that. They didn't want it to be messed up like Obamacare. Guys on the 4th floor didn't know what guys on the 1st floor were doing. No sharing of info. I'm not saying people were wrong or lying, but they had just pieces of the info.
C - Is there a limit to the amount of Cashier's Checks we can get? T - Yes, it's based on the balance in your bank account.
T - Just getting info that Iraq is saying $3.84 is their international rate (from a gov't official).
C - Will we know the contract rate when the 800#s comes out? T - Yes, when the 800#s come out we will now it all. I'm still hearing $32.
T - The minimum here we would get is $5 and $1.16.
C - What is the rate for the VND? T - $1.16 or $6. We won't know until the 800#s come out.
C - Do you think this is the best day so far? T - Yes, absoiutely! A whole bunch of people are saying it's international and they have their own SWIFT codes. They are doing everything all the other countries can do except that we're not cashing out yet. More and more countries will go through the night because the IMF released.
C - I'm getting nervous about the 30 days which started Dec. 1. Are we still on that same clock? T - I really don't want to say, but I feel comfortable saying yes but they don't think it will take that long. They really don't care that it's Christmas because they have their money and they're already buying their Christmas gifts. I would make it my intention to have it done by the end of the month.
C - Is this taking 24-48 hours because the IMF is downloading one country at a time? T -They are hoping to see it tonight. There are 2 shifts in by 8-9-10PM. I do expect us to wake up to it in the morning one way or another. C - People are very upset that others got $30 and we get $5. T - If we get the contract rate we will get more than we thought we'd ever get. If we get $5 and $1 we'll be glad.
C - What are the names of the dealers you think are less than reputable? T - All I can tell you is that, over the years I tried to be subtle. When you do find out when it does happen you'll remember what I said. There are a lot of them that have been shut down. You should know how they are operating now by the way they treat you.
C - A number of players have been involved in this, mostly Iraq, IMF, etc. No mention of JL, CL, Chinese, etc. Is that by design to disconnect them from the execution of this? T - It's because if I'm giving you countries or agencies, it's not personal. If I name names people will want to talk to that guy. It would be more confusing, i.e., how money was moved around, how some countries were blackmailed into doing certain things, etc. If I do tell you there's nothing you can do about it. It's the way governments really work. Nothing like what you see on CNN or the 6 o'clock news.
C - Regarding bank checks, I've checked with 2 banks' PB and was told you can take a bank check and deposit/cash the same day in another Big 4 bank.
C - Regarding oil credits, do those credits flow thru those banks if they are in other countries? T - Yes, they would go through those banks to their own country where it's exchanged at.
C - if the PTB are interested if you were to take 4 million people spending $100 for Christmas it would be $2-400B. T - They know it will happen even in the 1st 4 days even though the #'s won't come out until January. It will definitely have a positive impact on the economy.
C - Going back to Vietnam, are they trying to find a way to compensate people for their past service? T - No, I can tell you that. This is more future-related than the past.
C - Does any credit associated with the VND go to the Chinese? T - The 2 are tied together. The US got more IQD and China got more the VND. They got credit for moving money around. It's part of the overall GCR.
C - If we exchange at a US bank the dinar goes for oil credits, regardless of whether it's at $5 or $30? T - It won't affect the rate. The rate it comes out at is to stimulate our economy based on what was agreed to in the contract.
C - At the time of exchange will we be able to get cashier's checks? T - Possibly, but if not go to a local branch because they money will be in your account.
C - We knew that the UST was to pull the trigger on this deal, and if not, the IMF would do it, which means we would get $3.85. Is that what happened today? T - The $5 rate was always part of the threat. But today I heard that the $32 rate was still in play. They were blind-sided by this whole thing today.
C - Did you hear about the post that says there are 40M dinar holders and they could only cash out $20M each? T - Last year we had a group that used scare tactics like that. I do not believe there are 40M - nowhere near that. Even with your cousins and relatives, there are only 5M. If 40M people had don't you think somebody would have talked by now? It would be in the news. I don't know where people get this stuff from. There have not been 5M different people who have purchased from the exchangers and they have been audited.
C - Do you think the odds on the contract rate tonight are better than 50/50? T - Yes, better than 50/50.
C - Did the IMF release the rates for the other currencies beside the IQD? T - No, I don't know. I already answered this.
T - We still have a lot of unanswered questions. I'm already getting texts and someone has contacted me with an update. I'm going to work through the evening to get answers. If something superfantastic happens I'll do a tweet or a blast. 800#s could be tonight - after midnight going into the morning. Enjoy the night - things are definitely happening and it's a day we've been waiting for. Things are definitely happening and should look different tonight and tomorrow morning.
END OF CALL.