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Notes by Bailey2 at I4U and Sunny, Ariel144, Karen and Bob, GodsGrace and Dakotaman at TNT...Thanks to you all!!!
[bailey2..] T - what happenned yesterday? surprised how many peeps in chat and on the boards yesterday. So I did a blast. well, went in chat.
T it was thankgiving and ppl wanted to know so I was in chat and said something thewre that I was getting info and that I thought wasnt happening till Sunday or Monday
T...two groups of peeps got upset with me over the weekend and want to apologize...but don't know if i really need to
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T...when i said sun/mon...got calls saying why did you say that...we will be done no later than friday/sat.
T...they were adamant about it and insulted that i said that ariel144: t...they are working to get it done by fri/sat
T...everything we were hearing about the UST and they system...
T: there was a whole lot of things involved with that which might seem they were incompetiant...i was frustrated and so were you ariel144: they took offense to that ...especially coming from me
T everything we been hearing about the UST I said it made them seem incompitent, we took umbrage and they let me know that they are done they do not want to be blamed for it ariel144: they want you to know that they are ready to go
T - Peeps can have best laid out plans and something can still happen.
T...meet and greet...planned thought only 50=60 peeps and now every location has over 1,000 peeps...didn't ever expect it and so didn't plan for that so see how it can happen to them too
T-they both say they are ready now...imf and UST ...want it done today and spending this weekend
T - I got both sides saying "Our part is NOW DONE!"
T- WHEN i get verification I will probably do a BL
T..this issues with the UST were computers...but now both saying they have their part done and ready to go just don't know the time and day
T..only other detail...we heard the rate last week was 36...then 38...banks seeing that
T - whatever problems there were, based on US so US was penalized.
T-this a.m. it is substantially lower..part of the issues here...what ever problems that were based on teh US not doing what they were supposed to do...so we were penalized with a lower rate...and peeps getting paid since april at diff. rates
T-the peeps that were paid at the lower rates...sorry...but the peeps paid out at the higher rate...do they do a claw back and was part of the discussion and what would be the new rate...not drop too low...still in teh 30's
T- the only other detail is last week the rate went from 36 to 38 now it went down because they said the US held up some things, we know ppl been getting paid out since April, question is ppl that got paid higher rates and does the claw back clause take effect so today there is a new rate in the 30's and caused Vnn to drop back to 6 something
T-they redid the numbers yesterday and those were the numbers
T-that makes this a great day to me, they both came out and said its not us, everybody is doin the best they can
T -exchange centers supposed to be in Sunday thats why I said Sunday …T - waiting for others to be contacted this evening.
T..they can put them on alert or call them in and give s us a heads up or they can do the release and put it on hold till they call them in…that is why the imf said they would release it before sunday we just don't know when the UST will release it and the 800#'s
T...so waiting for the verification on that and will blast that out
Q - 30 days be shortened? T - can do what they want. no one's said less than 30 days. your going to be taxed when you cash out whether it's Dec./Jan as this level we pay quarterly taxes.
T...guess they can do whatever they want to...but don't know they have to have it done before 2014...no diff to paying tax because now you will pay qtrly
q...llc/trust? t..that is for you to decide... . T each of you have to decide what legal structure you Ce in. Trust, personal name, LLC. Can't make decisions for you.
q...telling family about how you made the money have them sign an nda sunny: T - gifts after the CE and in cash and no I'm not going to have them sign an NDA. It's just cash then. t...i'm not telling them..i won't be dealing with that
T - CL was in DC on Wed., doing personal vsits and again today. t..she is there today making personal visist
q..how long? T cl in DC personal
T - IMF not step in until after this weekend. they want us to have larger sum, as it helps US /global econonmy they could have taken over some time ago. T they want us to have the larger sum helps the economy
Q do they really want to stimulate economy or drive us crazy. T- more things than just us.: T I think the best way to stimulate the economy is to send ya'll to the phunny pharm, no it is not about us…even is it was justa tech issue...won't say what it was cause it was embarrassing... . not not to just drive you crazy T - they did not do this last time on purpose but sure they would be embarrased if I said the reason for the mess up.
T they are trying to get it done
T - IQN rate continuing to drop at this moment. Nothing to be concerned with. Looks like we could see this tonight or tomorrow morning. . Have no fear
C - repeat what you said. drop too? T - yes I know, not going to say it. T still double digits, yes. . t..i know but won't say...still in double digits..no sense in getting upset with what you can't control
q..exciting time...a couple of calls ago you mentioned that in the 30 days..the usa rate wouldn't go down and now saying it will go down...when our time comes...do we have the risk of it going down again?
t..this rate is going to go down we have a limited time...from 1-15 days it will drop and continue to drop and in 30 days we will have the real rate...that is the plan and has always been the plan
T they are just saying you have 30 days to CE - rate can drop during that time. Not staying at $30 or ?? for 30 days.
q...at least they will give yus a reasonable time for us to get in there so peeps won't panic
t...no i said they are trying to get 4-5 m peeps in the first 5 days
t...this is what i would do to remove as much risk as possible...when the rate comes out if it is really hihg and exchangers have the same rate at the bank...who would you go with ??? q..the exchangers .t- yes they are locking in the rates
T when the rate comes out, really high or whatever and exchangers have exact same rate as banks. My rate is locked in with "exchangers." My rate is locked in for 30 days. I can take 25k note to bank and still have my money.
T - if I'm scared, concerned I got a safety net with exchangers, right there. . q..yes that would help a lot of peeps
T - if rates are competitive, you've got to move. they want to get 5 million peeps thru the system in 5 days if they can.
585 chatting football ….T football stuff
q...have you heard any more about the exchangers having the same rate?
T I havent heard anything more other than they are going to be compeditive …. t... all im' hearing right now ...even right now is they are trying to do it today and the exchangers will be competitive
q..rates below 30? t...if i say yes..what happens ...if i say no what happens
T - I don't know if they want me to put the rate out. I'll let you know before you hang up
(They texted Tony and said don't put out current rate.)
q..now that the imf says they are done and the UST...then the release...the private placement stuff completed this weekend...delay in there?
q..how much being manipulated...the rates going down and stuff happening... q...when the ust releases and the banks have the numbers...then .what is the hold up?
t...peeps have been trading the last couple of days...some private placements and did them at $1.98
T - ppl have been trading the last few days, 1.98 trade, private deals done by one country thru one bank in particular
t...could it have been part of the hold up...wasn't in our explanation...it was the system …. did they take advantage of it...yes .
T until it goes live they can do that …. t..could it delay it till sun/mon ...yes cause as long as the rate is not live..then they can continue trade
t..ust saying quit blaming us we are done and imf is done
t..so its done and even if..the rate didn't ...listen carefully...the rate didn't drop it continues to drop
q..they are still controlling...and let it continue to drop t...guess we just don't know..it could be
t..since they are both saying they are done then someone is still buying at a lower rate..we will deal with it...don't think they will wait for it to get back down to $3...but it could happen in a couple of hours T things are in motion could happen at any time
t..they are all saying it is fixed and ready to go
t..only thing cuold be someone in the back ground still getting what they want...and they say enough is enough then it will be done by sunday a.m'
C - if everybody complete what your saying is the longer i'ts held more chances of value dropping. T - that is the truth.
q...too bad we can't get a math equation out of this for every hour it drops this much. T I just know its dropping
t..that is not bad cause it could to back up....don't have verification as to why it is dropping but look for more confirmation as to why it is dropping
T - still ready to go and the fact that I did not say what the rate was - only a couple of ways it could be doing that.
C - we've been hearing forever, gov. holding out for higher rates to stimulate the economy. Privileged got CE at higher rate. dropping because of penalty. T – that’s my understanding. t..when someone else messed up you got more...now when you messed up...and didn't do what was agreed to...so you get penalized and someone has to pay for that
C - Okie posted nego. on oil credits between US and China? T - don't think that had anything to do with it not going. t..don't think the neg had anything to do with it ...it was the system itself
T there are deals at 1.98 ariel144: t...which they are doing now and for the last couple of weeks ariel144: t..paying a price cause can't double dip …. They are not being authorized to double dip ariel144: t..things which we will be able to do
T - party is over for them, they've signed their NDA"s. ARe peeps out there agreeing to $1.98 and getting exchange.d These are private deals. ariel144: t..there are those out there agreeing and doing it at $1.98...private deals they are cashing in on
T we will get higher rate, just have to wait.
C - rate seemingly peaked, looks like we are on back side of this now as hedge funds involved. $42 might have been spike.
q...now dropping looks like we are on the back side of this...on wed. funds got involved...thought i would have spiked when they got involved ….t..don't know about any hedge funds getting involved and can't gamble with you money before officially traded would be illegal
T I dont know if they are or arent t...if hedge funds are getting involved...if they are paying 30/25$ ...and nobody to sell it to then how do they make their money?
T hedge funds not authorized to gamble with your money. I don't know anything about that. If hedge funds involved, and paying $30, $35 right now and nobody to sell it too and rate is going down, as of today, how are they making money on that.
T see rate coming out high, falling down, hedge funds jump in and pushing it back up. and they will sell and naking profit as it falls. ariel144: t...but buying it high...no
t..something that doesn't make sense to me
C - your right, the strategy does not make sense. . q..think this is like plan A . C reiterates what tony just said .: q...keep your eyes on the cheese
q...will our 25k note always be a 25k note?
T - here's the thing with that - with the 25K note if it's over then - out of country it's a 25K note but in country it's worthless sunny: C 25k note good for years. T - in country they have told them once the 25k note goes lives they only have 36hours and then it's worthless.
t...another thing want you to be aware of this … t...do i want to be a part of this group or that group...the phoney stuff in reno etc...even over the weekend....now saying tony can't come...and be a part of it...because of who he is
C - At the beginning of the call on Wed - you said WF was the reason it was stopped. Is that still in play? t- yes . C 954 - Wed. you said WF wanted to wait till Mon. Still the same? T -yes they have still not called their peeps in. t- still haven't call their ppl in til sun
T - I didn't say that was the reason but I did say there was a bank that didn't want to do it then. I don't know if that's gonna last or not - it could change in the next 2-3 hours T - could definitely be an advantage for us
T - none of the banks are paying me to direct you anywhere. I'm just giving you the info - it is what it is and there's nothing I can do about about it. c- when you said if they released it, other 3 banks wld go with it
T if it's released will WF stll be a contender to CE. T - I made suggestion during call. don't let them holdup the whole show. C - I personally like WF - I just wanted to know if that was the conversation Karen and Bob: t- that was my suggestion ... let them play catch up... don't hold up the show. just do something to get it done
T - it was an observation - my way of getting it across because I know who is listening to the calls
C - there is a lot of misinformation - I've been following you for over 3 years. Loechin mentioned the hedge fund group - ppl have respect for him...all sorts of info coming out and ppl saying it's done Karen and Bob: c- every friday , they're all done,.... yet here we are again .... frustrating . C - reason peeps frustrated is because of mis-info going out. loechin mentioned hedge funds thing Wed. night. peeps have respected for certain peeps. frustrating every fri. it's all done and we go thru w/e and here we are again. We want to believe, you have contacts, Loechin is a minister. this is where a lot of frustration is.
c- who do we really trust & believe in C - who do we really trust and believe in. I favor you a bit more than a lot of ppl out there . c- this week compared to last week being done ... are we really truly done? C are we relly, truly done? t- can't speak for anybody but me. C - is there any inclination that you think this is going to Monday and then next week or are we really done?
T - I can only speak for myself and I try not to respond to what others are putting out sunny: T - all I can do is peep asks me question and I try to make sense of it and where it fits in based on info I have. Karen and Bob: t- all I can do is hv ppl ask me ? & I try to make sense of it sunny: T - I don't bash others or their info
T - all I can do is ppl ask me a question and I try to make sense out of it based on the info I have t- don't try to do calls & put down other ppl T - don't ask me about what somebody else says. I don't know if it's true or not or where they getit from.
T - I base my calls on info I get from IMF CIA, USt and other agendcy I can't mention.: t- don't ask me what this guys says ..... that guy. I do my calls based on info I get from IMF, UST, other 3 LTR ... overseas CBI
T - I don't put down other ppl because I don't know why they are talking to so don't ask me what this or that guy says - I don't know if it's true or not true. I do my calls based on the info I get from IMF, UST, CIA and 3 letter agency that needs to remain anomyous t- best laid plans of mice & men still comes up w/wrinkles
t- can't predict if it goes to Dec14-15.... melazza: So whats the timeframe for the exchange now...still 30 days? godsgrace: T - I deal with it - no one can predict it and I can't tell you the 14th or 15th of Jan sunny: T - I can't predict it. no one can. I can tell you it doesn't make sense to me. In DC for months they said they did not want it to happen, now saying they want it done right now.
T - DC said for months they didn't want it to happen and now they do sunny: T - battles going on between c ountries/govs. we are on the sidelines. t- know those battles go on in countries/govts. we're on sidelines watching the battle T - battles go on in countries/govs and we're just on the sidelines watching the game - looking for the next play t- living in the time/moment
T - we're getting the best info we can get at the time living in the moment sunny: T - some peeps should turn TV off cause they cannot take the play by play. t- some shld just turn tv off. wait til its over
t- you won't have to watch & get caught up in the game sunny: T - it's going to be over when it is and score will be what it is. I recommend for peeps who run from site - to -site. don't listen to any of them if it doesn't work for you.
t- don't listen to any of it .... me included.
T - it's going to be over when its over and the score will be what it's going to be - you don't have to watch it - For those who want to go from site to site listening to everyone and what they are saying - just wait until it's over and see where we end up
C - frustrated because we keep hearing it's done, it's done, it's done.
T- - you're asking for the impossible T - you ask that same question all the time and the answer doesn't change - this is the info - the only one that can tell you is the guy that will actually release it and I'm not that guy . t- nobody really knows that info . T - you're asking for something nobody knows T - we're giving you what we got - that's it
t- I'm telling you I'm talking to ppl whoo just walked out of mtg. Karen and Bob: t- can't get closer than that T - I'm talking to ppl who are in the meeting - who just walked out the meeting - you're not getting any closer that what I'm giving you.
C - I'm doing this because you are guaranteing us that this is the last call t- they did say by sat it wld be done T - I'm not guaranteeing you anything. t- i'm going w/them T - they are saying they are going to have it done - I'm going with them t- ust was upset cause I said they were incompetent
T - UST don't take it personal - sometimes I get frustrated as well t- they were being blamed. what I was hearing did upset me & I was saying "really? t- both saying we're ready to go T - they are saying they fixed it and redid it and had it done wed night - they say they are not holding it up T UST was being blamed for everything. upset them. they fixed it and they had it done Wed. night. Don't say we are holding it up because we are not. Somebody is. Well, #'s are moving so maybe not held up. T - somebody is holding it up t- may not be held up at all
c- when you brought in dc guy, you brought in a higher level of authenticity sunny: C - you brought higher level of authenticity. Your the highest out there.
c- the situation is that someone brought in a point that dealers will not require nda if you call sterling . C - this was a post on your board - I'm not holding you accountable . T - I don't know . T - maybe Sterling has not been told that yet sunny: T - coming out of UST/DC, in places you don't want to be they are saying everyone signs NDA in our out of US to exchange., . t- dc absolutely saying all will sign nda . T - coming out of the UST and DC they are absolutely saying everyone is singing an NDA .: t- that's what I have to go with
t- that's what I have to go with T - In the US - out of the US - you will sign or they won't exchange your currency c- makes sense, but found it very curious C - maybe they won't get till last minute.
C - I'm on board - maybe what you are saying is true and they won't get it until the last minute c- rate may stabilize & even go back up C - reguarding the manipulators - you may be right and it may go back up C - it may stabilize and maybe go up - does that make sense t- makes sense to me that it may drop down to where it's supposed to be then go back up
T - I don't know why the rate has dropped 5 - 6 dollars since Wednesday sunny: T - makes sense to me. I don't know when that will happen. I don't know why the rate has dropped $5-6 since Wed. Not giving you the rate cause they told me not too.
C - another thing - another voice in the dinar community had said the potential hold up was a glitch in the global bank: c- also that CL is not a trigger puller, but as an intermediary
t- let's say she does do this. won't be initiated in the US. rate wld have to drop back down to iraq rate
t- all contracts are written at higher rate. T - you have to understand lets say CL does do it - first of all it won't be initiated in the US - she would have to do it outside the US and then the rate would drop back down to Iraq rate. All the contracts were written at a higher rate
T - all ppl paid out have been paid out at 10X that rate - how do you justify that T - how do you redo all that. how do you spill milk and pick up every oz.? T - Catastrophic –
t- let's just pay penalty, adjust rate, get it going T - we have a minute # of ppl to deal with and let's get this thing going - wouldn't that make more sense? C – absolutely
C-zim ... rate? t- .22 T - still at .22, Rupiah, $1.08 t - those 2 tagged together. t- regardless of what iqd/vnd do
c- relative to oil credit situation. those deals inter countries... that's fixed. C - oil credit situation - those deals for inter countries have already been set at a given rate for oil credits so that's fixed.
c- one cookie jar (ours) full of cookies. if less cookies, either the same hand is in the cookie jar or another???? C - there is one cookie jar that's full of cookies and the rates have been high all this time - Whose hand is in the cookie jar: t- no new players
t- every time new card goes down, there's a change that's where the negotiation goes back up: T - no new players - everytime a new card is laid on the table then the game is changed, the reward is changed. Mistakes have to be compensated somewhere
T - penalities have to be paid - they don't want money - they care about oil credits T - 1 country doesn't care about money, only want oil credits t- want either more oil credits or more dinar
T - there are only 2 ways - renegotiate the contract or let us get more dinar from your citizens T like lady said, give me $2 today and I'm done.
t- they feel citizens are willing cause we don't know what the rate really is. been so long in coming out. t -TPB let them negotiate while they delays is going on.
T - some ppl understand that this happens at this level of government but most ppl don't.
[bailey2..] Vegas Talk
c- what if they wld do it manually q..do such a thing as can they get this done so we can change one note? t...no not till the rv goes live
c- since CL stepped in, is she able to force it , even for sovereign country? t- they have it in iraq godsgrace: C - is CL able to force the RV for a sovereign country: t...yes...they already have a live rate in iraq...i've already explained why she hasn't done it
t...she hasn't forced it for the reasons i said earlier...those are the reasons she hasn't done it ..i already gave you all that already T - she hasn't forced it because of the ppl who have already done it - the rates, etc.
t...it is a good time to bring that up to pay it forward C - remind ppl to pay it forward
q...the imf and ust are they allowed to participate in the exchange?: t...no they are not
[bailey2..] just chit chatting again
c- hoping bank down the block exchanges. haven't spoken to anybody about this. not worried about nda - I don't know why ppl are upset about the nda : t..don't know either why they are upset about signing the nda once you sign the rv is over and you don't need to talk about it t- don't understand the worry either. sign & get money. don't sign & don't get money
c- if it doesn't go by the day, if we hv to go another day or two .... when it goes I'm going straight to bank T - the only thing we need to be concerned with is it is going to happen
q...about oil crdits and the rates being up and down...jsut open door for neg. come back again
t..every time someone doesn't do what was agreed upon then it opens the door for more neg. C - with all the things we brought out about oil credits and things - isn't that opening the door for negotiations to come back up again. q..we didn't cause it not to happen …t..no we did cause it..
T - we can only negotiate when someone else doesn't do what they were supposed to do. t..if we got to neg. we would be at $50
C - I didn't do anything
T - oh you mean me and you? We don't get to negotiate
T - I just tell you the truth - sometimes - maybe I give out too much info and everybody doesn't get to understand it but I think that's how you grow …t..so when you are watching the new...they are talking you can see right thru all that
t...when you know how it was done and what went into those decisions and it was a learning process for all ovf us...i know they listen on my calls …. t- I can tell you they listen in to my calls …T - when you are sitting down looking at 60 minutes or MSNBC you can literally look right through what they are saying and know what's really happening
t- know it for a fact . FBI, CIA, etc has done background on me …. t- don't have any reason to be ashamed of who I am
t..know for a fact that they do...fbi cia homeland...etc have done a back ground check on me so no reason to be ashamed and know how some of these other intel peeps are talking to T - FBI, CIA, Homeland - everyone has done a background check on me - they know who I am and I have no reason to be ashamed of who I am. They know who some of these other intel ppl are taking to
they are aware of what is going on and what other sites are saying and if wastn't giving you the right info they would have shut us down a long time ago
t- this is how life is, they even know who you are
t...i just give it the way it is what they are telling me from diff agencies. t- I'm giving you what they're telling & how I'm putting it together
T - we are doing the right thing. I'm giving you what I'm being told and we are getting the big picture and what makes sense
C - if the IMF, UST - if they released it does the banks have any lead or lag time? Do they have to do it instantly or do they have 24 - 48 hours to implement T- good Question, some banks or at least 1 doesn't want it over this wknd t..one bank doesn't want to do it this weekend...meetings on it wed. eve. but didn't get the outcome...still haven't put their staff on notice
t- we know the steps, the procedure T - I don't know who gets to make that final decision - there were some final meetings on Wednesday evening and we haven't gotten any info on that.
T - we know they haven't called any of their ppl in. t..don't know if it really matters..go and do the release and then get their peeps in there
T - could they just do the release and then tell them? They could ..and leave it up to that banks...does this one bank have the power to hold it up
T-waiting for the answer to that still T - or do they want that very moment for all of them to go and this one has the power to hold them up q..does that one bank continue to hold out could the others go: t...don't know: t- will hv to make a call after this call T - I don't know - that was what we were supposed to find out
t..nothing more i can say about that just that things are happening and still in motion ...ust and imf ready and now still on a timing thing again but hey want it before Sunday
t - enjoy the rest of your day - hope everyone enjoyed your Thanksgiving
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