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Wealthwatch Afternoon Chat 8-18-15
Tootsie: Maliki Rejects Mosul Report Former Iraqi PM blames Ankara and Erbil for fall of Iraq's second largest city18.08.2015 17:20 BAGDHAD – Former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Tuesday rejected the parliamentary report blaming him and others for the Islamic State (IS) takeover of second city Mosul last year.
“There is no value in the report that emerged from the parliamentary investigation committee on the fall of Mosul, which was dominated by political differences and was not objective,” Maliki said on his official Facebook page.
“What happened in Mosul was a conspiracy planned in Ankara, which then moved to Erbil,” Maliki said in a second post.
The former premier is currently in Iran, where he was due to meet Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Tuesday, an official from his office said. IS seized Mosul in June 2014, then overran a third of the country in a devastating offensive that swept security forces aside.
The report on the disaster was presented to parliament speaker Salim al-Juburi on Sunday, and lawmakers voted to refer it to the judiciary the following day.
“None of the names mentioned in this report were deleted, and all of them will be sent to the judiciary,” Juburi told a news conference on Monday. “An investigation and follow up and accounting of all those responsible for the fall of Mosul will be carried out,” he said.
Various former senior officials were also named in the report detailing the committee’s findings, which has not been publicly released. These include Defense Minister Saadun al-Dulaimi, Army Chief of Staff Babaker Zebari, his deputy Aboud Qanbar, Ground Forces Commander Ali Ghaidan, Nineveh operations command chief Mahdi al-Gharawi and the province’s governor, Atheel al-Nujaifi. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
Tootsie: Chattels is correct ~ evidently M is still in Iran ~ The former premier is currently in Iran, where he was due to meet Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Tuesday
Tootsie: Parliamentary economy refuses to stop the work of customs tariff [font]08/18/2015[/font] BAGHDAD / JD / .. refused to economic and investment commission in Parliament, to stop the work of customs tariff, as pointed out that activated Cedar money and stimulating the economy.
A member of the committee MP Ali Mohammed told / JD /: "There are demands by some quarters to postpone the work tariff customs," adding that "the law was postponed work done since 2010 has been activated with the beginning of the month of the current year."
"We categorically reject and postpone work this time for the Law of the customs tariff because it is one of the important economic laws of the country, because he Seder big money to the state and stimulating the economy."
He noted that "activating the investment law will attract investors and will have a significant role in supporting the Iraqi private sector."
The number of traders and markets Ahahanat demonstrated in Safwan border port in Basra province and blocked a foreign port gates to protest the decision to activate the customs tariff. / End / wealthwatch.world/showthr...
Tootsie: glad to see this a.m. that CBI market rate held at 1214 ~~ 3016 18-Aug market price 1,214 auction price 1,166 volume (usd) 241,038,417 Cash 40,116,000 remittances & credits 200,922,417
chattels: Baghdad (AIN) –Defense Minister Khalid al-Obaidi announced on Tuesday that top official leaders that are mentioned in the parliamentary report of the fall of Mosul were sent to the Judiciary, they are: Former Defense Minster Sadoun al-Dulaimi Former Army Chief of Staff Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari
The commander of the ground forces Ali Ghidan The commander of Nineveh Operations Command, Gen. Mahedi al-Gharawi Assistant Army Chief of Staff, General Obud Qanber
chattels: " ............... sent to the Judiciary, ........... "
Doug_W: let Justice reign
chattels: Maliki ?
chattels: Speaker: Maliki will not be excluded from sending to Judiciary
chattels: Speaker: All names in Mosul fall report to be tried
chattels: Minsters whose Ministries cancelled or merged not to attend today Cabinet session, Minister says chattels: en.alliraqnews.com/module...
Donnie: Prime Minister Dr. Haider Abadi: Cancel sites advisers in the ministries Outsourcing advisors and determine the three presidencies of the five advisers for each Presidency
[08/18/2015 12:31:05 PM] Donnie: 18/08/2015 12:27 Based on the false package of reforms presented by Mr. Prime Minister and approved by the Council of Ministers, and approved by the House of Representatives. It decided to cancel advisers in the ministries sites Outsourcing whether the angel hard or temporary advisers to determine the three presidencies five advisers for each president.
Donnie: cabinet.iq/ArticleShow.as... http://cabinet.iq/ArticleShow.aspx?ID=6428
Donnie: House staff staying rally to back packs, parliamentary and government reforms August 18 0.2015
Donnie: The presence of Mr. Iyad Namik glorious Secretary General of the Council of Representatives and his deputies Mr. Bade-Jubouri and Mr. Salah Humairi was held in the courtyard of the Council on Tuesday, 08.18.2015 large gathering of employees of all circles House of Representatives in support of the beams parliamentary and governmental reforms.
And across the assembly which gentlemen advisers and Directors General of the Chambers of the Council participated in their support for the measures taken by the House of Representatives and the Council of Ministers to bring about the necessary reforms and promote the work of state institutions,
including the reduction of Council staff salaries in support of the families of martyrs and the armed forces and fighters of the popular crowd and the Peshmerga and the displaced. The information department Iraqi Council of Representatives
Donnie: www.parliament.iq/details... http://www.parliament.iq/details.aspx?id=25401&Alw
Doug_W: nice day up there I see Donnie but it looks like U will have rain L8R
Donnie: Little HOT today... cooling rain will be welcome.
Donnie: Parliament: the distribution of salaries of deputies for the month of August will be a reduction of 45% in accordance with the reforms
Donnie: [Baghdad-where] the information department of the House of Representatives announced that the council members' salaries for the month of August of this distribution will be a reduction of 45% according to government reforms passed by parliament last week.
According to a statement received by the agency all of Iraq [where] a copy of it, "We would like to inform all media that the House of Representatives, which will be spent on 28 of this month, the salaries have been reduced by 45% of salary, according to the financial department in the Iraqi parliament."
Doug_W: its 93 here now dew point 76
Donnie: www.alliraqnews.com/modul... http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13085
Donnie: Abadi: the attack on the oil companies is unacceptable and we will face from standing deduced from the development of Iraq
Donnie: 18/8/2015 seven twelve p.m
Donnie: [Baghdad - where] said Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, said Tuesday that the government spares no effort to protect the wealth of the Iraqi people and the protection of oil installations and foreign companies, and with the exception of any obstruction to the work of these companies as an attack on the wealth of the people, accused of views [unnamed] stand against the development of Iraq, vowing these actors using all possibilities to stop them.
Ebadi said in a statement received by the agency all of Iraq [where] a copy of "The Iraqi government is sparing no effort to protect the wealth of the Iraqi people, the oil of which depends upon the Iraqis well-being and to fulfill its responsibility to protect oil installations and workers of Iraqis and foreign companies specialized."
He added Abadi through visit the West Qurna 2 field in Basra and meeting with managers in Lukoil oil company that "there is importance to the continued increase in production to match the population growth and the need for services,"
adding that "oil is the wealth of the Iraqi people and our duty to protect this wealth will not allow any failure to this area, " continued Abadi that "controlled conditions and on the companies that are not afraid of any threat, because we have issued orders to protect the oil fields and companies operating in,"
noting that "the Council of Ministers is any obstruction to oil companies rejected the attack on the wealth of the people and will not allow it at all." He said Abadi, that "Iraq has a great opportunities for investment and more countries that possess fields have not invested, but some stand deduced from the development of Iraq and putting obstacles in front of him,
noting that" we will not allow these people and we will use all of our possibilities to stop them and the continuation of oil production. " The statement said al-Abadi During the visit, he conducted a tour of the oil fields to see the reality and the progress of work. It was the Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi met, on Tuesday, the dire
Donnie: www.alliraqnews.com/modul... http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13104
Donnie: Central Bank registered a new low today to sell $ 241 million
Donnie: 18/8/2015 4:47 p.m. Central Bank registered a new low today to sell $ 241 million [Baghdad-where] recorded central bank sales, on Tuesday, in the auction for the sale of foreign currency to sell a new low of $ 241 million after it also fell yesterday sold $ 250 million, after it was reported Sunday $ 255 million. Donnie: www.alliraqnews.com/modul... http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=37
chattels: ‹@Donnie› it does not appear that the KRG presidency issue has been resolved despite the one report of a two year extension
chattels: Baghdad (AIN) –Iraqi president Fouad Massoum is to meet with Kurdistan region president Masoud Barzani on Tuesday to discuss the presidency crisis in the region, the spokesman of the presidency Khalid Shwan said in a press conference.
chattels: en.alliraqnews.com/module... http://en.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2783
chattels: The head of the House of Representatives during his visit to the Office of Financial Supervision that Iraq is today a state of reform, pointing out that these reforms will remain ink on paper and mere slogans if they are not activated to contact the actual reality, pointing out that he can not talk about reform without reform the judiciary. - translate.googleuserconte... (URL NOT FOUND)
chattels: It appears that OOTW sense of reform beginning with the Judiciary is shared by Jobourri
tipsyterror: that "new website" does look like a hoax - the IP address points to Pakistan. However a "whois" search looks legit - whois.domaintools.com/cbi...
tipsyterror: unless domain registrants don't do a good job of verifying registration info before they allow a domain to be registered. This one is registered by godaddy.com, perhaps the largest registrant in the world. http://godaddy.com/ https://www.godaddy.com/
chattels: Follow up (AIN) -Oil prices dipped again on Tuesday as traders braced for lower refinery consumption after the U.S. summer, while Asia's weakening economies and high global production stoked concerns about oversupply. chattels: en.alliraqnews.com/module...
MichelleL: tipsyterror someone could have hacked the website even if the registration was straight
MichelleL: there are some people who are however very very confident Doug - then there are us wet blankets lol
Doug_W: I am confident
Doug_W: ...I think?......
MichelleL: care to give a time frame? HAHAHAHA
MichelleL: lol Doug
Doug_W: right after it happens I WILL
Doug_W: AND the rate too
MichelleL: good for you ;)
nobody: Interesting article and committee
nobody: Think RV at DA found it. Revbo
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GJMAN: tHE NEW CBI WEBSITE IS UP!!!! GJMAN: 22.214.171.124:8090/ CBIRAQ.ORG
Donnie: ‹@GJMAN› The data/charts/articles are not up-to-date
GJMAN: so get picky it's up that's a big deal IMO
OOTW: HERE'S THE IP ADDRESS FOR THIS SUPPOSED CBI SITE 126.96.36.199
OOTW: IT HAS A PAKISTANI ADDRESS
Doug_W: but Whois looks legit OO Doug_W: sooo Go figure
OOTW: NO THIS IS A FRAUDULENT SITE DESIGNED TO STEAL YOUR INFORMATION
Doug_W: ahhh good 2 KNOW
OOTW: MY HUBBY DOES THIS DIAGNOSIS FOR A LIVING, SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT
Doug_W: ty ty ty
GJMAN: ootw cbiraq.org is a fraud?
GJMAN: how can you tell
GJMAN: I the cover page has been up for years
GJMAN: last week someone else looked up the addresss and said it was registered in Texas
[08/18/2015 04:18:42 PM] GJMAN: Registrant ID:CR33249457 Registrant Name:Amir Shaher Registrant Organization:Central Bank of Iraq Registrant Street: Al-Rashed Registrant City:baghdad Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:00964 Registrant Country:IQ Registrant Phone:+964.7901364871 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:email@example.com Admin ID:CR33249459 Admin Name:Amir Shaher Admin Organization:Central Bank of Iraq Admin Street: Al-Rashed Admin City:baghdad Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code:00964 Admin Country:IQ Admin Phone:+964.7901364871 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:firstname.lastname@example.org Tech ID:CR33249458 Tech Name:Amir Shaher Tech Organization:Central Bank of Iraq Tech Street: Al-Rashed Tech City:baghdad Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code:00964 Tech Country:IQ Tech Phone:+964.7901364871
GJMAN: Admin ID:CR33249459 Admin Name:Amir Shaher Admin Organization:Central Bank of Iraq Admin Street: Al-Rashed Admin City:baghdad Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code:00964 Admin Country:IQ Admin Phone:+964.7901364871 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:email@example.com
chattels: Legality and Constitutionality Questions in Iraq’s Reform Push
chattels: Posted by Reidar Visser on Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:50
GJMAN: i think it is a legit site
[08/18/2015 04:21:27 PM] chattels: Legality and Constitutionality Questions in Iraq’s Reform Push Posted by Reidar Visser on Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:50 gulfanalysis.wordpress.co...
chattels: -Proper legal procedure was not followed when the vice presidents were voted out of office by parliament on 11 August:
According to the law on presidential deputies, the initiative for relieving them of duty should have gone through the president, not the prime minister. -In accordance with the law on presidential deputies, the Iraqi parliament is in any case under a legal obligation to elect a new presidential deputy within 15 days from the post became vacant. –
The Iraqi vice presidential position is a position stipulated and hence protected by the constitution. A cabinet that chooses to ignore this could in theory also send parliament on an indeterminate vacation.
Whereas it was a good decision to get rid of two superfluous VP posts that were created only to care for the egos of certain bloc leaders, to abolish the VP position altogether seems distinctly unconstitutional. –
Also exactly like in July 2011, no proper constitutional procedure was followed during the downsizing of the cabinet from 33 to 22 ministries.
As per the Iraqi constitution, each of the ministers relieved of duty should have been subjected to an individual vote (and discussion) in parliament. Again, the decision in itself is laudable but the procedure that was followed is not.
chattels: -An interesting aspect of the recent reform measures concern the attack on ethno-sectarian and party quota-sharing arrangements (muhasasa). Such attacks have been part and parcel of political correct rhetoric in Iraq ever since the emergence of new democratic institutions,
but only under Abadi’s recent reforms has it been taken seriously – to the point where Kurds, in particular, are worried that it will mean majoritarianism and informal Shia dominance in practice.
It should be stressed that this aspect of the reform IS constitutional. Ethno-sectarian proportional representation is only an explicit constitutional requirement as far as the armed forces, the parliament, and a one-off, now defunct, committee for reviewing the constitution are concerned.
It has nonetheless become a de facto organising principle at almot every level of Iraqi government.
chattels: -The Iraqi government should be given credit for allowing public protest and persevering with reform, even as it faces an existential external threat in the shape of ISIS.
The Kurdish regional government could in this case learn something from Baghdad: External threats are in themselves not an argument for setting democracy to one side. However, if the Iraqi government opts to cheat on legal procedure, its reforms are likely to be stillborn.
Not least with respect to the importance of getting the judiciary on board for reform – it is in itself highly in need of an overhaul – it would be wise to stick to instruments and arrangements that are clearly within the constitutional and legal limits.
chattels: Iraq is a mess.
GJMAN: OOTW sorry you are mistaken about the new CBI site it is legit check here www.cmc.iq/en/linkfrind.h...
OOTW: GJMAN THIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING 188.8.131.52:8090/
graylnjo: The entire middle east is a mess and will be for a very long time.......like forever!!!! :w00t: :silly:
OOTW: I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH BEING "WRONG"
OOTW: BUT THIS SITE DOES NOT LOOK AND IS NOT FORMATTED IN A CREDIBLE WAY AND THE IP ADDRESS LOOK UP ABSOLUTELY SAYS IT'S LOCATED IN PAKISTAN
Donnie: ‹@graylnjo› got a link to that article?
OOTW: GJMAN COULD BE CORRECT ABOUT THE CBI SITE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THE IP ADDRESS IS LOCATED IN PAKISTAN
OOTW: THE CBI COULD HAVE CONTRACTED A PAKISTANI COMPANY TO MANAGE THE SITE IDK
OOTW: AND HOW DO WE KNOW THIS WASN'T OPEN BEFORE...ANY TIME IN THE PAST?
Fit2beFit: I dont care if its in MARS, just push the button somebody please
Donnie: could be temporary while it is being developed. like a test site. we do that often but we keep it internal to our servers until it ready to go live.
Donnie: the fact it is using a specific port number :8090 and not the default :8080 leans me to believe it's under construction still
Donnie: and all the data is 3 months old... :)
Donnie: bye bye
chattels: The Iraqi Government Gets Downsized: Political and Constitutional Considerations Posted by Reidar Visser on Saturday, 30 July 2011 20:43
OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr... IMF Executive Board Concludes 2015 Article IV Consultation with Iraq Press Release No. 15/382 August 18, 2015
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... afternoon sir
chattels: The Iraqi Parliament Declares Itself Above the Constitution and Its Own Laws Posted by Reidar Visser on Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:28
OOTW: HERE'S A QUOTE FROM THIS
OOTW: Directors noted that indirect central bank financing of the government is necessary at this juncture given the lack of other sources of financing, but stressed that this should not become a recurring source of financing.
They, therefore, welcomed the authorities’ intention to firmly limit such support and clarify the terms of the related financial operations between the central bank, the state-owned banks, and the government. Directors supported the authorities’ commitment to maintain the exchange rate peg, which has served as a sound nominal anchor for Iraq.
They also welcomed the steps taken to liberalize the foreign exchange market and urged the removal of remaining exchange restrictions and multiple currency practice as external conditions evolve.
OOTW: IRAQ HAS CURRENTLY MULTIPLE CURRENCY PRACTICES - BECAUSE THEY USE THE DOLLAR AND THE DINAR..THIS ARTICLE IS SUPPORTING THE NEED FOR IRAQ TO BREAK AWAY FROM MULTIPLE CURRENCY PRACTICES AND MOVE INTO ARTICLE 8 –
MOVING TO ARTICLE 8 IS THEIR CHOICE, BUT THEY WILL ALSO NEED TO SHOW THE IMF THAT THEY ARE ADHERING TO ABOVE BOARD PRACTICES AND WE KNOW THE CORRUPTION IS STILL PRESENT IN BANKING TRANSACTIONS
Tootsie: Pretty interesting that the charts in the "new cbi site"
Tootsie: most accessed time series appear to be up to date.
disciple7: ‹@OOTW› so iyo u think it will slow them from getting to art 8?
Tootsie: When I just put the 184.108.40.206:8090/ into google it brought this up ~~ CBI Admin Panel 220.127.116.11:8090/ Content on this page requires a newer version of Adobe Flash Player. Get Adobe Flash player · Acronyms
Tootsie: and Central Bank Of Iraq - CBI Admin Panel 18.104.22.168:8090/Series... Recent Updates. Interest-Rate (Short term Loans in $) Time Series Added · Interest-Rate Short term Loans in IQD Time Series Added · Interest-Rate (Midium ...
chattels: ‹@OOTW› My compliments on the apparent correctness of your opinion that Judicial reform is a first step and " sine qua non " as to the reform mechanics
OOTW: WE SHALL SEE CHATTELS