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Wealthwatch Chat Room News Excerpts & Comments 6-17-16
chattels: edit Nazzal neighborhood completely encircle Fallujah General Hospital
chattels: This hospital is on the north side of Hwy. 11 in the center of Fallujah. I do not find the Nazzal neighborhood.
chattels: google map
chattels: Shows as Aldhubat I / II neighborhood on google maps.
chattels: For some residents of Fallujah they are " jumping from the frying pan into the fire ".
chattels: Abuses Of Iraq’s Hashd In Fallujah Operation
chattels: Alex M. @Alex_de_M Alex M. Retweeted Joel Wing ISF security operations always heavy handed and detainee processing system a mess, but Fallujah abuses much worse:
Doug_W: AMEN "C"
Doug_W: me as well
chattels: Ramadi’s Multi-Billion Reconstruction Already Running Into Trouble - Kamal al-Ayash : As the clean up in Ramadi continues, locals and officials are applying for reconstruction aid. But there are problems already, with calls of foul and favouritism and a lack of billions in funding.
chattels: I have previously made mention of the cost of restoration in the areas liberated from Daesh. The expense of the war on Daesh is just the beginning.
chattels: The billions needed for reconstruction will be needed from somewhere. Iraq does not have it. Those billions will be another source for corruption and political conflict in Iraq.
chattels: The narrative espoused by Iraq that it is fighting the world's battle against terror and extremism is intended to cultivate a sense of obligation by the international community to funds those billions.
chattels: fund *
chattels: Patrick Osgood Retweeted Hamdi @HamdiAlkhshali 2m2 minutes ago #Iraqi forces are in control over almost 50% of the city of #Falluja, head of Iraqi Federal Police said.
chattels: I wonder whether the foregoing is optimistic or public relations propaganda. There is good progress though.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell Retweeted Loveday Morris @LovedayM 4h4 hours ago Iraqi forces have seized the government compound in Fallujah, making very quick progress
chattels: Iraqi forces push into heart of Islamic State-held Fallujah
chattels: Why Islamic State Is Losing, and Why It Still Hopes to Win https://tcf.org/content/report/islamic-state-losing-still-hopes-win/
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell Retweeted Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago Iraq’s CTS pushing quickly into central Fallujah. Reports 100s IS fighters, besieged & running low on ammo, fled yesterday among civilians.
Doug_W: gimme gimme gimme
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell Retweeted Ihsan @Thawra_city 4h4 hours ago The Iraqi flag is raised above the government compound in #Fallujah.
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› Iraq is far from being a " donor nation " in the international community.
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› They are " takers ".
chattels: " gimme, gimme, gimme ", as you say
Doug_W: indeed so
Doug_W: way too much Graft going on
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› too much " me " and little sense of " us " in Iraq.
chattels: "............. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
chattels: John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961.
Doug_W: if only they would adopt that
chattels: Loveday Morris Retweeted Conflict News @Conflicts 2h2 hours ago VIDEO: Citizens of ISIS held #Fallujah swim across the Euphrates river to safety as clashes continue - @BarzanSadiq
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 1h1 hour ago Fallujah in better shape than Ramadi because less US airstrikes due to civilian presence, but thousands of IEDs/booby traps to clear
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 3h3 hours ago ISF entered Hayy al-Askari in east Fallujah, moving towards & out from city centre. Daesh isolated into pockets
chattels: The news is very encouraging about Fallujah from several " real " sources.
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 3h3 hours ago Sajad Jiyad سجاد Retweeted Haider Al-Abadi After victory in Fallujah the battles for Hawijah, Shirqat, Tal Afar are the major ones leading to Mosul
chattels: another good / better map of Fallujah
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 4h4 hours ago Sajad Jiyad Retweeted Patrick Osgood Daesh fighters escaping as civilians is a massive concern
chattels: Joel Wing Retweeted Emmanuel @EmmanuelGMay 4h4 hours ago #Fallujah : #ISF take Nazall, Sinaa, Andalous neighborhood and government compound from #Daesh V @EjmAlrai
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 31s32 seconds ago Battle of Fallujah is over, PM @HaiderAlAbadi will shortly declare victory from there
SWSD: The last caller made a valid question. And the way bgg answered it was very...distracting for an answer. True, not even 1 million people have/own a million dinar in the us...or maybe they do(?). But the fact is, if and when this happens, if we all make out on this like we hope and want to, it will be like millions of people winning some sort of lottery.
SWSD: This will definitely make the news if it happens like we want
chattels: Prime Minister Haider al - Abadi, said Friday evening, said the coming hours would end the rest of the remaining spots in Fallujah. "
chattels: I hate it when an Iraqi politician uses the phrase " in the coming " anything.
chattels: US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter said on Friday edit part of the city of Fallujah , al Daash. Carter told reporters at the Ministry of Defense Pentagon, " the Iraqi forces retook part and not all of the city of Fallujah." The Carter "still requires further fighting." The general commander of the armed forces , Prime Minister Haider al - Abadi, announced this evening tighten their grip on the inside Fallujah highlights strongholds Daash terrorist gangs in Anbar province.
chattels: Ash Carter seems more restrained, but then he is not fighting for his political life in Iraq.
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 50m50 minutes ago Iraqi forces massing for operation to clear Shirqat in Salahaddin
chattels: Al-Shirqat is a Sunni Arab town west of the Tigris in Salah ad Din Governorate, Iraq.
chattels: Daesh took control of the town during their June 2014 offensive.
chattels: Al - Shirqat is northwest of Hawija on the road / river to Mosul.
Doug_W: more political BS
chattels: Maliki speaks - " ............. also called on " all politicians to review the positions and unify the visions and invest victories our heroes to consolidate national unity and closing ranks to jump - start the process of building a stable and powerful nation and provide services to our people and to compensate those affected , and compassion to our innocent martyrs who have won medals of honor and placed them rest in peace and speedy recovery to the wounded. "
chattels: Hard to tell the difference between him, Abadi or most any other politician. They all say the " right " things, but ......................
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 5h5 hours ago Patrick Osgood Retweeted Sideline Observer Big victory, tho planting flag in middle & declaring victory while mop ups & humanitarian situ a mess a bit grating.
chattels: I do find it curious that others the gurus in " dinarland " are now interested and are commenting on progress in the war on Daesh as a matter of importance when for the last year they were saying that Daesh was not a problem.
chattels: Iraq says most of Fallujah retaken from IS militants
chattels: After weeks of heavy battles since the offensive began in late May, it appeared that IS defenses in much of the city collapsed abruptly.
chattels: The group cited a 69-year-old Fallujah resident saying IS fighters suddenly disappeared from many streets Thursday evening, as neighbors saw them evacuating checkpoints and driving away in vehicles loaded with food and fuel. The news prompted many residents to prepare to escape.
chattels: Aid groups had estimated that 50,000 civilians had been trapped inside Fallujah when the assault began several weeks ago, and they say that 30,000 to 42,000 of those had fled since then.
chattels: "Iraqi forces are now in the center of the city.
chattels: Iraqi forces have "tightened their control over the inside of the city, and there are some pockets that need to be cleaned out within hours,"
chattels: IS fighters were still holding out in the nearby central hospital, al-Obeidi said. Throughout the day and into the night, Iraqi forces surrounded the hospital, clashing with snipers on adjacent buildings. But they were holding back from storming the building, fearing there were patients inside that the militants would use as human shields, ............
chattels: Patrick Osgood Retweeted Hamdi @HamdiAlkhshali #ISIS militants are fleeing through the Euphrates River on the northwestern side of #Falluja, head of Federal Police said.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell Retweeted Fanar Haddad @fanarhaddad Good news coming out of Fallujah (Arabic media notwithstanding). Much of city falling to Iraqi army and CT forces. Hashd still on outskirts.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk #InsideIraqiPolitics will naturally have a feature on Fallujah & its aftermath in No. 133, out (hopefully) on Monday.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk Politics has toned down somewhat for Ramadan, but we will also cover Abadi's cabinet & appointment fights + the Sadrist gang problem.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk And the humanitarian situation around Fallujah is dire. That whole are will likely be secured/strangled by militia checkpoints indefinitely.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk Govt-aligned forces outnumbered jihadists probably 20-1 or more. We count 16 separate Shia militias. It wasn't a well-organized offensive.
chattels: Hayder Al-Shakeri Retweeted Sohaib Alrawi @Sohaib_Alrawi 3h3 hours ago #Fallujah is liberated. #DAESH is rapidly collapsing. We must now focus our efforts on a major humanitarian catastrophe still unfolding.
chattels: Saleem al-Jubouri declares its readiness to discuss the subject of his dismissal according to the law and rules of procedure of Parliament
chattels: " what happened during the last period of the of the parliament and especially the question of impeachment was a play which was not a legal basis. "
chattels: He expressed his confidence in full to be the court 's decision in favor of the current presidency
chattels: adding that " parliament has proved its strength and its ability to make decision. " and " the need to hold a comprehensive meeting and even before the court 's final decision."
chattels: " the most dangerous thing that we are experiencing now is the economic crisis ............... "
chattels: Apparently Jubourri is not as impressed with the IMF bailout being a panacea of all that ails Iraq financially or that Iraq has / will not enter into the world's economy in the first half of 2016 ( the next two weeks ) and live happily ever after with a currency suddenly valued significantly greater.
chattels: He must not be reading or believing the hype from the gurus in " dinarland ", eh ?
chattels: In any event I am pleased that the fight in Fallujah has proven to be less murderous to date than many thought it would be. God save the Iraqi people. They deserve better than what they have got from " democracy " thus far.
waldowould: ‹@chattels› true democracy is not the problem, it is their interpretation of democracy
waldowould: That is the problem
chattels: no doubt, which is why I put democracy in quotation marks
chattels: although I am not all sure what a " true " democracy looks like. i will settle for something 'akin to it
chattels: technically one might argue that Iraq is a republic, but I am not competent to discuss the differences between the two
chattels: A parliamentary republic is a type of republic that operates under a parliamentary system of government where the executive branch (the government) derives its legitimacy from and is accountable to the legislature (the parliament). There are a number of variations of parliamentary republics.
chattels: The politics of Iraq place in a framework of a federal parliamentary representative democratic republic.
chattels: It is a multi-party system whereby the executive power is exercised by the Prime Minister of the Council of Ministers as the head of government, as well as the President of Iraq, and legislative power is vested in the Council of Representatives and the Federation Council.
chattels: Except they have never created the Federation Council.
waldowould: Well let's just say they are trying, but IMO they are still held back by their religious differences.
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