Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 9-11-15
Wealthwatch Early Morning Chat 9-11-15 Part 1 of 2
Oneness: www.syriahr.com/en/2015/0... LINK
BOBBY: strange arangement
BOBBY: hard to believe 9/11 was 14 years ago
Donnie: don't get me started on 9/11
BOBBY: Donnie .... you know you want to. lol
Donnie: NO I don't!
BOBBY: ok then
Oneness: 9/11 anniversary: How has terrorism changed in the past 14 years? ... www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/us...
Oneness: Outside the box: is the Islamic State close to victory? ... www.opendemocracy.net/ara... http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/us/9-11-how-has-terror-changed/
Oneness: The United States looks back on over a year of combat operations against the Islamic State. The cancer of ISIL, left festering in Syria, metastasised with hideous speed throughout the Sunni Corridor in Al Anbar province and sped on technicals (pick-up trucks mounting heavy machine guns, anti-aircraft cannons or recoilless rifles) to take the ancient Arab city of Mosul, even as the Iraqi units assigned to defend it melted away, deserting en masse. In their wake, mass executions, beheadings, rape and despoilment.
Oneness: ... The Islamic State is surrounded by enemies, true enough. Not even Hitler alienated every government in Europe; he had his Quislings here and there. Al Baghdadi has accomplished that difficult feat of being hated by every government around him; whether he is also hated by their populations is another matter. But while the Islamic State is weak and surrounded, his enemies are even weaker, or else severely constrained: ...
BOBBY: Oneness.... correct me if i am wrong....... we have had limited engagement
Oneness: the article points out ... hocked out of ambivalence with the unexpected fall of Iraq’s second city, President Obama ordered Operation Inherent Resolve, a coalition of fifteen nations dedicated to supporting the Iraqi people and military and combating ISIL through the provision of equipment, training and air support to the Iraqi Army. Operations began in Iraq on 15 June 2014 and in Syria on 22 September.
BOBBY: as far as on the ground involvement
Oneness: The last Caliph is dead and there is little chance of Al Baghdadi’s extreme form of Salafist Islam receiving the blessing of the majority of the ummah, so he must establish it militarily and defend it. Any objective observer must admit that they have succeeded so far: they have an army and a territory of 11 million inhabitants to whom they provide basic public services and from whom they collect taxes. That is the definition of a state, at its most basic level.
BOBBY: the whole isis situation has been mishandled/ misread from the start
BOBBY: if you step back and look at it ,the treatment of it does not make sense at all
Oneness: idk ... if you want a single world currency ... you will need a big group for it's initial usage
Oneness: openDemocracy About CanEuropeMakeIt? ArabAwakening openGlobalRights BeyondSlavery civilResistance digitaLiberties OurKingdom OurBeeb oDR oD 50.50 Transformation More Outside the box: is the Islamic State close to victory? FERNANDO BETANCOR 10 September 2015
Many facts belie the myth that Islamic State is on its back heel, and its longevity, proximity to Damascus, as well as the weakness of its enemies mean that it may wreak yet more havoc. Nils Henrik/Demotix.
All rights reserved. The United States looks back on over a year of combat operations against the Islamic State. The cancer of ISIL, left festering in Syria, metastasised with hideous speed throughout the Sunni Corridor in Al Anbar province and sped on technicals (pick-up trucks mounting heavy machine guns, anti-aircraft cannons or recoilless rifles) to take the ancient Arab city of Mosul, even as the Iraqi units assigned to defend it melted away, deserting en masse.
In their wake, mass executions, beheadings, rape and despoilment. Shocked out of ambivalence with the unexpected fall of Iraq’s second city, President Obama ordered Operation Inherent Resolve, a coalition of fifteen nations dedicated to supporting the Iraqi people and military and combating ISIL through the provision of equipment, training and air support to the Iraqi Army.
Operations began in Iraq on 15 June 2014 and in Syria on 22 September. The Islamic State is also celebrating anniversaries. On 26 June they celebrated the one-year anniversary of the new Caliphate, declared by their leader Al Baghdadi. They celebrated in style, with bombings and suicide attacks.
More importantly, however, in October they will celebrate ten years of existence as an organisation. That difference in perception matters: an organisation that has lasted one year might lack legitimacy; but one that has been around for a decade shows staying power.
Longevity has a value all its own, one that Islamic State propaganda has been adept at exploiting. Initial CIA estimates put ISIL strength at between 20,000 and 31
BOBBY: Oneness.... and you think isis plays a part in that?
Oneness: oops ... wrong paste
Oneness: read the article ... it basically saying isis could win the battle
Oneness: The capture of the Syrian capital would be an incalculable propaganda coup for the al-Baghdadi. The sight of the Black Standard over the walls of Damascus and on the Great Mosque might prove to be a sign of divine favour to the Muslim faithful.
How many additional recruits would the Islamic State receive, both in their own territory and through the adhesion of new vilayets such as the dangerous franchises they already have in Libya, Sinai, Yemen and other regions?
The capture of Damascus might be sufficient to cause a reconciliation between ISIL and Al Qaeda, its parent organisation. That would be a very dangerous alliance. It could even cause a major doctrinal shift in Islam. The Islamic State’s theology is a radical form of Salafism.
While almost all Muslim scholars reject so extreme an interpretation of Quranic teachings as deviant and mistaken, there is no guarantee that they will necessarily continue to feel that way. Victory in battle tends to change men’s minds.
BOBBY: Oneness..... do you believe isis could survive against an organized milatary opposition?
Oneness: it has survived at least a year
BOBBY: cause the Iraq army is not such
BOBBY: i believe our National Gaurd is more structured
Oneness: article says ... isis has been going for ten years
Oneness: More importantly, however, in October they will celebrate ten years of existence as an organisation. That difference in perception matters: an organisation that has lasted one year might lack legitimacy; but one that has been around for a decade shows staying power. Longevity has a value all its own, one that Islamic State propaganda has been adept at exploiting.
BOBBY: Oneness....... dont forget....... they started there campaign as a Maliki alternative
Oneness: transformed into the caliphate
Oneness: "the black standard" is a huge ideology in Islam
BOBBY: if you recall.... they stated they would lay down arms with the removal of Maliki
Oneness: lol ... that aint happening now
BOBBY: lol.... nice one
Oneness: they got the feel of power now
BOBBY: when you have people being recruited online in the States, no matter how feeble minded, your onto something
BOBBY: sad part is... and this is really sad..... kids are wearing isis shirts and dont know who they are
Oneness: wow ... idk ... teenage rebellion is always shocking
Oneness: to me ... the isis thing isn't religion ... its just politics ... brought out my humanities starving for peace
BOBBY: there were a few in my town sporting them
BOBBY: i am really surprised it has gone on this long
Oneness: nation states have failed to bring any form of recognizable world peace
BOBBY: strange thing...... peace through violence
Oneness: Jan 9, 2007 - George W. Bush: "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
BOBBY: makes me wonder what kind of world our kids will be left
Oneness: that's politics for ya
BOBBY: listening to Bush speak was like listening to elmer fudd read the phone book lol
Oneness: peace is peace and war is war ... geesh ... but try reasoning with a politician
Oneness: :grin: :dizzy:
BOBBY: maybe it just comes with age but things get thought about
Oneness: isis is just politics, brought about my bad teachers ... though they want to call themselves religious ... islam really died in 1844
Oneness: thats when the real black standard was raised by the followers of the Bab
BOBBY: now i see al qeada is looking for a middle ground with them
Oneness: you saw that too
BOBBY: pardon my spelling
Oneness: this is chatting, not school work, ... lol
Oneness: you know there is an app ... just scan the bar code of a book ... and it will set up the bibliography format for school papers
Oneness: makes me laugh thinking about typewriters, word processors and such
BOBBY: its strange...... when i was my kids age, i had all kinds of theological questions, my kids never even touch the subject
Oneness: i was not interested in theology ... but when i read of Baha'u'llah , my soul found itself a home
BOBBY: guess its a different day, different breed
BOBBY: from what little i researched, it is interesting. ..... the basic beliefs
Oneness: my mom is methodist, my dad agnostic, i found the Baha, my daughter is converting to judaism, my sister buddhist ... its a big big world
BOBBY: must be interesting come holiday time at your house lol
Oneness: my mom likes to say ..." In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
BOBBY: faith is a wonderful thing..... shame it gets perverted
Oneness: agreed ...
BOBBY: gonna call it a night..... you take care....... talk to you in a few ...
Oneness: excellent chatting with you Bobby ... gn'
BOBBY: Baghdad (AFP) - Iraq on Thursday condemned Turkey for sending ground troops onto its territory in pursuit of Kurdish rebels, calling it a "clear violation" of its sovereignty.
"The foreign ministry expresses its condemnation of the incursion of a number of Turkish military units inside Iraqi territory," spokesman Ahmed Jamal said in a statement.
"It represents a clear violation of Iraqi sovereignty and a clear offence to bilateral relations between the two countries," he said.
Turkish special forces entered Iraq on Tuesday in what officials termed a "short-term" incursion in pursuit of fighters from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) allegedly involved in attacks that killed more than two dozen soldiers and police.
The PKK took up arms in 1984 with the aim of establishing an independent state for Turkey's Kurdish minority, although lately its demands have focused on greater autonomy and cultural rights. The PKK and Turkish forces are again trading attacks on the ground and from the air, upending a 2013 ceasefire between the two sides.
Donnie: They got something done yesterday. see above image
Donnie: 09 SEPTEMBER 2015 Gold Daily and Silver Weekly Charts - When the Unsustainable No Longer Sustains “Benign remedies are for the innocent. Misdeeds, once exposed, have no refuge but in audacity. And they had accomplices in all those who feared the same fate.”
Tacitus, Annals Gold and silver were hit early on today, and knocked lower on high volume in relatively quiet trade, while the stock market was being pumped higher.
The Fed would like to set the stage for their FOMC meeting next week, and rather badly so. They are afraid to do it with these unstable equity and bond markets, because if they raise and the market breaks, they will be blamed for it.
You can see that the IMF and the World Bank have already covered their posteriors by warning. And Larry Summers has also chimed in. It is not a 25 basis point increase that will break these markets. They are already broken, an accident waiting to happen.
The trail of policy errors goes back to the Greenspan chairmanship of the FOMC. The Comex continues to bleed out, with additional gold and silver leaving their warehouses yesterday. Registered (deliverable) gold has fallen to 185,314 troy ounces, a low we have not seen since before the year 2000.
On a quick calculation pending the final numbers early tomorrow, I would think that the ratio of paper claim to actual deliverable gold at price is now at an unprecedented level of 226:1.
Say what you will, this is not 'normal.' Unless something changes, you can stick a fork in the NY version of 'price discovery', it is done. Who is going to keep honoring a price set by a bunch of jokers playing liar's poker with a stack of paper claims?
The largest gold bullion exchange in the world outside of Asia, the LBMA in London, is scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find enough bullion to keep satisfying delivery requests for Asia at these prices.
The indications are that the costs to borrow physical for immediate delivery, which means refining into kilobars and shipment to Asia never to return, are so
TxBrand: anyone know if this is true ? Forex rate of 1105.7 ..im not a forex watcher
Doug_W: not I Tx
disciple7: XE: 1140.0016... not sure if that's the same thing or if it answers ur question at all?
captl1: ‹@TxBrand› now there is a surprise lol
Donnie: Iraqi army raids militia HQ suspecting link to Turkish abductions
Donnie: Iraqi security forces raided the Baghdad headquarters of a powerful Iranian-backed Shiite militia overnight, following suspicions that Turkish hostages were being held in the area, security sources and officials said on Friday.
Gunmen in military uniforms seized 18 Turkish workers on Wednesday from a sports stadium they were building in northeastern Baghdad, in what Ankara said appeared to have been a targeted kidnapping. www.todayszaman.com/diplo...
Donnie: First Published: 2015-09-11 Iraq's top Shiite cleric al-Sistani urges faster reforms
Donnie: Sistani warns that without true reform and social justice, Iraq could be "dragged to... partition and the like, God forbid"
Donnie: Iraq's top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, a leading advocate of reform, on Friday urged the government to speed up the pace of change. "We hope that the reform measures will be carried out at a faster pace," Sistani said in a sermon at weekly prayers in Karbala, south of Baghdad, read out by his representative Abdul Mahdi al-Karbalai. Donnie: www.middle-east-online.co...
TxBrand: www.facebook.com/anmar.al... Reidar Visser @reidarvisser · 40m40 minutes ago Extraordinary video of Turkish hostages by unknown Shia militia www.facebook.com/anmar.al... … Includes demand for stop of KRG oil export to Turkey
TxBrand: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser · 26m26 minutes ago Demands in Turkish hostage video by Shia militia are mix of Iraq nationalism (re KRG oil) and pan-Shiism (end siege of Syrian Shia villages)
TxBrand: Turkish hostages were taken in Shia area of Baghdad; Iraq army subsequently clashed with Shia militia
TxBrand: Gunmen in military uniforms seized 18 Turkish workers on Wednesday from a sports stadium they were building in northeastern Baghdad, in what Ankara said appeared to have been a targeted kidnapping.
Donnie: ‹@TxBrand› you beat me to posting that. :)
Donnie: i'm glad i looked before pasting
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