Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 8-9-15
Wealthwatch Evening Member Chat 8-9-15
chattels: ‹@OOTW› Do you have a link for the report of Abadi dismissing himself ? That sounds as though Abadi has dissolved his government which is done in Parliamentary systems from time to time tantamount to a vote of no confidence
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 12 hours ago Abolishing #Iraq dpy PMs & VPs now hinge on parliament approval. Note that situation without ANY vice presidents is constitutionally dubious.
chattels: Visser is, IMO, an authority on the Iraqi constitution.
chattels: twitter.com/reidarvisser LINK
newbieDA: ‹@chattels› heres another thing someone said
newbieDA: Tariq Harb weighing in & saying House has no vote in Abadi's reform based on Article 78.
newbieDA: its more of gesture
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 13h13 hours ago #Iraq VP Nujayfi instructs his ministers to support PM Abadi's reform measures that include dismissing VPs & dpy PMs www.alliraqnews.com/modul... …
newbieDA: no clue who Tariq is
newbieDA: ya know its breaking breaking news when you see twitter feeds lol
chattels: ‹@newbieDA› Maliki's lawyer, a shiite
newbieDA: trust me I know
newbieDA: ya please help me with identifying people, I only know laws that need to be passed
JethroTexasTea: Vice coalition of state law calls for al-Jubouri broadcast vote on the reform package session 8/11/2015 Picture Twilight News / MP for the coalition of state law Haider Star Sire House Speaker Salim al-broadcast vote on the Cabinet decisions session through the media.
Mawla said in a statement to the media library that "the Prime Minister today took a courageous and decisive decisions and responded to the religious authority and the demands of the demonstrators in Baghdad and the provinces to cancel a major positions of the Republic and the Vice-Minister and feminine ministries and detect corrupt people in the departments and institutions of the state."
Mawla and between that "We support the decisions that Takzha Abadi and the Council of Ministers at today's meeting," stressing that "the coalition will stand with Abadi in the adoption of decisions at a hearing next Tuesday." Mawla added that "the presidency of the parliament today claim by making the vote on the Cabinet decisions in public session and display the names of voters and abstainers decisions on the media to inform people of the truth and refuse to support reform in the government." translate.google.com/tran...
chattels: ‹@newbieDA› my read on the Tariq Harb article was less clear - title did not match content, IMO
newbieDA: hello WALL
EdoBini: That guy in the central bank must go. He is not an Economist nor a financial monetary specialist. He is not even a Bank pro.
newbieDA: Edo, got it on my list, needs to be done
newbieDA: ty chattels, ya it was hear say
newbieDA: well someone opinion
JethroTexasTea: ya it be me haha
newbieDA: I have been curious all day, but mainly been looking for my law groups to be passed : and what direction we are going - I will share if I can
newbieDA: Security Corruption Important Laws _______
Amnesty Law - 1st Reading Complete National Reconciliation Law National Guard - 2nd Reading Complete Federal Court Act Justice and Accountability Law Council Law of Parties Law of Treaties - 1st Reading Complete Anti-Money Laundering and Terrorism Financing Law - At Parliament, October Investment Law - 2nd Reading Complete Banking Law Islamic Banking Law - 2nd Reading Complete CBI law Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act - by September 15, 2015 Financial Deposits Protection Act National Card Law - 1st Reading Complete Federal Revenue Law - 2nd Reading Complete Federal Civil Service Law OIL & GAS (HCL)
Article 140 Erbil Agreement __________ 2015 Article IV Consultation - July 29, 2015 and Request for Disbursement Under the Rapid Financing Instrument Tariffs - Implemented August 1st, discontinued til 2016 Credit Rating - Fitch B- 8/7 International Bonds - domestic August 2nd 50k Note - August 100k Note - 2016 Lower Denoms - 2017 Avoid being Blacklisted - by December 2015 CBI Governor ________________
IMF - Move to Article VIII Internationally Accepted Currency WTO - World Trade Organization National Card Act - Launched 7/25/2015
newbieDA: this was plan here - see Security, we had alot of that in articles
newbieDA: now corruption
BOBBY: Chattels... is it the deputy pm post or the actual pm post?
JethroTexasTea: corruption imo should be last frontier prior to a rate change but just my own speculative opinion
newbieDA: you'll see an update on how it progresses
JethroTexasTea: why be so concerned about corruption as it pertains to toilet paper for no reason all of a sudden
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› deputy posts is what I have read - there are three (3)
JethroTexasTea: I have monopoly money in the closet...I can care less if someone takes it or the game board honestly
JethroTexasTea: I can go back to toys r us and buy it again
newbieDA: ‹@JethroTexasTea› well I read the articles and they say this has to be done first, its a list from what they say needs to be done
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› a Shiite, a Kurd and a Sunni, another quota
newbieDA: ‹@chattels› what do they all have in common? the dinar
JethroTexasTea: one thing is for sure we're about to find out a lot
newbieDA: well the order I placed everything at is what they said - it changes everyday
BOBBY: Chattels... so are the Dawa party on board with this?
newbieDA: ‹@BOBBY› this is my list who is
newbieDA: Keywords (CBI), Jubouri (Parliament), Sadrists movement, Kurds, Maliki himself, CoM and Iran now all support this
JethroTexasTea: civil war or reform
JethroTexasTea: I really don't see any grey area but we shall find out
chattels: Hoshyar Zebari, a Kurd, is one of three deputy prime ministers.
newbieDA: ya list freak heh
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› seems so to me and indeed they may be at the heart of it
chattels: ‹@newbieDA› no real commonality
newbieDA: its all over the place chattels, my point
chattels: Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and former Parliament Speaker Osama al-Nujeifi were given the largely ceremonial posts of vice president.
captl1: This is a great move forward for Iraq
chattels: ‹@newbieDA› they represent each of the three principal political factions, a quota of one each
newbieDA: ‹@captl1› although it is a move, its a different move, off track, but good
Fit2beFit: ?????? -- HE CAN DISMISS HIS MINISTERS AND VICE MINISTERS BUT THAT’S AS FAR AS HE CAN GO. THE VICE PRESIDENTS REQUIRE TIME TO REMOVE AND IS OUT OF THE HANDS OF ABADI.-----?????
captl1: It brings the main factions closer
JethroTexasTea: Thousands of Iraqis gathered in 4 provinces in support Abadi reforms 8/9 8/11/2015 Picture Thousands of Iraqis gathered in the four provinces of support for "reform steps Abadi".......
Iraq - Anatolia - rallied thousands of Iraqis, on Sunday, in four Iraqi provinces, in support of the actions taken by the Iraqi prime minister, "Haider al-Abadi," which, aimed to make political reforms, and improve the economic reality, and the fight against corruption of the financial and administrative.
Reporters gathered activists and civilians in Tahrir Square, the center of the capital, "Baghdad", in support of the action Abadi, adopted by the Council of Ministers today at its special session, and raised during the vigil of solidarity banners reading "people authorized Abadi."
He said, "Mohammed Hassan", one of the participants in the vigil Altdaminh, told Anatolia: "The measures approved by the Council of Ministers today is the precedent .. Yes, we feel that there is hope in the reform, and rebuilding the country after years of corruption and destruction."
"We stand in solidarity today with the Prime Minister in reforms has taken, and we will watch the House of Representatives this week, voted in favor of steps Abadi is required, although there were opposition and the reluctance of new Fsntazahr against the dissolution of parliament and call."
The provinces also saw "Babel," and "Maysan," and "Dhi Qar" this evening, and stops of solidarity for the hundreds of citizens, an expression of support for the reform steps Abadi, through to the implementation of all the terms and paper reform approved by the Council of Ministers today.
The paper included the reform announced by Abadi and adopted later the Council of Ministers, the abolition of the special allocations presidencies, bodies and institutions, and the abolition of the posts of Vice President and Prime Minister, and the reopening of past and current files of corruption, in a move that is the first of its kind, on the road to a broad reforms. Abadi steps
captl1: He has the religious authority behind him
newbieDA: ‹@Fit2beFit› its a chess game, hoping he gets real peices place, see actual CBI Governor maybe even
JethroTexasTea: translate.google.com/tran... LINK
captl1: This will expedite things
newbieDA: ‹@captl1› yes it will
JethroTexasTea: ‹@captl1› yep by a mile
newbieDA: I am not complaining lol
whitelions: ‹@captl1› did you see tat one picture with the article of Maliki asking him to stop what he is doing the pictuer is of Hakim point at Maliki to get out lol
newbieDA: ‹@captl1› this is what it has done so far wealthwatch.world/showthr...
newbieDA: top post
captl1: Next the international courts will take care of the arrests
BOBBY: Chattels..... is the Cbi governer postion changing?
newbieDA: over due National Guard law and Amnesty Law
Fit2beFit: Central banks experiencing the biggest drop in foreign exchange reserves
newbieDA: ‹@BOBBY› not yet, future I see
whitelions: Al-Maliki begged the wise to stop the decision of dismissal. The latter refuses: remove public demand was supported by Shiite! www.theiqdteam.com/blog/a...
chattels: I believe that Hamoudi is the Shiite dpm
captl1: I understand the constitutional way things need to be done and who is to say that hasn't already started.
JethroTexasTea: ‹@newbieDA› yep and Iraq will be sitting like a dead duck via the world bank 60 day deadline
chattels: Sorry, I was wrong, Rowsch Nuri Shaways is from the Kurdistan List
JethroTexasTea: so the next few weeks got my eyes glued
captl1: Remember they only tell us what they want us to know.
newbieDA: I agree Jethro, its not good timing
chattels: Mutlaq is the Sunni, Iraqiya, dpm
EdoBini: @Jethro Texas Tea. thanks for your post.
newbieDA: they would have bring back Shabibi
JethroTexasTea: well personally Iraq never does anything with too much time on their hands from just watching over the years
newbieDA: get er done
JethroTexasTea: I like to see them under pressure
newbieDA: but not counting on that myself, they'll wait
JethroTexasTea: Abadi looking out his window with Sadr and his military with tanks not a pleasant alternative
whitelions: ‹@captl1› ' I dissagree their papers work just like ours some good some bad and some in between we check everyday
which Allaq, CBI governor, is one
captl1: The people won't let them wait
JethroTexasTea: well I see civil war if they wait
JethroTexasTea: don't see where they kick the can outta this one
captl1: You really think they show their hand?
Donnie: ‹@chattels› i was hoping Allaq would be included with this sweep
captl1: ‹@JethroTexasTea› I agree
Donnie: ‹@chattels› TY
EdoBini: RV is the Key to their well being.
JethroTexasTea: ‹@captl1› I think the people are a hair away from Sadr telling them to hit the streets hard
JethroTexasTea: if the reforms are not implemented fullly
JethroTexasTea: he's already said it
newbieDA: ‹@JethroTexasTea› it'll turn into Iran
JethroTexasTea: yep and I seriously doubt the big boyz want that to happen
JethroTexasTea: so to me it's either/or
JethroTexasTea: guess we'll find out here soon enuf =)
captl1: Allawi will be gone as well and so will his whining about everything
newbieDA: ‹@JethroTexasTea› and like you said, there is no time for all that
whitelions: ‹@captl1› no more so than any other country in the world thats all I'm saying nothing different
newbieDA: remember, if your saying civil war if they comply, then you have to think domestic laws first
captl1: ‹@whitelions› they are masters of deceit.
newbieDA: opps dont comply
JethroTexasTea: ‹@newbieDA› if Sadr says hit the streets the citizens are prolly not gonna look at blacks law to sort all that out tho
newbieDA: these laws first
newbieDA: Amnesty Law - 1st Reading Complete National Reconciliation Law National Guard - 2nd Reading Complete Federal Court Act Justice and Accountability Law Council Law of Parties Law of Treaties - 1st Reading Complete
captl1: This is a well orchestrated plan IMO
newbieDA: ‹@captl1› it has been orchestrated, I agree
whitelions: ‹@captl1› so are we so is russia and china Africa Iran so on and so on
JethroTexasTea: they've been reading and re-reading these laws for soo long...now that Lurch is outta the way hopefully they'll press forward and get them done
newbieDA: once they get that done
newbieDA: Anti-Money Laundering and Terrorism Financing Law - At Parliament, October Investment Law - 2nd Reading Complete Banking Law Islamic Banking Law - 2nd Reading Complete CBI law Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act - by September 15, 2015 Financial Deposits Protection Act National Card Law - 1st Reading Complete Federal Revenue Law - 2nd Reading Complete Federal Civil Service Law
JethroTexasTea: reforms or go for broke
newbieDA: I am praying for baskets
newbieDA: then the big ones, hold out til here
newbieDA: OIL & GAS (HCL) Article 140 Erbil Agreement
BOBBY: Chattels....... Sunday cigar time lol
captl1: They have been waiting for the proper steps to be taken in order to keep the religious factions from civil war
newbieDA: thats what Iraq said, by reading the articles
JethroTexasTea: ‹@captl1› best thing abadi could've done was what he did today yep
newbieDA: other notes
captl1: On a kindle..sorry
newbieDA: 2015 Article IV Consultation - July 29, 2015 and Request for Disbursement Under the Rapid Financing Instrument Tariffs - Implemented August 1st, discontinued til 2016 Credit Rating - Fitch B- 8/7 International Bonds - domestic August 2nd 50k Note - August 100k Note - 2016 Lower Denoms - 2017 Avoid being Blacklisted - by December 2015 CBI Governor
captl1: ‹@JethroTexasTea› I agree
BOBBY: JethroTexasTea...... rounds on me sir :grin:
newbieDA: IMF has not published that consultation yet
captl1: Smart move
JethroTexasTea: 3. activation strategies discreet work prepared by State institutions, including in particular what has been achieved in cooperation with international organizations.
JethroTexasTea: under financial reform portion of Abadi's plan
newbieDA: IMF - Move to Article VIII Internationally Accepted Currency WTO - World Trade Organization
newbieDA: ‹@JethroTexasTea› yep
JethroTexasTea: " cooperation with international organizations." ....IMF/World Bank/UN anyone?
JethroTexasTea: can't wait for them to reveal whatever "strategies"
JethroTexasTea: ‹@newbieDA› me neither lol
captl1: Next few days will be interesting
chattels: Kurdish politician and former Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari was named as one of three deputy prime ministers.
chattels: english.alarabiya.net/en/... LINK
chattels: I may get this correct yet.
JethroTexasTea: ‹@chattels› wow
whitelions: I have to admit this has been the most exciting year I have been in this waiting game and it's just getting better lol
newbieDA: ‹@whitelions› I agree - an education
whitelions: yes I'll be keeping my eye on other countries money just for sport from now on
newbieDA: ‹@BOBBY› think we'll all have parties too
BOBBY: whitelions..... should be interesting to hear the teams take on all this
EdoBini: Reported in recaps, 20 minutes ago. Iraq Military Forces prevented Maliki from leaving the Country at Baghdad Airport.
chattels: ‹@EdoBini› was that the father or the son ?
EdoBini: Former Iraqi Prime Minister was effectively prevented from leaving the Country. Was stopped at the Airport.
Fit2beFit: ‹@EdoBini› Is there an article for that
BOBBY: Chattels...... i believe the son is out of the country, seeking asylum
chattels: ‹@EdoBini› share the link with us please
EdoBini: Report was found at Recaps
sczin11: airport security to prevent al-Maliki from traveling after an argument with protection[dir=ltr] [/dir] [img=550pxx345px]http://today-news.org/media/news/5.14391548151996915505.jpg[/img] Publishing Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:13:35 | Views: 1436 Sources from inside the Baghdad airport: airport security to prevent al-Maliki from traveling after an argument with the protection and Nuri al-Maliki is trying to leave Iraq now to Syria in secret
chattels: Sources from inside the Baghdad airport: airport security to prevent al-Maliki from traveling after an argument with the protection and Nuri al-Maliki is trying to leave Iraq now to Syria in secret.
Fit2beFit: to prevent al-Maliki from traveling....but where is the one thats EdoBini: Former Iraqi Prime Minister was effectively prevented from leaving the Country. Was stopped at the Airport.
chattels: " an argument with the protection " - I wonder if Maliki's protection has been removed / reduced per Abadi ?
sczin11: ‹@chattels› PART OF EARLIER REPORTS STATED ALL PROTECTION UNITS BEING REASSUGNED TO MILITARY
EdoBini: An argument with or prevented from leaving Iraq at this time is very refreshing to ears.
chattels: Abadi issued orders to stop the salaries and allowances of all protections of retired officials
sczin11: IF THE HAPPENINGS OF TODAY COME TO FRUITION, ONE HAS TO WONDER WHO US RULING AND GOVERNING IRAQ? WILL MARTIAL LAW BE PUT IN PLACE? WILL THE USA LED COALITION TAKE OVER?
b I AM SEARCHING FOR AN ARTICLE FROM THURSDAY, WHEN TARIFFS WERE POSTPONED, THERE WAS A VERSION THAT TALKED ABOUT THEY WERE WAITING FOR BORDERS TO BE UNDER CONTROL, WITH AMERICAN HELP...IF ANYONE HAS THAT ARTICLE HANDY, PLEASE BRING IT IN, OR SEND TO ME...I KNOW IT IS OUT THERE:)
chattels: translate.google.com/tran... LINK
chattels: Tomorrow Press / Baghdad: issued commander of the armed forces, Haider al-Abadi, Sunday, orders to stop the salaries and allowances of all protections of retired officials.
A source in the Council of Ministers for "tomorrow Press," that "al-Abadi issued orders to stop the salaries and allowances of all protections of retired officials," noting that "many of the former ministers and officials have rejected this decision."
chattels: .........." all protections of retired officials," ...........
chattels: is Maliki now considered a " retired official " ?
chattels: ‹@sczin11› Iraqi Premier Haidar al-Ibadi postponed the implementation of the new customs tariff till all border outlets would be ready for such action.
chattels: www.iraqtradelinknews.com... http://www.iraqtradelinknews.com/2015/08/new-iraqi-customs-tariff-postponed.html
EdoBini: Obama sent over 1900 Military Personnel to Iraq few days ago.
sczin11: ‹@chattels› THERE WAS A PISTING, I BELIEVE FROM PM FB PAGE STATING THEY WERE SEEKING OR WAITING ON AMERICAN SUPPORT AT BORDERS
chattels: ‹@sczin11› this is all i could find on facebook from Abadi about the tariffs
chattels: Haider Al-Abadi August 6 at three six pm · Our face to postpone the introduction of the new customs tariff until ensure the readiness of all border crossings to enforce the law away from the corruption and double standards.
And the Ministry of Finance took all necessary measures to ensure this. Our faces to postpone work-Tariff Alkmr New American preparedness for Ensuring all border outlets for law enforcement away from Corruption and double standards. The Ministry of finance and take all Necessary Measures to Ensure this.
TxBrand: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad · 3h3 hours ago Maliki says he supports reforms that are in line with the constitution. I translate that to mean that one VP must be retained
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 11h11 hours ago @SajadJiyad Getting rid of unnecessary deputies is laudable. However, one VP and 2 dpy speakers are constitutionally mandated in Iraq.
Abraham: ‹@TxBrand› mentored by the USA so that can be ignored
chattels: @SajadJiyad Best course for Abadi maybe to shrink govt while also keeping the minimum of deputy positions mandated by Iraq's constitution.
EdoBini: Was Maliki saying so from the Airport soon after he stopped from travelling to Syria or possibly Iran ?????
sczin11: ‹@chattels› THATS UT THANK YOU.. LOOK Our faces to postpone work-Tariff Alkmr New American preparedness for Ensuring all border outlets for law enforcement away from Corruption and double
chattels: Sajad Jiyad @SajadJiyad 3h3 hours ago @reidarvisser yes I agree, important for PM to keep to constitution, avoid pitfalls that can be used by anti-reform group
TxBrand: www.cpifinancial.net/news... Fitch Ratings has assigned Iraq a Long-term foreign currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) of 'B-' with a Stable Outlook. The agency has also assigned a Country Ceiling of 'B-' and a Short-term IDR of 'B'.