Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 9-15-15
Wealthwatch Late Evening Chat 9-15-15 Part 2 of 2
chattels: WASHINGTON DC – A five-member delegation of Shabak Kurds urged the United States to help liberate their villages from the clutches of the Islamic State group (ISIS) by boosting military supplies to the Kurdistan Region’s Peshmerga forces.
“We met officials from the State Department and asked for complete support of Peshmerga forces,” Salim Jumaa Khudhur, an Iraqi MP from the Shabak minority, told Rudaw.
“We told them (American officials) that our land, the villages of Shabaks, Yezidis, Kakais, Christians and Turkmens cannot be freed without supporting the Peshmerga,” said Khudhur, whose delegation arrived in Washington last week at the invitation of the US government. chattels: rudaw.net/english/kurdist...
chattels: Khudhur denied that the delegation had asked Washington for support in arming a Shabak battalion as an independent force. He said the Shabak battalion is under the direct control of the KRG’s Peshmerga ministry.
Another member of the delegation, Ghazwan Aldawody, a is from the Nineveh provincial council, complained that Shabaks are targeted for their ethnicity as well as their religious beliefs.
“First they are Kurds and second the majority of Shabak are Shiites.”Even before ISIS, al-Qaeda was targeting the Shabak. We lost 1,400 people at the hands of al-Qaeda in Mosul,” he said.
chattels: The sooner we arm and empower the Kurds, the sooner DAESH may be ousted, IMO.
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› I am so sick of reading about these Islamic groups nothing positive ! just a culture of death and hate because of what people believe ! i have a hard time understanding this
chattels: Even if the Kurds are " gaming " the system, I have no problem with an armed friend in the Kurds post DAESH
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› they seem to be the lesser of the evil's
chattels: ‹@lonegunman› The U.S.A. has done the Kurds wrong before - hopefully not this time.
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› no comment
chattels: said the board member of the Presidency of the Council of Representatives Hamoudi Tuesday, on the completion of the organizational structure of the parliament and to get rid of excess functional loops in it.
A statement by his office received by all of Iraq [where] a copy of "Presidential Commission, in consultation with all its departments, will proceed to take action and decisions contribute to the development of the organizational structure of the parliament and the disposal of functional loops and excess adoption of efficiency in the performance." chattels: www.alliraqnews.com/modul...
lonegunman: we have larry moe and curly and abbott and costello handling foreign affair's, it's al good
chattels: ‹@lonegunman› I am a Kurd sympathizer, I confess it.
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› I am too to an extent , i have to remind myself I cannot cast the first stone
chattels: MP from the Union of Iraqi forces, Abd al-Rahim al-Shammari, on Tuesday, said the reforms of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi "weak", and it's no more than to be "absorb the resentment of the street."
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› they have endured much ! and been complicate in much
chattels: www.alliraqnews.com/modul... http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15714
chattels: Some of the Sunnis are unimpressed with the extent and pace of reforms it appears to me.
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› dont know about weak ! i think he is genuine in his attempt to make things better
lonegunman: ‹@chattels› of course they are
chattels: BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / The prime minister Haider al-Abadi possibility out of the country out of its crisis stronger, on condition of despair and be patient positive.
A statement of the Office Abadi he was quoted as saying in a speech during the workshop implementation of economic reforms, which were held under the slogan / advancement of the agricultural sector in order to support the national economy /:
"Some of the bureaucratic procedures contribute to disrupt the work and procedures, and we have taken a project to simplify these procedures and raise excess episodes obtrusive, and we will hold all of the cause in this matter", stressing the importance of real partnership between the private and public sectors.
He Abadi: "The citizens We want reform and we are working and continue the implementation of reforms, and there are obstacles cumulative work hard to overcome, and there are attempts to block these reforms, especially of those affected, but we will continue it and to reduce government spending even if rising oil prices, because this approach is wrong and harmful to the state. chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details.
chattels: Political Submit Massoud Barzani: Kurdistan region will not become part of the sectarian conflict in the region 09/14/2015 22:56 Arbil / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / President of Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani stressed that the province will not be part of the sectarian conflict in the region.
chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details... http://ninanews.com/News_Details.aspx?3jJq9VBFc9U%252fBWQ3qnlcGA%253d%253d
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chattels: Barzani calls on the international community to rewrite the political structure in the region 09/14/2015 21:06 chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details... http://ninanews.com/News_Details.aspx?mQR2ylgWSnFGeT2vaMYSFg%253d%253d
chattels: " to rewrite the political structure in the region " = Kurdish independence, IMO
chattels: Parliamentarians confirms that the House does not have to accelerate the pace of government reforms that have exceeded the established limits of time with authority, and they talked about restless street from the slow implementation of the measures.
And it is waiting for the House of Representatives, since the endorsement of the reforms, the prime minister offered bills to be passed in as little as a month, as promised by the Presidency of the Parliament in an earlier meeting with al-Abadi.
chattels: MP says Alloizi Abdul Rahman, a member of the Alliance of Iraqi forces, "should not be exceeded Altokiet because it will give a negative signal to the street." And confirms Alloizi (range) that "Parliament is restricted because of a previous law issued by the Federal Court determines to propose laws only the government,"
adding that "Parliament was now waiting for the government to send those proposals, such as the number of members of the Court of Cassation or covered by the revocation of citizenship or alternative managed by proxy positions names ".
The member of the coalition forces, saying "upon the arrival of proposals to parliament, then we will be responsible for implementation and the time before that we are not responsible for the time limit."
chattels: Parliament pointing the finger at Abadi for the slow pace of reforms it appears to me.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... Courtesy of sczin11 http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=2184
chattels: "Parliament is restricted because of a previous law issued by the Federal Court determines to propose laws only the government," is a reference to the Iraqi Supreme Court decision that the COM proposes bills and the Parliament enacts them.
chattels: The Parliament cannot enact what has not yet been proposed is the point I believe.
chattels: The COM did act today on the VP law : #Iraq cabinet summary for today announces agreement on draft law for abolishing vice presidency law from 2012 pmo.iq/press2015/15-9-201... … http://pmo.iq/press2015/15-9-20151.htm
chattels: We shall see what becomes of it in the Parliament, but Visser reminds us of a constitutional issue : #Iraq cabinet decision on abolishing VP law goes some way towards establishing legality for Aug reforms. 1 VP still required by constitution
newbieDA: Tomorrow .. Parliament resumes its vote on legal investment and the fight against money laundering Since 09/15/2015 20:22 pm (Baghdad time) Baghdad scales News House of Representatives resumes its legislative term of the 23 first second legislative year, on Wednesday, vote on legal investment and the fight against money laundering. It said the information department of the parliament in a statement received / scales News / copy of it,
that "the agenda tomorrow's meeting the work will include a vote on the draft second amendment bill to the Investment Law No. 13 of 2006 and the vote on the draft anti-money laundering law and the financing of terrorism."
The statement added, "The agenda also includes the second reading of the draft regulation Human Organ Transplantation Act and prevent trafficking by the second reading of the draft for the second reading of the law of security companies to project universities and colleges civil law" .anthy 29 / d 25 www.mawazin.net/%D8%BA%D8...LINK
chattels: I posted erroneously earlier today that Shaways was the other VP when in fact it is / was Nujaify.
chattels: Does anyone else read the following to mean that Allawi has resigned his office as VP ?
chattels: He said that al-Abadi to Otalb me to step down to agreed because I am in the third of the month of May I wrote my resignation Were it not for the existence of terrorism and I am concerned regionally and not Iraqis only to resist terrorism, stuck to my resignation and did not retract them and finished the subject of the political process. chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details... http://ninanews.com/News_Details.aspx?MWPm2SAzRMb8G48Jc6IXhQ%253d%253d
chattels: And / or that Maliki may have filed suit over his position as VP ?
chattels: " ......... I know that lawsuits outstanding against the measure by ministers and legal institutions and by one of the Vice-President of the Republic .......... " chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details... http://ninanews.com/News_Details.aspx?MWPm2SAzRMb8G48Jc6IXhQ%253d%253d
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... evening. ...... question when you get time
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› sure, " gahead "
BOBBY: Hypothetical. .... what would the Kurds breaking away do to Iraq in your opinion
chattels: Depends upon the extent of the separation and whether they would continue to share a common currency I would think
BOBBY: Chattels. ...lol. that was the next one
chattels: relative to our event that is
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... was wondering if they would want there own
chattels: confederation definition : A group of nations or states, or a government encompassing several states or political divisions, in which the component states retain considerable independence. The members of a confederation often delegate only a few powers to the central authority.
BOBBY: Chattels. ..... did you see Kaps post yesterday about the reforms and de pegging?
chattels: " A confederation is a loose consortium of its member states with a decentralized government that prints a common currency and eliminates trade barriers between confederation members. The member states retain most of the power."
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› I did
BOBBY: Chattels. ..... interesting thoughts on it
chattels: A confederation (also known as confederacy or league) is a union of political units for common action in relation to other units.
Usually created by treaty but often later adopting a common constitution, confederations tend to be established for dealing with critical issues (such as defense, foreign affairs, or a common currency), with the central government being required to provide support for all members.
chattels: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› I have contemplated it for some time now, but I have no conclusion(s).
chattels: I do not know that the KRG and the GOI could agree upon even defense, foreign affairs, or a common currency
BOBBY: Chattels. ........ surprised if they can agree on a lunch order lol
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› :)
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Very troubled and troubling is government in Iraq. One of the reasons that some friends of mine declined to invest in the IQD.
BOBBY: Chattels. ........ its not for the faint of heart or the impatient
chattels: They do not believe that Iraq can create or support an environment suitable to a good return of investment with the IQD in the foreseeable future.
chattels: I have wagered heavily that Iraq can and will.
BOBBY: I would have to diagree with your friends outlook
chattels: My family still has confederate money also though :)
chattels: The IQD will make more colorful wallpaper. :)
BOBBY: i believe things are just moving at there pace, not the dinarian speed
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Kap may be correct. Who knows ? I certainly do not.
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... wonder how the Swiss felt lol
chattels: My belief is that Iraq is delayed by it's own internal ( corruption ) and external ( DAESH and Oil price ) issues, for what it is worth to you or anyone.
BOBBY: i agree with that statement 100 proof
BOBBY: I also believe they cant just rely on oil alone
chattels: I use the term corruption in the broadest sense to include political factionalism and legislative gridlock.
BOBBY: GOI........ its just riddled with corruption from the top down
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› The world financial community wants to see diversification for the very reason that we are witnessing with the reduction in oil prices and the threat of economic collapse, IMO.
BOBBY: i believe this whole process to assign value to the Dinar is more involved then what people were led to believe at first, ie contact rates etc.
chattels: It will be a miracle if Iraq can declare and the world accept any substantial increase in the value of the IQD under the current circumstances, IMO.
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› I have consumed alot of IQD " kool aid " over the years.
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... i look at it as things/circumstances need to be correct, everything else is noise along the way, my opinion only
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... your not the only one.......... i threw a few shots of it back myself
chattels: It was " too good to be true " in the beginning and thus far nothing has been true.
BOBBY: But in the end it was the start of doing the reaserch of this and forming my own conclusion
chattels: But our event is alot like being " a little bit pregnant " - either you is or you ain't :)
BOBBY: i am sure we is lol
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Well, I am ready for that baby to be delivered ! :)
chattels: Gestation metaphors not being alien to the dinar community
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... hey...... Oct 1 is near.......... wait for it...... lol
chattels: " Otay " :)
chattels: One aspect of being involved for so long and having acquired all of the IQD that one can likely use is that there is no anxiety about buying more and I can be as jaded or pessimistic as I like and still be very happily well rewarded even if I am wrong about the timing of it all
chattels: the only anxiety attends to the prospect of a collapse of Iraq and the currency that I hold is worthless
BOBBY: oh i agree.... lord knows i went through the hoarding stage
chattels: i have resolved to take my chances and go for broke :)
chattels: But i do not have to engage in " happy talk " along the way :)
BOBBY: I remember the first time i listened to the Iqd team,,,,,, the start of the wake up
BOBBY: the nonsense always falls to the side of the road......
MichelleL: no thoughts of "cutting your losses" chattels, and selling back half? Hello friends :)
BB824: iraq will never ever co lapse again
BB824: oil runs are world and iraq is to powerful with it
Dianne777: thats good to hear
[08:42:12 PM] *SCZIN11: Iranian militias to prevent the adoption of the Iraqi National Guard Law Arar - Jasser hawkish [dir=ltr]He stood Iraqi militias affiliated to Iran to prevent passing the approval of the approval of the National Guard in the Iraqi Parliament,
which aims at the formation of the National Guard of the sons of the Iraqi provinces to defeat the terrorist organization Daash who controls their areas.
A member of the Council of the Iraqi parliament, "Riyadh retain its name" that the National Guard Law as well as the accountability and justice and the law of the amnesty law, as well as all the balance from within the paper the political agreement in the Iraqi government,
and added that the basis of the formation of the National Guard is to the provinces and areas controlled by the organization Daash terrorist,
with the participation of the people of the affected provinces of the terrorist organization and other provinces in order to be here fairness in the distribution of military and security Iraqi and balance,
and stated that the Shiite blocs in parliament initially approval on the political paper, but soon her opinion changed after he became a militia force on the ground ahead of the crowd popular,
but it turns out that the recent agreement that was the difference that they are aiming to put the leaders of the popular crowd in the Guard leadership and the General Command of the Guard and exit of people of other components that controls the areas of the terrorist organization Daash leadership Guard.
He added that this penetration of basic material which provides for the formation of the National Guard of all the sons of the province controlled by organizing Daash to take into account the mixed ingredients down of the province of administrative units,
this article did not achieve their aspirations to serve the people of all of Iraq, but they are seeking to be driving in the hands of drivers Crowd popular, as agreed agreed to lead Guard officers from the former army and the current is not involved in any political parties
*SCZIN11: follow any component, and this principle was eventually stopped by militias in order to be president is not military in the Iraqi army to achieve the goal of the leaders of militias crowd.
He pointed out that those militias began launches media permits assert rejected the National Guard Law, and attribute this that the law aims to restore the dissolved Baath Party and consists of Doaash and reject it in toto,
though, that the law from within the political agreement and all of the regulated by the sons of the tribes affected areas not to follow any party or hand,
and pointed to a number of Iranian militias serving a foreign agenda aimed at non-Iraqi agreement to counter the terrorist organization Daash and address the deteriorating security and economic and social conditions in which Iraq is going through.
*SCZIN11: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=2186