Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 9-14-15
Wealthwatch Member Chat 9-14-15 Part 1 of 2
chattels: There is a danger in over simplifying the meaning and intent of the demonstrations ongoing in Iraq. For a good discussion of the social and political dynamics attendant to same, see Iraqis protest corruption, lack of services while politicians blame everyone but themselves Read more: www.al-monitor.com/pulse/...
chattels: The ongoing protests in Iraq have brought together religious, civilian, secularist, communist and other communities. They all seek to reform the system and eradicate corruption within the Iraqi government. It seems that religious slogans and figures, especially Sistani, are exploited to attack the protests in order to create a rift between the protesters.
This rift will push the secularist community to retaliate by attacking the religious community, thus leading it to drop out of the protests. This way it will be easy to suppress nonreligious protesters under the pretext of fighting infidelity and atheism.
Read more: www.al-monitor.com/pulse/...http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/08/iraq-protests-reforms-iran-najaf-support-oppose.html#ixzz3lgj5qyUP
Donnie: Iraq Live Update @IraqLiveUpdate 6h6 hours ago 'Fake' Terrorist who became refugee is ACTUALLY a terrorist but with a pro-west rebel group!
Donnie: Now there are FAKE terrorists along with FAKE refugees? lol
Doug_W: its a FAKE if U ask me
chattels: A security expert revealed to [where] that the leader of the terrorist Daash gangs called [Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi] is in the city of Mosul for more than a year and did not leave. Some media have recently reported the arrival of al-Baghdadi to Mosul, coming from tenderness in Syria central elements Daash the city's crackdown.
The British Daily Telegraph quoted in an article in the second last May from Iraqi government sources as saying that "al-Baghdadi, was paralyzed since March 18 / March last after suffering a spine, where his convoy targeted in Baaj village in the province of Nineveh, near the border with Syria."
chattels: Parliament resumes its vote on a block porn sites from the Internet www.alliraqnews.com/modul. http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15594
BOBBY: Chattels....... thought the net was down. lol
chattels: Parliament Speaker Salim al Monday leave for London at the official invitation. The Jubouri had visited Qatar on 3 September this also visited Iran last Friday and met during visits with senior leaders and officials in the two countries and focused his talks on bilateral relations and the challenges of the region and ways to ensure the success of the national reconciliation project in Alarac.
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Porn always " gets through " :)
Donnie: 2 laws voted on today so far
chattels: ‹@Donnie› That noise control legistation on generators in residential neighborhoods ought to bring on the " RV ", eh ? :)
chattels: HUGE ! :)
chattels: FANTASTIC NEWS ! :)
BOBBY: Chattels. ... did you see the article that Russia is running flights over Iraq?
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› I did not
Donnie: ‹@BOBBY› as they should be....
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› military, civil relief or commercial ?
Donnie: Russia and Iran, Iran and Iraq, so Russia and Iraq. simple math: a=b, b=c so a=c :)
chattels: with or without Iraqi permission ?
chattels: ‹@Donnie› such logic may get you in trouble :)
BOBBY: let me find it
chattels: If Juburi is to be in London this week then I question how much will be done of importance legislatively, eh ?
BOBBY: Military supplies........ its from the NY Post
Donnie: one problem i've come to realize in Iraq war on ISIS&DAASH is how do you know who is ISIS or just Iraqi? Going through a city like Mosul and trying to find ISIS members vs Iraqi soldiers has to be a huge challenge. They speak the same language, appear to look the same, can easily switch sides when necessary...
BOBBY: sorry..... NY Times
Donnie: or just hide weapons and claim the be a citizen
chattels: ‹@Donnie› and for the Shia militias every Sunni with a gun is a DAESH operative or terrorist I expect
chattels: ‹@Donnie› it could be a nightmare
Donnie: how do they know what relion by looking at someone?
chattels: ‹@Donnie› I expect that community informs upon itself under those circumstances
chattels: ‹@Donnie› I am wondering how much the Shia militias will be used in the liberation of Ramadi, Fallujah or Mosul ?
Donnie: are those cities mostly Sunni?
chattels: Baiji may be the Shia militias last " campaign " except for maintaining liberated ground
Donnie: kinda throws a monkey wrench in the National Guard if certain religions can't go into certain cities
chattels: ‹@Donnie› Yes
Donnie: just because a law says everyone in the National Guard are equal doesn't mean the members all think that way.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› All of Anbar and Nineveh Governates are primarily non-Shia
chattels: ‹@Donnie› The model for the NGL legislation will have to be one of regional make-up and control for it to be passed, IMO
Donnie: looklex.com/e.o/iraq.reli... breakdown of religions and ethnic groups in Iraq
Donnie: While Islam strongly dominates the Iraqi society, there are several religions surviving in the mountains and in the capital. Baghdad has centuries long rtaditions as a cosmopolitan city, often offering refuge for groups fleeing from far away. Also, the geography of the mountains has allowed smaller groups to find shelter from zealous rulers.
chattels: Congress opposition in the House of Representatives hearing showed the President of the Council, Salim al visits. According to a parliamentary source told all of Iraq [where] that "deputies from different blocks objected to the al-Jubouri Visits recent visit to Qatar and Iran, and on to Britain, they did not recognize the results, in addition to commissioning the state financial expenditure."
Donnie: Islam23,000 92.0%.... Shi'i 14,000 56.0%.... Sunni 9,000 36.0%.... leaving 8% for all the other religions.
Donnie: basically - if you don't practice Islam don't bother to live in Iraq
Donnie: Iraq Live Update @IraqLiveUpdate 7h7 hours ago Operations in East Ramadi killed, Ala' Haloob, Daesh 'Surveillance Chief' in #Anbar #Iraq
chattels: ‹@Donnie› there is a Kurdish saying, we have " a friend in the mountains ", which, as I understand it, signifies a long history of sheltering themselves from the aggression of others by hiding in the mountains
Donnie: i read that other groups live in the mountains - 60 mins had a story about the Christians that lived fine in a village and Iraqis left them alone but ISIS/Daash drove them from their city.
] Donnie: the Christians have lived in that city for over 1000 years
Donnie: Iraq Live Update @IraqLiveUpdate 2m2 minutes ago #Iraq Parliament passed law to empower Communication Ministry to block pornographic websites
chattels: ‹@Donnie› there is along history of religious tolerance in Iraq, which may have changed, obviously
chattels: ‹@Donnie› Progress !
Donnie: ISIS has a hard line practice of Islam. No tolerance!
Donnie: if you don't practice Islam then you are converting to Islam or digging your grave. your choice.
chattels: the province of Muthanna Council on Monday elected a new governor, replacing outgoing Governor Ibrahim Mayali. According to a parliamentary source told all of Iraq [where] that "the Council elected [Faleh Abdul Hassan sugar] governor, a candidate from outside the provincial council, a coalition of law."
Donnie: what still surprises me is that we all have a very similar Old Testament bible.
chattels: Muthanna Governorate (Arabic: المثنى Al Muthannā) (or Al Muthanna Province) is a province in Iraq, named after the 7th-century Arab general al-Muthanna ibn Haritha. It is in the south of the country, bordering Saudi Arabia. Its capital is the city of Samawah. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mut...
chattels: Muthanna Council is the second in recent weeks to elect a State of Law Coalition governor
Donnie: what is different about a State of Law Coalition governor?
chattels: Query ? Is Mr. Maliki changing his political strategy to be more influential at the " local " level in anticipation of the transfer of powers under the " new " Provincial Law ?
Donnie: ‹@chattels› lol - sure seems that way. what a sneaky guy he is.
Doug_W: my observance from outside looking in...Yes he is
chattels: ‹@Donnie› As you know, the SLC is Mr. Maliki's political party
Donnie: ‹@chattels› no i forgot that tidbit. now it makes sense.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› But he is " GONE " - not to worry ! :)
Donnie: yea! right!
Doug_W: I just looked its 108F in Bagdad now
chattels: Muthanna Governate includes the ancient Sumerian-Babylonian city of Uruk (Aramaic: Erech), which is possibly the source of the name Iraq.
After the decline of Babylon following the Seleucid founding of Seleucia, Uruk became the largest city in southern Babylonia, and its name (Erech) came to replace Babili (Babylonia), as the city long outlived the former capital, surviving into the 7th century AD.
Donnie: while he is alive he will find ways to control - if they kill him he'll be a martyrs
chattels: re] the Iraqi Central Bank agreed to launch an amount trillion dinars [about one billion dollars for the domestic banks to finance small and medium enterprises for citizens loans.
According to a statement of the Central Bank today, that "the central bank's board of directors, based on the instructions No. 7 of 2015 decided to approve the launch amount trillion dinars to domestic banks for the purpose of financing small and medium-sized loans to citizens."
The central bank has launched on the eighth of August $ 5 trillion dinars to finance industrial and agricultural projects and the establishment of real estate. chattels: www.alliraqnews.com/modul...
Donnie: there was an article talking about helping the budget from interest collected from loans to citizens.
chattels: [ BAGHDAD] of the Committee for Security and Defense parliamentary member said there was a joint coordination between Kurdish Peshmerga forces and security forces to pursue a guerrilla leader named Daash terrorist [Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
And Abdel Aziz Hassan told all of Iraq [where] that "the follow-Baghdadi secrets intelligence establishment, noting that" there are joint coordination room between the Peshmerga forces and federal troops to watch and follow-up, "al-Baghdadi."
A security expert revealed to [where] that the leader of a guerrilla Daash terrorist named [Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi] is in the city of Mosul for more than a year and did not leave.
chattels: I am expecting news of offensive operations against DAESH in Anbar Province in the near term. It is purely conjecture on my part based upon the lack of activity there in the news until just recently and the possibility of greater presence and activity by American advisors recently reported. It is time I think.
chattels: Work calling - laterz all.
Doug_W: be well "C"
Donnie: "looking" for work calling. BBL
Oneness: Mark Twain: I once sent a dozen of my friends a telegram saying 'flee at once - all is discovered.' They all left town immediately.
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