Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 11-2-15
Wealthwatch Monday Chat 11-2-15 Part 1 of 2
BOBBY: Chattels. ........ would you consider this a desperate attempt by Maliki?
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Mr. Maliki has the support of the Iranians, so if by " desperate " you mean a " last gasp " then I doubt that this is the last we will hear from Mr. Maliki.
chattels: To a great extent we are witnessing the struggle for influence in Iraq between Iran and the USA being played out through Maliki vs. Abadi.
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... my opinion is we will be seeing him unfortunately
chattels: The recent appointment of Kersan ( sp ? ), as secretary of the COM, who has strong American ties, is an example of action and counteraction by the forces at work.
chattels: Badr refuses Khersan appointment as secretary of the Council of Ministers Thursday, 22 October 2015
chattels: The Iraqi Prime Minister ,Haider al-Abadi has recently appointed Imad Khersan as secretary general of the Council of Ministers, replacing Mahdi al-Alaaq, who served in proxy for about two months ago after the previous secretary Hamid Amin Khalaf was exempt. Khersan is an Iraqi engineer , ‘
holds an American citizenship and was part of the advisers crew who worked with the US civil administrator ,Paul Bremer during the US occupation of Iraq in the aftermath of the toppling Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003.
chattels: Ameri is pro - Iranian.
chattels: Badr bloc in the Iraqi parliament affiliated to Badr Organization led by Hadi al-Amiri has refused on Thursday the appointment of Imad Khersan as secretary general of the Council of Ministers.
chattels: Parliament to raise its next week :: 2015/11/2 15:25 • Parliament to raise its next week [Baghdad-where] lift to its House of Representatives on Tuesday www.alliraqnews.com/modul...
chattels: Again no word yet on the arrival of the budget or the Kurdish delegation.
chattels: Market rate at 1,215 again today. www.cbi.iq/documents/C.B....
chattels: Iraq parliament bars Abadi government from passing reforms unilaterally wealthwatch.world/showthr...
chattels: How many times since the announcement of the Abadi reforms has this site cautioned all regarding the limits of the Abadi reforms, i.e., unilateral and immediate and without constitutional compliance or enabling legislation or constitutional amendment ?
chattels: Najaf / NINA/ The Special Representative of the Secretary General of the United Nations in Iraq, Jan Kubiš said he had discussed with the religious authority, Ali al-Sistani reform files and the need to get real reform with the fight against corruption and the prosecution and accountability of stolen public funds in addition to discussing file of displaced people who their number have reached to more than 3 million displaced people.
BOBBY: Chattels. ....... since day one as I recall
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Good answer :)
[07:51:37 AM] chattels: XXX : I just read the agenda for Parliament tomorrow [Monday]: "Ninth: The second reading of a bill defining the mandates of the three presidencies. (Legal Committee). (Article 8)." which tells me - PLAINLY - they are moving ahead with reforms - at full speed.
BOBBY: Chattels. .... look on the bright side..... the National Geographic article is coming out lol lol
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› roflmao
*SCZIN11: Thread Modes ANOTHER 8 DAYS OFF...I WANT THEIR JOB...
*SCZIN11: Parliament to raise its tenth of November 02/11/2015 15:11
*SCZIN11: 02/11/2015 15:11 It raised the presidency of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, on Monday, the 34th of the legislative term of the first second legislative year the meeting to next Tuesday, (the tenth of November 2015), while the meeting witnessed postpone the re-vote to merge the ministries of health, environment and adjourn the debate on the second reading of two bills.
A parliamentary source said in an interview to the (long-Presse), "The House Speaker Salim al-lift, today, session 34 of the legislative term of the first second legislative year to next Tuesday, (the tenth of November 2015),"
noting that "the meeting saw vote on a resolution to support the reforms, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi accordance with the Constitution, and vote on a resolution prevents the executive and the judiciary to use their powers in the Council. "
The source, who asked not to be named, said: "The session saw discussion of the recommendations of the legal committees, tourism, archeology, culture and information concerning the integration of the Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities with the Ministry of Culture, and to discuss the recommendations of the legal committees and human rights concerning the abolition of the Ministry of human rights."
*SCZIN11: WHOLE STORY wealthwatch.world/showthr...
*SCZIN11: Thread Modes "NEW" HCA....WILL BE " BORN DEAD"
*SCZIN11: Alnibabah energy reveal a new oil agreement between the center and the region and stresses that he "will be born dead" Information / special / .. Detection of the parliamentary energy committee member Razak Mahabs, Monday, that the round of negotiations between the Governments of center and the region intending to create a new oil deal,
noting that this agreement will be born dead because of the depth of the dispute and the lack of guarantees and mutual trust.
Said Mahabs told / information /, "The visit of the delegation to the provincial center run of round of negotiations through which intends to create a new oil agreement with the central government after the former oil agreement between the two parties fail".
He added that "any new agreement will be held between the two parties will be born dead because of deep differences and mistrust and the lack of guarantees between the two sides, especially from the Kurdish side, who Disclaimer sending oil quotas to the center, which led to the collapse of the agreement," noting that "it is unlikely to return this scenario with any oil deal. "
And it announced the Federal Ministry of Oil, on Sunday, stopped all oil exports through the Turkish port of Ceyhan once and for all, by not citing the Kurdistan Regional Government's commitment to the oil agreement signed with Baghdad. *SCZIN11: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
Donnie: Iraq Live Update @IraqLiveUpdate 46s47 seconds ago Congratulations to Turkey and Daesh on @RT_Erdogan win in #turkeyelections #TurkeyVotesDaesh
Donnie: "Congratulations to Turkey and Daesh".... makes you wonder...
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 24h24 hours ago #Iraq oil ministry announcement of halt to Ceyhan exports because of conflict w/ KRG is dramatic since it will affect disputed Kirkuk oil.
chattels: " .......... announced the Federal Ministry of Oil, on Sunday, stopped all oil exports through the Turkish port of Ceyhan once and for all, by not citing the Kurdistan Regional Government's commitment to the oil agreement signed with Baghdad "
Doug_W: "C" can U "unjibberish" that please?
chattels: An agreement which is " still born " has no life and is no agreement at all it occurs to me. Which is what we posted in the past few days regarding any alleged agreement or HCL. See wealthwatch.world/showthr...
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› Can you be more specific with your question ?
Doug_W: does that say they are gonna abandon that pipeline to Turkey ?
chattels: ‹@Doug_W Not abandon the pipeline, but stop exports from the end of the pipeline.
Doug_W: hmm ok TY Doug_W: he fell off
*SCZIN11: VERY CURIOUS....FROM THE BUDGET BEING EARLY, TO BEING ON TIME, TO ABIDE BY CONSTITUTIONAL DEADLINES, TO EXTENDING PARLIAMENT A MONTH.....
AS OF TODAY, NOV 2, as FAR AS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD...NOT AT THE PARLIAMENT YET....NEXT SESSION NOT UNTIL NOVEMBER 10.... TWO READINGS AND A VOTE NEEDED....CONSTITUTION??? ...
DO THEY USE SELECTIVE CHOICE WHEN TO ABIDE BY ITS CONTENTS? BUDGET LAW REGARDING AUCTIONS, DISMISSED AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FROM 2015 APPROVAL....
ABADI REFORMS "MAY" BE DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF THE THREE VP's....AGAIN, WHO IS RUNNING THE SHOW? IF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS CORRUPT, AND THE LEADERS OF MINISTRIES ARE CORRUPT, AND THEY ARE FULL OF PROXIES WHO ARE CORRUPT,
HOW CAN THEY MOVE ON AND SURVIVE...NEVER MIND THRIVE?
YET THE COALITION CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS IN THE CRISIS OF ISIS...COMPANIES CONTINUE TO SIGN CONTRACTS TO BE IN ON GROUND FLOOR...
COUNTRIES CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCIAL CRISIS....INTERNATIONAL AGENCIES CONTINUE TO BACK THEM... WHAT PART OF THIS PICTURE ARE WE MISSING.?
Doug_W: the back room deals 11
Winter: UPDATE 3-Iraq parliament bars Abadi government from passing reforms unilaterally
Tootsie: GM all, just a fly by ~
Winter: Nov 2 (Reuters) - Iraq's parliament voted unanimously on Monday to bar the government from passing important reforms without its approval in an effort to curb Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi amid discontent over his leadership style, lawmakers said.
The chamber acted after Abadi unilaterally enacted reforms in August that it deemed a violation of the constitution including his dismissal of the vice presidents and deputy prime ministers and cuts to salaries of government employees.
"Under this resolution no more absolute authorities for the prime minister," one member of parliament, who asked to remain anonymous, told Reuters.
Any rise in political tensions could undermine Baghdad's efforts to tackle an economic crisis and form a united front against Islamic State militants posing the worst threat to Iraq since a U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003.
Last week over 60 members of Iraq's ruling State of Law coalition threatened to pull parliamentary support for Abadi's reforms - aimed at stamping out corruption and incompetence - if he did not heed their demands for wider consultation.
Many of the lawmakers who signed the letter are supporters of Abadi's predecessor, Nour al-Maliki, whom critics branded as a polarising and authoritarian figure, allegations he denies. Abadi announced his reform campaign in August after popular protests gathered steam over graft and poor water and electricity services in Iraq, a leading OPEC oil producer.
The reforms aimed to scrap senior political offices that have become a vehicle for patronage for some of the most powerful people in Iraq and root out incompetence which has undermined the battle against Islamist militancy.
But while parliament had now "put the brakes" on Abadi's authority, a showdown could loom, said Wathiq al-Hashimi, chairman of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies think-tank.
Winter: "The question will be, is he is going to survive? I think parliament's move today is a test. The next likely scenario could be withdrawing confidence from Abadi," he said. Hashimi added that growing parliamentary objections to Abadi's statecraft and a severe shortage of cash will eventually lead Abadi "to direct a confrontation with his own party".
Graft and poor morale in the armed forces were significant reasons why Islamic State insurgents swept through northern Iraq last year virtually unopposed, and then proceeded to seize about a third of the country.
The ultra-hardline Sunni Muslim group, which also controls large parts of neighbouring Syria, has been fuelling a sectarian civil war ravaging parts of Iraq. Some of Abadi's reforms have been implemented, while others appear to have stalled. Iraq's three vice presidents, whose positions were to be cut, remain in place.
When he took office in September 2014, Abadi was seen as a consensus builder who could heal divisions between Iraq's Shi'ite Muslims, Sunnis and non-Arab Kurds that sharpened during Maliki's tenure. But senior officials have said they are not consulted about Abadi's reforms and often learn about them through the media.
Winter: Parliament rejects any parties, including the government, overlooking its authorities," said another MP. "The resolution was passed unanimously and it dictates that any decision needs the approval of parliament."
Winter: UPDATE 3-Iraq parliament bars Abadi government from passing reforms unilaterally
Tootsie: Iraq suspended oil exports through Kurdistan "once and for all. | Monday 02-11-2015 | 5:49:22 5:49:22 Twilight News / announced that the Iraqi Oil Ministry, on Monday, about stopping oil exports through the Turkish port of Ceyhan once and for all,
the lack of the Kurdistan Regional Government's commitment to the oil agreement signed with Baghdad. He said ministry spokesman Assem Jihad, in a press statement responded to Twilight News, he said that Erbil evacuated oil agreement with Baghdad, which provides for the export of 550 thousand barrels per day.
Jihad confirmed that oil exports were limited to southern ports, pointing out that the total oil exports reached nearly 83.00093 million bpd and has achieved financial revenues exceed three billion and 320 million dinars. Jihad said that the ministry teams are currently assessing the situation in the Baiji refinery, which recently restored Iraqi forces control of the organization "Daash" terrorist.
The Baghdad and Erbil have signed last year stipulated that the second export an average of 550 000 barrels of crude oil through the Turkish pipeline Kurdish to the port of Ceyhan agreement 0.300 thousand barrels of them from the Kirkuk oilfields and the rest of the fields of the region compared to the first commitment to send Kurdistan's share of the Iraqi budget General, amounting to 17 percent of them, but the two sides often accused each other of acting Balaltvaq or not to abide by it. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
chattels: " ........ that growing parliamentary objections to Abadi's statecraft and a severe shortage of cash will eventually lead Abadi "to direct a confrontation with his own party"
chattels: Is Iraq’s Dawa Party on verge of division? Political rifts and partisan splits are nothing new to the Shiite Dawa Party, the dominant organization in Iraq's governing coalition since 2005.
The differences within the party since Haider al-Abadi took office as prime minister in September 2014 are unprecedented, reflecting a national and regional conflict among Shiites. Read more: www.al-monitor.com/pulse/...
Tootsie: Did Abadi ever drop his membership in the DAWA ??
Winter: Iraqi PM spox: AKP victory in Turkey brings positive influence to region By Rudaw 1 hour ago
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› TY, I did not think so, as would have been big news ~
Tootsie: House of Representatives will vote on a resolution confirming its support and full support for the beams parliamentary and governmental reforms in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution 02/11/2015
Based on the provisions of subsection (ii) of Article (59) of the Constitution, the decision was made following: ((The Iraqi Council of Representatives Reaffirming its support and full support for the beams parliamentary and government reforms and his eagerness to be completed in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution and laws in force within the time timings specified in line with the aspirations of the people who put their trust in this Council and hold him responsible for their representation,
it at the same time, he denies he commissioned any legislative powers assigned to it under the Constitution to any of the other authorities where he was committed to the principle of separation of powers, it should be on all State authority to do its job and to Athil this function to other authorities)). from Parliament press release ~ translate.googleuserconte...LINK
Tootsie: details of Parliament meeting 11/2 ~ House of Representatives vote on a resolution supporting the parliamentary and governmental reforms in accordance with the Constitution 02/11/2015 House of Representatives Minutes normal thirty-fourth voice, which was held under the chairmanship of Dr. Salim al-Jubouri, President of the Council and in the presence of 252 deputies on Monday 2/11/2015,
the decision confirms its full support for the beams parliamentary and government reforms and his commitment to their achievement in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution and laws as well as discuss the crisis of displaced persons and brine in Basra and accruals peasants. CONTINUED >> translate.googleuserconte... LINK
Winter: Related news Vice-President of the German Bundestag: Erdogan won a black day for Turkey Representative financial the loan details revealed for Japan Deputy National: Texas court ruling to scrap it and Iraq's oil belongs to all Parliament lifted its to Tuesday next week Alkodo denies pulling Parliament delegate from Abadi Information/Baghdad/...
Denied the State of law Coalition mp Ahmad Salal Al-Badri, Monday, rumors about the withdrawal of the authorisation of the Prime haidralabadi, indicating that Parliament stipulated that referenced in any new fixes.
Badri said the agency/information/, that "there is no truth to the rumors about the withdrawal of the mandate of Prime Minister Haidar Al-Abbadi. Badri added that "deputies demanded back Abadi mechanism in any new fixes. He was mp for the Tamil National Alliance, Hisham Al-Suhail revealed earlier in the day on the House vote to withdraw the authorization granted to the Prime Minister Haidar Al-Abbadi. End/25
Winter: Deputy: Parliament did not withdraw authorisation from Abadi required reference on reforms
Winter: UPDATE 3-Iraq parliament bars Abadi government from passing reforms unilaterally
Winter: www.microsofttranslator.c... LINK
Tootsie: conflicts with Parliament official statement, no?? oh well ~~
Winter: HERES PROOF why I dont belive articles from IRAQ anymore, ones says out, one says not out
Tootsie: I trust the Parliament statements, ~
Tootsie: time to boot scoot - have a good day ~~
Winter: oooh yeah right and how many times have they said one and didnt go thru
chattels: There is information to be gleaned from the news articles out of Iraq. One must be discerning about conclusions to be drawn from the articles. IMO
Winter: News articles from Iraq have said one thing one day and then the next the next day espically this year
chattels: I rely upon the news to separate " reality " from anecdotal intel and sensational punditry.
chattels: None of us know how, why or when our desired event will occur and none of us will be able to know such with any reliable certainty in advance.
Winter: well if the only reality there is, is to go by what they are told to write, then its nothing but a guess
chattels: Fact : there is no hydrocarbon agreement.
Winter: iraq news has YET to be dead on espically in the last 6 months
chattels: fact : the budget has not arrived in Parliament.
Winter: well unless you or I know someone who is actually there in thier parliment, again its just an assumption either way
chattels: My only point is that there is some news worthy of consideration.
chattels: And we should not be dismissive of all news.
Winter: the only REAL news the last 6 months would be actually being there and in the true mix, not on what they tell the writers to state
chattels: But, each to his own.
chattels: We post the news here with a link. If one is not interested in the news then that is ok.
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OOTW: HI THERE
OOTW: THERE'S SOME VERY INTERESTING ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE MINISTRY OF TRADE SITE
OOTW: THEY'RE ABOUT POTENTIAL TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY/ATTENDEES OF THE INTERNATIONAL FAIR
OOTW: HERE'S ONE PRESS RELEASE OF SEVERAL
OOTW: I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THIS WEEK'S GOVT THREAD
Minister of Labour and Minister of Trade and agency and discuss with Lebanese Minister of Industry obstacles to investment between the two countries[Image: 312.jpg]
Said Minister of Trade and agency Mr. Mohammed Xiaa Sudanese Baghdad International Fair, an opportunity for the development of investment and infrastructure development in the country and especially those countries that backed the democratic experiment in Iraq and stood with him in the war against terrorism ties.
The search Sudanese during a meeting with Lebanese Minister of Industry, Dr. Hussein Hajj Hassan and his accompanying delegation at the opening of the Baghdad International Fair margin Bdorth 42 on Sunday 01/11/2015 obstacles to investment and international trade between the two countries, monetary and fiscal policy in the banking sector, debt and standardization and quality control, and the tariff customs.
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