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chattels: Nathaniel Rabkin @NateRabkin 13h13 hours ago Nathaniel Rabkin Retweeted Mustafa Al-Khaqani MP Hanan al-Fatlawi, Maliki ally who tried and failed to remove Obaydi in Oct. 2015, smiling at his impeachment
chattels: Nathaniel Rabkin @NateRabkin 9h9 hours ago hearings are a tactic Maliki's allies are using to undermine Abadi, but it's also just good exposure for MPs grandstanding about corruption
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 14h14 hours ago Patrick Osgood Retweeted Sideline Observer Again re corruption. Zebari says Qs rely on " inaccurate & misleading reports that slander the ministry of finance"
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 14h14 hours ago Def Min Obeidi screwed himself by making a swath of severe corruption allegations vs top-tier Sunni politicians that he couldn't stand up.
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk 12h12 hours ago One legal point on the Obaydi vote: 142 would not have been enough w/o the Supreme Ct's quirky interpretation of "absolute majority."
chattels: Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk 12h12 hours ago Iraqi const says "absolute majority" needed. But SpCt decided it must say "absolute majority of the number of its members" to mean that.
chattels: Loveday Morris @LovedayM 14h14 hours ago Maliki was criticised for holding posts of commander-in-chief, interior & defense ministries. Now Abadi is in the same position
chattels: " Etihad ( Obedi's Sunni political faction *) will likely insist that the Defense Ministry remain a Sunni position. However, the intra-Sunni fighting will inhibit any consensus on a replacement candidate. Therefore, should a Sunni candidate become Defense Minister, he will be weaker than his predecessor because he will lack full political backing from the Sunni parties."
chattels: Iraq's PM sees Kurdish referendum as "undisputed right" http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=109&pid=16483#pid16483
OOTW: Amnesty Law includes al-Hashemi and al-Alwani and al-Issawi Saturday , 27th August 2016 Number of Views: 9311 [Image: num.png] He said the legal expert Tareq Harb, said the amnesty law which legitimized parliament yesterday includes Tareq al - Hashemi, Rafie al - Issawi and Ahmed al - Alwani.
He explained in a statement , "The amnesty law covers all those who have committed terrorist crimes in accordance with a second paragraph of Article V of the Act, which decided toinclude terrorist amnesty if they did not arising from terrorist murder or permanent disability or subvert state institutions or the fight against the armed forces. "
he said the war was" when there are such cases in the terrorist crime, Article X of theamnesty law , decided to resume the trial of all crimes of felony type, terror and crime type afelony if the judgment was based on a secret informant or another defendant recognition or claim that the recognition obtained under duress. "
he pointed out that" any judgment issued by the two must be , and are available with one of these cases , a confidential informant, coercion or another defendant recognition , it means passport re - trial and the possibility of large innocence and it was not possible to reach theoutskirts of the case after the expiry of that period and after turning the suit of shape former during the previous trial and the new shape after the issuance of the amnesty law. " the House of Representatives voted yesterday on the general amnesty law.
chattels: the law pointed to the formation of a judicial committee would be responsible for considering the extent of the possibility of re - trial of the accused to Article 4 / terrorism or not, not at the request of the accused himself. http://wealthwatch.world/newreply.php?tid=5149&processed=1
chattels: president of a coalition of state law , Nuri al - Maliki expressed, his objection to the passage of the amnesty law.
chattels: Nathaniel Rabkin @NateRabkin Aug 25 Next Iraq parliament drama is Saturday Aug. 27: a vote on whether to accept Finance Minister Zebari's answers to questions at todays hearing
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago Anyway, the Obeidi sacking and prior Supreme/supine court decision means a virulent parliamentary minority can overturn Iraq's government.
] chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago And given chronic absenteeism, profound lack of enlightened self-interest etc, that's a v bad thing. Will this continue? Let's watch on Sat.
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago (And for those unfamiliar with the Iraqi Political Lexicon™, "constitutional" = I like it, "unconstitutional" =I don't like it)
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago It is in itself an indictment of Iraq's legal system and politics that whenever a dispute arises, it's right to the constitution.
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago And a swath of assumed laws intended to put flesh on the bones of the (badly drafted) constitution, on myriad issues, haven't been passed.
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago But Iraq has a salad of pliant stooges - themselves unlawfully appointed - packing it's Supreme Court. Proven to bow to the executive.
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago An honest reading of Iraq's constitution is clear - a majority off all MPs need to vote to sack a minister.
chattels: Patrick Osgood @PatrickOsgood 4h4 hours ago Iraq def min Obeidi's dismissal: no way framers of Iraq's constitution (i.e. a gaggle of 24yo American consultants) meant this to happen.
chattels: In the new law, the political blocs agreed on forming a judiciary panel to decide whether the convicts deserve a retrial for those prisoners who think they were jailed due to torture or false information.
Doug_W: wow a LOT of good things happening all at once over there!!
chattels: Parliament voted by an absolute majority on dissatisfaction with answers Zebari http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=4540&pid=16497#pid16497
chattels: Erbil and Baghdad ready to talk about independence and Mosul http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=109&page=6
chattels: likely a revolution against Daesh inside Mosul ................... guessed ground forces commander Lt. Gen. Riad Toufic do residents in the city of Mosul , a large revolt against al Daesh stressing that the liberation of Mosul is near.
chattels: Likely wishful thinking by the ISF, but Fallujah was a surprise and maybe Mosul will develop differently from all previous liberation efforts.
chattels: These no confidence proceedings are not good news for the stability of government in Iraq. Most commentators view the proceedings as attacks upon Abadi by the Maliki led shadow government / reform front.
chattels: THE STOLEN WAR How corruption and fraud created a failed state in Iraq—and led directly to the rise of ISIS. https://newrepublic.com/article/135682/stolen-war
chattels: " Iraq remains in disarray, hampered by inept and criminal leaders."
chattels: The causes of America’s devastating misadventure in Iraq remain an enduring source of debate. How could the United States, after spending an estimated $1.7 trillion in tax dollars and deploying more than 115,000 soldiers to topple Saddam Hussein and rebuild the country, wind up with a failed state that has given rise to a brutal new brand of terrorism?
Was it a failure of military strategy, or of political will? Did we end the war too soon, or wait too long to get out? Did we spend too little on rebuilding the country’s infrastructure, or target our aid in the wrong places? The answer may be far simpler, and ultimately more humiliating: The men we placed in charge of Iraq robbed us blind.
chattels: “Maliki and his guys had it down to a science,” says the businessman who bid on the energy deal. “You didn’t always know who was getting greased, but it was always government officials, and Maliki got a cut on every deal. They set up an elaborate system that made it look like development was taking place with legitimate contracting and bids, but it was all graft. That’s where a lot of American money disappeared.”
chattels: Internal emails reveal that Unaoil paid its largest bribes to two Iraqi officials code-named M and Teacher. The latter was Hussain Al Shahristani, who served as Maliki’s deputy prime minister and oil minister. (He’s currently Iraq’s minister of education.) M was Kareem Luaibi, who succeeded Shahristani as oil minister.
chattels: Luaibi is now the Oil Minister again.
chattels: Such corruption isn’t just illegal—it’s a massive impediment to creating a stable Iraq. For all practical purposes, Iraq is no longer a single, unified country. Many analysts predict that it will soon break apart entirely, or devolve into three loosely federated states: a Shia regime controlling everything from Baghdad to Basra; a Kurdish government in the north; and a Sunni rump state, centered in Anbar Province, that will rival Palestine in its misery.
chattels: Prime Minister Haider Al Abadi, has recently made a few stabs at reform, though he has been unable to sweep aside the thousands of corrupt appointees to government ministries. The reality is that corruption is now so thoroughly entrenched in Iraq that it will be almost impossible to excise.
Wheresmyrv?: We should have just taken over that country and turned it into a US territory. What a mess that place is now.
Doug_W: ‹@Wheresmyrv?› nop[e they are slowly methodicaly changing it to a real democracy
OOTW: BAGHDAD, Aug 27 (KUNA) -- Hall of the Iraqi parliament witnessed on Saturday heated debates that developed into fistfights among the lawmakers including at least two female members of the assembly.
A source at the assembly's information office told KUNA that deputies, namely Awatef Naamah from the National Alliance and Ashwaq Al-Jaf from the Kurdistan Coalition, engaged in abusive rhetorical exchanges that quickly developed into fighting. The session was held to grill Finance Minister Hushyar Zebari over alleged administrative and financial corruption.
The MPs voted on a motion stipulating that the arguments presented by Zebari were non-convincing. MP Haitham Al-Jabbouri, who questioned Zebari, also traded indecent remarks with MPs from the Kurdistan Coalition, of which Zebari is a member. The violent quarrel broke out when Al-Jabbouri presented the motion, signed by 50 members, to state whether the grilled official's answers were convincing.
The source said the chairman, Salim Al-Jabbouri, addressed the parliamentary conduct committee to bring into account any member who attacks or threatens a colleague. The vote is prelude to a no-confidence voting against Zebari, due in a week, according to the Iraqi law. (end) ahm.rk
Ononotagain: Urgent Ki-Moon arrives at Iraqi Parliament Published: 2016/3/26 15:01 • 1044 Reads Ki-Moon arrives at Iraqi Parliament Baghdad (AIN) -The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon arrived at the Iraqi Parliament on Saturday. Ki-Moon was received by the Iraqi Speaker Salim al-Jubouri. Earlier on Saturday morning, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Chairman of the International Fund as well as the chairman of the Islamic Bank have arrived at the Iraqi Capital Baghdad. / End /
Ononotagain: Im a few months behind on that last post 2016/3/26
chattels: Legal Committee of Parliament, is expected to earn Defense Minister Khaled al - Obeidi article, the issue of the appeal - if Qdamha- to the Supreme Federal Court, in a parliamentary vote in favor of the withdrawal of confidence with him last week.
Committee Chairman Muhsin al - Sadoun in a televised statement, that "According to the rules of procedure of Parliament, the withdrawal of confidence from the minister mean that depended on the work and the exercise of his powers and becomes a constitutional article."
He added , "But it remains to the minister the right to challenge his dismissal, especially since the secret ballot of the parliament to withdraw confidence from the Minister what it is not provided for in the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives as well as the Constitution. "
chattels: " ................ the secret ballot of the parliament to withdraw confidence from the Minister what it is not provided for in the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives as well as the Constitution. "
chattels: S&P affirms Iraq’s ‘B-’ rating with stable outlook The stable outlook reflects the agency’s view that deficits are financeable Published: 16:47 August 27, 2016