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*SCZIN11: Tamimi (and added a deputy from the bloc of the Sadrist movement Liberal) that "the financial budget for next year will come to the House of Representatives on the fifteenth of this month, found and discussed and then be voted upon for the purpose."
The parliamentary finance committee confirmed earlier that the general federal budget deficit for 2016 has reached 29 trillion Iraqi dinars what caused the budget to reduce the amount of the budget of 113 trillion to 100 trillion dinars.
The country has the financial and economic crisis because of a sharp drop in oil prices and rising costs of the war on terror Daash gangs, prompting the government to follow the austerity system and reduce government spending and taxing Kartat shipping to operators of mobile .
*SCZIN11: OKAY SO WE HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE... IF WE ASSUME THIS RELEASE IS A "VALID" ONE...
*SCZIN11: 1) WE ARE NOW SEEING EXACTLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL DAYS AGO, WHEN THE RELEASES CAME OUT THAT THE WORLD BANK INITIAL DOLLARS FOR THE LOAN THEY APPROVED OVER THE SUMMER, WOULD BE FUNDED HOPEFULLY THIS MONTH...
MY COMMENT THEN WAS, WHY THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, UNTIL THE "REFORMS" WERE IMPLEMENTED, SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE JUDICIARY REFORM, SO THE CORRUPT COULD BE PROSECUTED, AND ELIMINATED...
*SCZIN11: 2) NOW THE BUDGET WILL BE IN PARLIAMENT BY OCTOBER 15... ON TIME THEY STATE, WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY...
FOR THE LAST MONTH THEY HAVE BEEN STATING BY OCTOBER 10TH, TOMORROW...ONTIME WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY...
*SCZIN11: SO WHICH IS IT..WELL HOR OFF TILL THE 13TH SUPPOSEDLY, SO I GUESS THE 15TH MAY BE MORE REALISTIC.
*SCZIN11: WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? WELL, I AM SURE THERE WILL BE SOME STATING..." OH, THE CHANGE IN VALUE MUST BE HAPPENONG, BECAUSE NOW THEY DONT EVEN HAVE THE BAND AID MONEY TO BUY THEM TIME...
*SCZIN11: MY CONCERNS/COMMENTS ARE THAT UNTIL THEY CAN SAFELY PROSECUTE THE CORRUPT, IT WOULD SEEM SENSELESS TO OPEN THE DOORS TO MORE FINANCIAL CORRUPTION...
WAY TOO TEMPTING FOR A CRIMINAL TO STOP THEIR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES WHEN CANDY IS SITTING IN FRONT OF THEIR FACES....
*SCZIN11: AND AS A SECONDARY THOUGHT, RE: COMMENTS I MADE THE OTHER DAY...THE EVENT/TRIGGER...HOW OR WHY WOULD ANY TRANSPARENT/UP FRONT AND HONEST/ NON CORRUPT GOVERNEMENT WANT FOREIGN INVESTOR DOLLARS COMING IN,
WHICH ARE TO HELP BUILD/SUPPORT THE ECONOMY, WHEN THE EXISITNG CORRUPT ARE STILL RUNING RAMPANT?
AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL ABADI AND HIS REFORMS ARE SUPPOSEDLY GEARED TO DO, FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, IF THE "NEW" MONEY COMING IN ENDS UP IN THE "OLD" HANDS, HOW WILL THE CITIZEN BENEFIT? *SCZIN11:
*SCZIN11: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE HERE, I AM TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED, YET, THAT SEEMINGLY FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN/READ SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED....
REMEMBER MY COMMENTS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO....
IF ALL THAT WAS NEEDED WAS A SIMPLE LAW, OR A NOT SO SIMPLE LAW, BUT A VOTE...THEN WHY HAVE THEY NOT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA?
IF THE AMMENDMENT TO THE INVESTMENT LAW WAS THE KEY, AND IT WAS COMPLETED 25 TIMES ALREADY, AS MULTIPLE MPS AND ECONOMISTS KEEP STATING, THEN WHY IS IT NOT BACK IN PARLIAMENT FOR THE VOTE?
*SCZIN11: IF NATIONAL RECONCILIATION, AS ANNOUNCED WAS TO BEGIN AFTER THE LAST EID HLIDAY BY MASSUM,
THEN WHY HAVE WE NOT HEARD ABOUT THE DRUNKEN CELEBRATIONS ONE WOULD EXPECT FROM THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, THAT SOME OUT THERE CLAIM HAVE TAKEN PLACE OR ARE TAKING PLACE,
RATHER THAN US SEEING ALL THE DEMONSTRATIONS , AND VIOLENCE THAT WAS INEVITABLE...AS WE SEE TODAY IN THE NEWS...
*SCZIN11: WE DONT KNOW THE TIMELINE FOR ABADI REFORMS..
WE DONT KNOW THE STEPS IN IMPLEMENTING THE REFORMS...
WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE REFORMS..JUST MINIMAL DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO THE MEDIA...
IF YOU WERE PLAYING TEXAS HOLD EM, WOULD YOU REVEAL YOUR ROYAL FLUSH BEFORE THE RIVER CARD WAS EXPOSED? ENOUGH SAID..
Doug_W: sooo..... we don't know what we don't know
Doug_W: wish I knew what a river card or texas holdem was
*SCZIN11: ‹@Doug_W› en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex...
*SCZIN11: Texas hold 'em (also known as Texas holdem, hold 'em, or holdem) is a variation of the standard card game of poker.
Two cards (hole cards) are dealt face down to each player and then five community cards are placed face-up by the dealer—a series of three ("the flop")
then an additional single card ("the turn" or "fourth street") and another additional card ("the river" or "fifth street").
The best five card poker hand is obtained by taking cards from either the community or their hole cards.
Players have the option to check, bet, raise or fold after each deal; i.e., betting may occur prior to the flop, "on the flop", "on the turn", and "on the river".
Tootsie: With respect to WB article, spreading around like fire on sites - from faceIraq, sometimes they pull up stuff from ? sources. ~ anyway, my 2 cents ~ went to WB site, saw nada, not that that means a darned thing ~~~ shoot ~ Goodness –
WB loaned them total of 1.7 Billion - recently 350 million IMF put in 833 million WB loans, I do believe, must be attached to a particular item, not just "loaned" . Guess we will find out 'soon' eek used that ugly word
Tootsie: ‹@*SCZIN11› thanks sooo much for your insight, thoughts, and such. Very important. I, and I am sure others, really appreciate your view!!!! :cheerful:
*SCZIN11: ‹@Tootsie› YVW
Doug_W: now I wish I understood that explanation lol
Doug_W: but I get it its a very important card NOT to be played foolishly
Tootsie: Rather wondering what will be on the Parliament agenda of 13th, ~~ phew, not going to hold my breath!
Tootsie: toodleeoo for now. have a nice evening, !
*SCZIN11: MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHATS ON THE AGENDA, IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO
Doug_W: well said 11
Donnie: it's all a BS guessing game until the US banks start exchanging Dinar at a higher rate then .000086
Doug_W: or even .00086
Donnie: yea - i wasn't sure how many zeroes to add lol
Doug_W: at that rate does it matter?
Donnie: need to drop 2 zeros just to get peoples attention
Donnie: and i bet there will be some old timers exchanging then... .09 per Dinar just to get over it
TxBrand: ‹@Donnie› I might ...then buy more
*SCZIN11: OH BOY, SAY IT ISNT SO..Reform plan parliamentary cancel read the laws and committees
*SCZIN11: Reform plan parliamentary cancel read the laws and committees by providing required within 6 months 10/10/2015 19:48
*SCZIN11: Union forces made efforts to amend the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives, to permit the restructuring presidency of the parliament and converted from the Presidency of the head with two deputies.
But this collides reject the National Alliance, which insists on retaining the presidency crew equal powers.
This comes under the "reform package" seeks parliamentary Presidency of the Council of Representatives to put forward soon, including the repeal of laws readings, and the granting of the relevant committees a time limit not exceeding 6 months to make modifications and then display the law on voting. In order to accelerate the legislation of laws,
the reform plan that includes the appointment of a link with each ministry to discuss their own laws cured before being sent to members of the legislature.
The paper included the political agreement, which emerged from the government-Abadi, text to amend the rules of procedure of the Council of Ministers, which was approved by the government, and rules of procedure of Parliament, which hampered the political intersections.
*SCZIN11: Obliges (Article 55) of the Constitution, the House of Representatives election of the President, and then first deputy and a second deputy in his first session.
He says Karbouli morning, the Legal Counsel of the House of Representatives, said that "there are several proposals submitted to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives by international organizations and civil society are talking about the need to develop a plan for the reform of the rules of procedure of the legislative authority."
He Karbouli, told the (range), "These proposals aim to activate the performance of the work of the House of Representatives to establish a mechanism to speed up the legislation of laws through the inventory provision of bills to a vote in a period ranging from three months to six months."
*SCZIN11: Parliamentary adviser He continued by saying "from within the reform plan, which the House of Representatives plans to be implemented, after agreed with the political blocs, is the placement of members of the association of Parliament with the state ministries to communicate with them on amendments to laws pertaining to each ministry."
Karbouli and draws out that "among the reforms under discussion, in the form of adviser to the House of Representatives, search for a mechanism to prepare summaries of each first and second reading of the bills without literal reading texts for each material."
Legal Counsel shows that "in the event of amendments to a particular substance will be read in the House of Representatives and the so-sufficiency," asserting that "these proposals require modifying the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives, which in turn needs to be a political consensus."
*SCZIN11: Karbouli and draws out that "the reform plan is still just ideas are traded in the presidential offices and with international organizations," pointing out that "work is under way on the inclusion in the reform paper, which the House of Representatives plans to be submitted in the next legislative term."
Parliament Speaker adviser He continues that "from the reforms that the House of Representatives plans to submit address inter (point of order) and be subject to the standards and limitations focused on the law or issue that is raised at the meeting, be included on the constitutional and legal violations of any subject not," noting that "this amendment aims to not allow any vice that poses political ideas are far from session topics being discussed. "
And reveals Karbouli for "a parliamentary committee, formed at the beginning of the current session, to amend the rules of procedure but that the parliamentary committee has not succeeded so far in creating an environment for an agreement on the introduction of a new internal system."
He points out that "the most important points of contention that have held an internal adjustment system revolves around the change of the Presidency to the President," revealing that "the National Alliance insists on retaining the powers of the Presidency while the union wants to be President and Vice-president."
*SCZIN11: In the meantime, MP Imad affirms John, House of Representatives decision, that "one of the deputies put forward a proposal to transfer laws to one discussions halls of the House of Representatives, and then be voted on in the meetings."
Added John (range), that "the discussion of the laws and read them once a first and second place in all democracies and can not be abandoned systems," pointing out that "the intention behind this idea is to enable the House of Representatives of the legislation of laws as soon as possible."
And confirms the decision of the House of Representatives that "these proposals have been converted to legal advisers for the purpose of study before deciding it remains to be up to the House of Representatives."
And to amend the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives, Rep. John asserts that "the President of the House of Representatives passed a resolution to activate the parliamentary committee supervising the rules of procedure of the House of Representatives in order to modify it."
JonnyQuest: Do you honestly believe the dinar is a good investment?
JonnyQuest: I mean come on sczin??
JonnyQuest: No answer hmmmm imagine that!!
Tootsie: [10/10/2015 03:50:58 PM] Donnie: and i bet there will be some old timers exchanging then... .09 per Dinar just to get over it~~~~ Heck Yeh, I would cash in 1 mil to get 90K gross - and get a bit of a kicker in my sock ~~~
Tootsie: ‹@JonnyQuest› no one can answer that ~~~ goodness ~~ no prognosticators here JQ - the magic 8 ball sprung a leak, and the crystal ball cracked under pressure
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chattels: ‹@Donnie› It is a strange and curious world of opinion out there.
BOBBY: Chattels...... evening...... you are polite in your assessment lol
chattels: My wife follows such things so it makes for an interesting household as well :)
Donnie: ‹@chattels› It's crazy. Up DOWN - LEFT RIGHT - I don't know which way it's going
BOBBY: Chattels..... lol
Donnie: ‹@chattels› That little Thrive update is interesting though.
Donnie: must be sczin didn't like what I said cause he cleared the room lol LOL
chattels: ‹@Donnie› I thought that you may appreciate it.
MagiK: There was a Thrive update?
Donnie: ‹@MagiK› yes
MagiK: Where can I find it?
MagiK: Folks, I am on an iPad and can not scroll. Just FYI.
MagiK: Ok TY.
MagiK: Anybody hear of Keshe?
MagiK: Apparently he has a device that uses plasma as an energy source which he is giving to the world governments this month.
MagiK: No clue as to its viability. So this is not an endorsement just an FYI as to its existence.
MagiK: If true, big IF, it would eliminate or severely reduce the worlds demand for oil.
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