Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 9-7-15
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Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› and the sooner Maliki has been dealt with the better because as long as he is there he is a roadblock
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› i disagree he is just a thorn the news uses to side step the real progression that is going on behind public view until ready
Abraham: If I am an investor and you say to be Maliki has stolen billions and he is still within the government how can I feel comfortable to invest in the Country!
Fit2beFit: he is not in the govt day to day growth, imo anymore
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› the point is Maliki needs to be I behind bars period!
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› Is there some reason that you need to be so dismissive of and antagonistic toward the opinions of others ?
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› i will and was on nobody, is the a problem with that
Fit2beFit: Fit2beFit: ‹@nobody› if you believe all you state and their will never be an RV then this isn't the room for you
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› If you have some wisdom to impart then please do so in an educative manner
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› There might be a problem, but I will wait to see how this plays out
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› i have many times, and dont float on what the "news" states, i prefer to from actual family members and friends going abck in fourth to iraq
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› why do you seem to have a problem with us speaking our mind in here?
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› Please connect the dots in a persuasive manner for the uninformed and refrain from anonymous " intel "
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› I don't follow a lot of news or sites. I am just using simple common sense that has made me successful humbly stated
newbieDA: there are no winners in this conversation ya know, each his own k
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› :smile:
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› I have no problem with the considerate exchange of real information
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› i will just stick to dots from friends and family members in the oil industry working there and talking back and forth from there, thanks
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› That is fine, but no not denominate people as " clueless " please
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› yes i will when they are cluesless about the currency world when i personally retired from it and can point out all the ways to state otherwise, thanls
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› then you will be " spreading " your wisdom in another venue in all likelihood
Fit2beFit: ‹@chattels› when i can back it, prove it and point them to facts on it, i state it
Abraham: Apologies if I shared something I should not have. Was just sharing from my heart how I see it. Rather than some looking at this as a quick fix.
Fit2beFit: Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› and they can be wiped out in a month or less with because of instability Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› WRONG WRONG, only the instability the news states, sorry buy have family with may connections going back and forth to iraq in the oil business who say otherwise
chattels: waiting for your " documented " facts as opposed to anonymous contacts
Fit2beFit: DONT HAVE TOO...iraq is going no where in a MONTH
BOBBY: what is supposed to happen in a months time?
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› Like i agreed with you, Iraq is not a quick fix, but they are also not going anywhere
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› chattels has always recognized the deep deep issues when many could not see the forest from the trees
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› True, but the deep issues has also been a huge disgration as all news lives to do when so many on the grounds have stated and proved otherwise
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› thanks for acknowledging that Iraq is not going anywhere! That's my point
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› there is no quick fix!
Fit2beFit: If you EVER come into contact with anyone who in the last 2 to 3 years been to or worked in iraq and ask them about the news from there, EVERYONE OF THEM with laugh
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› well if Iraq does go away, we are all blaming you now :smile:
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› the fact that they are having to sell gold says to be they have a cash flow problem, and they are having problems borrowing and selling Bonds!
BOBBY: Fit2beFit. .... i have did my share of time in Iraq...... i am all ears...
Fit2beFit: Bad news draws readers, and always will
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› please don't get me wrong! All I am saying there is no quick fix.
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› how longago and in what type of business
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› I have not lost confidence at all. Hear what I am saying! The issues are real deep and it will take time!
BOBBY: 04 to 06 ..... pipeline and oil sector....... still have plenty of contacts...... brother is presently over there
Fit2beFit: ICATU blogs and union meeting are overflowing in hiring and buisness work
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› what base union group?
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› that was 10 years ago
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› who is your brother with
BOBBY: point is.... your not the only one with contacts
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› ok what union group, cause my brother is the exec of them
BOBBY: are you in here just to cause trouble
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› no no no, you stated to prove my ground and family and sources over there and i can, can you
Fit2beFit: ‹@BOBBY› what base union group and where?
BOBBY: oh i can, why would i post my family info on here, i am not desperate
Fit2beFit: i didnt ask names, i asked group name, number base and location
Fit2beFit: theres only 2 in the whole country
BOBBY: Its funny....... you seem to *** about the people and posts in here, why are you still here then?
Fit2beFit: yeah ok, i love ootw and love what she puts together, so when you go get the info, i can back what i state about friends and family really over there
Abraham: What I am trying to come to grips with is how one man can do so much damage and no opposition, no World Leader or no financial organization tried to stop it sooner!
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› you mean Maliki i guess, yes heis a pice of work
Abraham: Something does not make sense to me!
MichelleL: Abraham, just something? you are most lucky ;)
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› so we have a hughe embassy there and an Ambassador. So we closed our eyes to all that was going on? really :laughing:
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› what?
MichelleL: don't anyone ask me, I'm still positive there were weapons of mass destruction when we went there in the first place...
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› just used as a question
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› meaning towards what?
Abraham: ‹@MichelleL› I agree they went to Syria I believe
MichelleL: ‹@Abraham› syria, iran - they were spread around I'm sure
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› just read what I said
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› so that has to do with the future of Iraq and the RV?
Abraham: ‹@Abraham› well Dinar or no Dinar once I have the Lord holding on too, I have everything
Fit2beFit: What you belive to be going on is what the news plays to belive to be going on
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› so why are the citizens demonstration? Is it Cropover?
Fit2beFit: Executives and Powers tell and relases what they state for you to write, and yet, never ever release all till good and ready for true reality until after the fact
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› :laughing:
Fit2beFit: Iraq war went on for many years and was tragic, but ONE thing never imploded in Iraq, what was it Abraham?
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› So, oil companies have and will make money in Iraq. What does that mean to you and for the event that most people in this room are interested in learning about ?
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› well just so you know I am led by my Spirit, not the news
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› thumbs up
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› the doom and gloom people love to post that news, and seem to forget thats the news that makes mony
Abraham: ‹@chattels› Great Question
Fit2beFit: If you wanna belive the doom and gloom of news that is happening in Iraq and about iraq powers, from Iraq publishers, thats your right
Fit2beFit: bad sells advertising and drags in readers
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› can I ask you a question?
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› why is Iraq selling Gold Reserve?
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› The same reason oil price is dropped, its all a big game in the power world
Abraham: Is that the real reason? What did the do with the funds in the good times when oil prices were higher?
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› something they will never ever let the world know and only the hands in the cookie jar will
Fit2beFit: Powers of this world, banking and oil dont like to share or have other make profits UNLESS there a part of it
Fit2beFit: Iraq will stay a mess in the view of the world news until there good and ready to turn about face once all the powers get what they want, and they will
Fit2beFit: and thats why they are building and pounding behind the scences
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› really? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Fit2beFit: 2 massive, massive drillings underground started a month ago and it still hasnt made the news just like the mini city that is almost finished and it was broadcasted a year after
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› can I ask you another question? Why build when you can't maintain and secure what you have? Does that make sense to you?
Fit2beFit: Hyundai Engineering & Construction Co started 4 plants for eletronics also started last month and it has been broadcated either
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› if you have 3 kids and you can't feed them, will you have 3 more?
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› and you are told they havent mainted or secured, YET they are building like crazy, is that a clue
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› the poor will remain the poor and they will leave, that wont change
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› you are amazing :laughing:
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› heres another for you a few months back, read it www.businessinsider.com/r...
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› Ahhhhhhhhhh, so some news matters and has credibility according to you.
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› my concern is without a stable political environment or climate they can be destroyed or taken in a day
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› some people just live to find and look for doom and gloom, we know who they are
Fit2beFit: ‹@Abraham› whats funny is the news is after the fact for me once i have heard from people who have been there or are there and they say yes i saw it
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› I am happy to debate my view of any and all issues related to Iraq, but you appear to want to avoid my questions and wrongly characterize me indirectly. You appear to want to pontificate without being accountable. So be it.
Fit2beFit: ok chattles
Abraham: ‹@Fit2beFit› I don't think anyone is looking to fight with you, I think we are trying to show you the forest :laughing:
Fit2beFit: I prefer to talk about and from people who have been on the ground in the forest, not the forest of the internet and the news of the internet
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› You have no idea with whom I communicate or rely upon in my approach to this venture.
chattels: What I post is documented from a number of perspectives.
chattels: It may be wrong, but it is honest and transparent.
chattels: I have never claimed to KNOW anything.
Fit2beFit: well mine are from the IWW 230 in iraq, IN IRAQ...district 37 of IFOU IN IRAQ and others
Abraham: ‹@chattels› thank you for your diligence and service. I am one who appreciates you and what you bring.
chattels: So what ? I asked you a direct question. Answer it if you can ?
chattels: I am vested in this venture, but not blind or stupid.
Fit2beFit: according to you chattles anything i state from friends or family from there are never right, accurate, or match "the news"
chattels: BIg Oil has and will make money in Iraq, but what does that mean for us ?
chattels: I post news good, bad and indifferent
Fit2beFit: ok its all about oil not what they see there and hear from there or are involved in there BESIDES OIL
chattels: every one may draw their own conclusions
chattels: ‹@Fit2beFit› i long ago abandoned anecdotal information from whomever and wherever
chattels: tell us what they see and hear there that has some relevance for our venture
chattels: if it is that the countryside is peaceful and bucolic, then no, i do not accept that.
chattels: are they reporting that the politics and judiciary of Iraq is " functional ",, then , no, I do not accept that
Tootsie: There are (is) some here that insist that it is not bad yonder. State that it is not as we are seeing. I just do not buy that ~ calm, etc. nope. agree totally Chattels
chattels: if your point is that the news may not tell the whole story then I agree
Tootsie: nor is their political/judicial stable.
chattels: if your point is that monetary reform in Iraq depends upon big business, banking and outside influences, then yes, I agree
Tootsie: ‹@BOBBY› evening, certainly popped in to quite an interesting discourse
chattels: Nobody knows whether what and when in this venture - at least not in this chat room
chattels: But, I do try to honestly analyze and share in this place with encouragement, but not fantasy
Tootsie: oh heck, they are already pushing Christmas ~ c'mon, not even close ~~ geez
Tootsie: Knock, knock. Who’s there? Dozen.
Tootsie: Dozen who? Dozen anybody want to let me in?
BOBBY: dozen who?
Tootsie: ‹@BOBBY› hahaha
BOBBY: Tootsie........ any thoughts on Maliki and the National Guard Law?
Tootsie: ‹@BOBBY› did not see NGL on tomorrows agenda, There are some who are a bit frighten of it.
Tootsie: M ~ Holy cow ~ he is a wild card - all the talk about prosecuting and international court, sure - maybe so few years down the road. He still has support. GRRRR
BOBBY: did you see the article posted about Maliki blocking it
chattels: He said the president of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki in a televised interview broadcast Monday evening on 07/09/2015 number of Iraqi Satellite TV channels that "the law of the National Guard will not pass."
Tootsie: ‹@BOBBY› no, did not ~~ so M is up to his shitzel , as usual.
chattels: Maliki is rather " vocal " for someone who is " done, gone, toast ", eh ?
chattels: My sense is that the National Guard Law will not be passed in it's current form / state.
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› Thanks, no kidding ~~ still in 'power mode'
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... good point.......
Tootsie: Maliki said that "any official of the object was, sat down with the Baathists and terrorists in Doha will be held accountable, both within the House of Representatives or hold him accountable and prosecuted according to the Iraqi constitution and the law
chattels: ‹@Tootsie› Apparently, The rumors of his demise are much exaggerated to paraphrase Mark Twain.
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› I have always felt so - me, I ignore most of info from 8th day and a few others ~ with respect to him, M
Tootsie: He is like a tick - buried into flesh - hard to remove
chattels: ‹@Tootsie› The State of Law Coalition, unfortunately with some Sunni support, according to the news, is calling for Joubbori's " head " - much like Nujaify when he visited outside of Iraq.
BOBBY: does any get fired over there lol
Tootsie: Yes, I saw that! Was really taken back ~ shocked in a way
Tootsie: surprised , more I guess
chattels: ‹@Tootsie› Maliki and company prey upon divisions in the ranks of the Sunni and the Kurds
Tootsie: Years ago, I never dreamed, or imagined, what has transpired - Had I , who knows, may not have purchased. I held out for quite a few, kept stating , Crazy to purchase, (after war ended) but, succumbed --- hahaha. oh shooottt
chattels: I read it said long ago that the Shia cannot " rule " without either the support of either the Sunni or the Kurds or parts of each
BOBBY: Tootsie...... i think most thought it was a quick payout.......SURPRISE!!!!!
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 14h14 hours ago Seems #Iraq parliament is back to its old inefficient self: No vote on national guard bill in Tuesday's session parliament.iq/details.asp... …
chattels: A statement by his office received by all of Iraq [where] a copy of it, that al-Jubouri, "received in his private office, on Monday, the parliamentary bloc, the Kurdistan Alliance delegation and the presence of the leaders of the parliamentary bloc of the Alliance of Iraqi forces,
During the meeting, they reviewed the latest political process developments and the realities of the legislative process, and the need to proceed with the adoption of important laws that were agreed upon during the formation of the government.
"He stressed Jubouri, that" the House of Representatives of the friendly series of important laws that affect the interests of citizens and support the reform process and contribute to the advancement by the country, adding that the reforms the past and that the House of Representatives of all mass will be a sergeant by ".
as al-Jubouri and stressed" the need to proceed with the real national reconciliation, which should be comprehensive, and that planted the confidence to save the citizen security and stability and that everyone is treated in a fair and equitable ". chattels: www.alliraqnews.com/modul...
chattels: al-Jubouri, "received in his private office, on Monday, the parliamentary bloc, the Kurdistan Alliance delegation and the presence of the leaders of the parliamentary bloc of the Alliance of Iraqi forces,
chattels: [Baghdad-where] the Presidency of the Council of Representatives member Hamoudi order, withdrew the draft law of the National Guard of the work of the parliamentary session scheduled tomorrow and voting on it through.
According to a parliamentary source told all of Iraq [where] that, Hamoudi "ordered the lifting of a project of the National Guard Law of the agenda of the Council tomorrow until a necessary by amendments so as not to overdo security accomplishments of the crowd People and security forces and preserve their rights and be acceptable to all law."
chattels: " ......... until a necessary by amendments so as not to overdo security accomplishments of the crowd People and security forces and preserve their rights and be acceptable to all law."
Tootsie: was taunted into it. " well, you can get 100K for 75 - hahaha
chattels: " ...........the National Alliance wants to be linked to the General Commander of the Armed Forces and form of the people of all the provinces while the forces and Kurds Union wants to be related to local governments of the provinces, and that is composed of people of the province itself. "
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› yes, M is a master manipulator
chattels: Again, I say that the Kurds are not going to allow Abadi / Baghdad to control the Peshmarga.
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› oh no, I am 99.9% positive they will not ~ Lordy, I remember my father talking about them soooo long ago, 'the fighters that will swing a sabre etc" I was just a little kid, but stuck in my mind hahaha
Tootsie: I had visions of them riding on horseback, swinging their sabres, cloaks flying in the wind hahaha, good movie mind hahaha
BOBBY: the word mess does not even begin to describe this
chattels: Defense Minister survives assassination attempt by sniper in Baiji Baghdad (AIN) –Iraqi Defense Minister Khalid al-Obaidi has survived an assassination attempt by a sniper in Baiji district, north of Tikrit city, a security source said on Monday. “The attempt was in Tal Albu Jarad in Baiji district, wounding one of Obaidi’s accompany,” the source added. chattels: en.alliraqnews.com/module...
Tootsie: Blame it all on the division of the country after WW! - no respect for language, religions, etc. Just arbitrary division of the country.
chattels: ‹@Tootsie› Sykes - Picot and last vestiges of colonialism.
Tootsie: ‹@chattels› exactly
Tootsie: Take care all- G/N, - Hang in there, loose/tight whatever suits your fancy ~~ so nice to be factual rather than fairy tales ----
chattels: new nationalism and modern identity politics
chattels: BAGHDAD / NINA / MP, of the Iraqi Forces Coalition, Ahmed al-Jubouri warned that legislate the National Guard law does not serve the military and security establishment, saying that MPs of his coalition will not vote to pass the law in parliament. chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details...
chattels: BAGHDAD / NINA / The member of the Presidency of the Council of Representatives, Humam Hamoudi launched a group of urgent action to activate and monitor the implementation of the parliamentary reforms package.
A statement by Hamoudi's office cited that the measures were launched through official letters to the parliamentary committees, according to their competence, and relevant institutions like integrity and others to support the project of reform called for by the Supreme Religious Authority.
Hamoudi urged the relevant committees to commit in appropriate timings for the legislative procedures within the Council in order to accelerate implementation" chattels: ninanews.com/News_Details...
Abraham: ‹@chattels› do you believe we will be here in 5 years
chattels: ‹@Abraham› I doubt that I will be :)
Abraham: ‹@chattels› I understand my friend :laughing:
chattels: ‹@Abraham› My sense is that this will be over, one way or another by then.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› we now have a deeper understanding why God caused the flood and killed so many to make a fresh start :laughing:
chattels: ‹@Abraham› If monetary reform was originally a ten year plan then we are two years beyond that now.
chattels: Has corruption and DAESH and now oil prices skewed the completion by that or five years more ?
chattels: ‹@Abraham› Not by water again, but by fire, eh ?
Abraham: ‹@chattels› I suppose some will agree to such an excuse.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› so true Brother
chattels: Oil production is on the rise which may be a significant fact(or) ?
chattels: Despite DAESH, oil is being produced in ever larger amounts which is a good thing I think.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› I was here thinking the same thing. Nukes will probably resolve that part of the world if not it will come back to bite us
chattels: INcreasingly my sense is that the Kurds could manage to liberate Mosul without direct help from the ISF, but Anbar province must be won by someone and that will not be the Kurds.
chattels: But, I do not believe that either the Sunni nor the Shia want the Kurds to " control " any more territories.
chattels: The Kurds cannot take Mosul without progress in Anbar and significant help from the U.S.
Abraham: Seems like Biden's plan is the best
chattels: My sense is that there will be more regional governments like the KRG, but that cannot happen realistically until DAESH is dealt with. IMO
chattels: Basra and Anbar will be like more like the KRG under the provincial law when the time is right.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› it's costing the World too much while they play around. That needs to be addressed and come to a head!
chattels: ‹@Abraham› There is a terrible and arguably unsustainable cost both financially and human.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› no great men like Churchill around
chattels: The " crisis " has not reached " Churchillian " proportions just yet
Abraham: ‹@chattels› we are heading there
chattels: ‹@Abraham› Yes, and it may need to get worse before it can / will get better sadly
BB824: DAESH is nothing now then news amo
chattels: ‹@Abraham› I hope to have the opportunity to do some significant " good " by, in and through this event.
chattels: ‹@BB824› You and I will not be able to agree upon that premise my friend.
Abraham: ‹@chattels› so do I Sir, and that is the reason for the battle
Abraham: ‹@BB824› forget Daedh the hearts of
Abraham: ‹@BB824› of those in authority need to change. Daesh is there because of the lack of unity of Iraqu's leadership and its people
Abraham: ‹@chattels› yes
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... what do you think of this latest play by Maliki
TxBrand: ‹@BOBBY› what did he do this time ?
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› Typical Maliki politics - divide and conflict
BOBBY: TxBrand........ there are a couple of post on the home page...... more of his nonsense
BOBBY: Chattels... iyo.... weak attempt or something behind it
chattels: ‹@BOBBY› I expect that his goal is confound the Abadi government and present himself as the savior of Iraq
BOBBY: Chattels. ...... this guy does nothing without an agenda