Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 8-5-15
Wealthwatch Sczin Morning News & Chat 8-5-15 Part 2 of 2
FOX: ‹@chattels› can you answer the tariff question. I'm confused. :blink:
chattels: Security, finance and politics in Iraq are a quagmire of dysfunction.
chattels: ‹@FOX› i am just " up ", what has changed in the news, if anything ?
sczin11: ‹@FOX› THE TARIFFS ARE A WASTE OF TIME WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN PURCHASE POWER..THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE NEWS NOW...JMHO
FOX: I'm told it is not implemented........tariffs.
chattels: ‹@FOX› " told " ?, by whom ?
FOX: Fellow dinar holder.
sczin11: ‹@FOX› THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED...SO MUCH SO, ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TOO, AND 200% ON REFRIGERATION...ANA APPEARS PHONE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN THREATENED W FINES AND DISMISSAL IF NOT IMLEMENTED
sczin11: PHONE COS HAVE NOTIFIED ALL THEIR SUBSCRIBERS BY SMS MESSAGING
FOX: sczin......I agree w/ you but, the terminology is what I was looking for! Thanks
sczin11: BUT -- ALL THAT BEING SAID
sczin11: PROTESTS AT BORDERS
sczin11: CONSUMERS PROTESTING NON USE OF FONES
sczin11: DEMONSTRATIONS ALL OVER
sczin11: PHONE COS MEETING W GOVT OFFICIALS
sczin11: BASRA GOVT SEEMS TO BE FIGHTING
chattels: ‹@FOX› I try not to become too animated by questions or statements that someone cannot substantiate - even if they are my mother :)
[sczin11: THE PEOPLE CAN NOT PAY MORE THEN THEY ALREADY CAN NOT AFFORD AND PAY
FOX: That's what I thought. Thanks, guys. I could not speak w/ conviction re: implemented/ in effect.
FOX: Tariffs= BS
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› ‹@chattels› I think the fact that the tariffs are in place and the country is in an uprore about it will bring the change we need to bring up the value
chattels: ‹@whitelions› we shall see, eh ?
whitelions: now they will demand that the laws be put into place to move the country forward
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› INHO, THEY WONT MAKE IT LONG ENOUGH UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, TO PASS LAWS SOME CLAIM ARE NEEDED..JMHO
sczin11: THE AGENDA THRU AUG 15 ALREADY PUBLISHED..
sczin11: THE " IMPORTANT" LAWS ARE NOT INCLUDED..NONE OF THEM
chattels: ‹@FOX› the tariffs are not " BS " and the significance of the tariffs arguably has always been that they area a necessary evil or a precipative effect upon our event - give them time to effectuate and we shall see ?
sczin11: TODAY RELEASE, COMMITTEE FINALLY READY WITH INVESTMENT LAW AMMENDMENTS...READY TO BRING FOR A VOTE..BUT MUST GET ON AGENDA FIRST
chattels: the tariffs to inflationary require some time
FOX: We shall wait and see...........
chattels: it is not instant
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› they have made it longer on less for years the differences now is that they have people that are working for the country more so than against
chattels: that being said, THERE IS NO RECIPE OF CONDITIONS PRECEDENT OR ATTENDANT TO OUR EVENT, PERIOD.
sczin11: ANY OTHER LAW, NOT READ YET, AT A BARE MINIMUM, IF THEY STICK TO WAT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF CONSTITUTION IS, WILL TAKE A MIN OF ONE MONTH TO GET TO THE GAZETTE, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, I THINK ALMOST THREE MONTHS NOTHING GOT ENTERED..
FOX: ‹@chattels› Not In an instant? LOL Preaching to the choir!! LOL
chattels: ‹@sczin11› BBBB, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MAGIC BASKET OF LAWS ? :)
sczin11: THE AML LAW, COM PASSED, SENT TO HOR, WORLD BANK HAS ISSUED ULTIMATUM OF TWO MONTHS, OR ELSE....BLACKLIST... TWO WEEKS LEFT THE COM, STILL NOT ON AGENDA...GO FIGURE WHAT IS NEEDED IR NOT
whitelions: we have been wait 10 years now for them 35 I can wait I don't want to but I have no choise
sczin11: ‹@chattels› LOL
chattels: ‹@FOX› :)
FOX: ‹@chattels› :whistling: :smile:
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› you put a lot of stock in that black list they don't b/c they control the oil in there country and they know the world wants it
sczin11: IT IS ONE THING FOR A PROCESS AND PLAN, TO WORK...CRAWL BEFORE U RUN, SO TO SPEAK..BUT IT MUST BE IN ORDER..IT MYST BE PROGRESSIVE..ONE STEP MUST LEAD TO THE OTHER, OR THE DOMINOES COLLAPSE..YOUBCANT FINISH ACPUZZLE WITHOUT ALLLLLL THE PIECES...
sczin11: YOU CANT HAVE RARIFFS , SAY THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS THE KEY TO OPEN MARKET WORLD ECONOMY, WTO, ETC..
sczin11: WITHOUT PURCHASING POWER...
Donnie: i have noticed that the agendas can and do change at any time. I've seen it change the morning of the day of the agenda. So just because some law isn't on the agenda now doesn't mean they won't slip it in at the last minute.
ALSO - just because a law IS on the agenda doesn't mean it will get read that day. 8/3 had 8 readings and a vote and only 3 were read and one voted on.
sczin11: TARIFFS* ^^^^
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› your right but that dose not mean they will hurry up and miss step in some way that will hurt themselves
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› I DISAGREE RESPECTFULLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR OIL..USA DOESNT NEED, AND NOW W THE IRANIAN POSSIBILITIES, IF IRAQS OIL WAS IN SUCH A DEMAND, OIL PRICES WOUKD BE HIGHER...JMHO
sczin11: ‹@Donnie› AGREED, TY, YOU ARE 100% CORRECT IN THAT REMINDER
sczin11: I AM SIMPKY RANTING RE THE NEED FOR ALL THE LAWS, IN ORDER FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE MONETARY REFORM....
sczin11: MOST HERE KNOW, I AM NOT A BELIEVER IN THAT
chattels: I READ WHERE STATE OF LAW IS GOING AFTER BARZANI OVER MOSUL - LIKELY ANTICIPATING AND DEFLECTING ISSUES FOR MALIKI
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› and most know I am just the big laws not all the banking laws are a must if nothing else
whitelions: ‹@chattels› agreeed
sczin11: ‹@chattels› QUITE POSSIBLY, AL JAZEERA APPARENTLY HAS SOME AUDIO VIDEO
[10:05:34 AM] chattels: A year ago, the furious ISIS attack managed to get as close as 27 km to Erbil with the extremists capturing the Gwer district and its surrounding villages. It was a tense time for Kurds and the Kurdish Yezidi under attack to north at Mt Shingal.
One year later, however, and Peshmerga commanders are reporting a tense calm as ISIS has been pushed back in many areas surrounding the capital of the Kurdistan region.
"There is a difference between the ISIS assault in the beginning and the Peshmrga's current position. At first, we did not have enough skill to fight off the barbaric assaults of ISIS.
[But] after a year, the Peshmerga have gained very good experience so that now none of their assaults can win their objectives," a Peshmerga commander told Rudaw.
Even so, the fragile stalemate could be shattered at any time and the jihadists still hold the cities of Mosul and Hawija to the north and south of Erbil.
chattels: rudaw.net/english/kurdist... http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/050820151
chattels: " .............. jihadists still hold the cities of Mosul and Hawija ....................... ", AND FALLUJAH AND RAMADI, BUT DO NOT TELL " XXX XXX”
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region - The chief of Iraq's military intelligence agency said Wednesday a six-member terror cell was arrested in Baghdad with suspected of links to the Islamic States.
The military intelligence chief said in a statement the suspected terrorists are from Diyala province and had received training in insurgent tactics in the Baghdad neighborhoods of Rashidiya, and Hossenya in Baghdad. The statement added that the terrorists confessed to several crimes, especially killing civilians through bombings and improvised explosive devices.
chattels: rudaw.net/english/middlee... http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/05082015
chattels: YOU THINK THE CONFESSORS GOT WATER BOARDED ?, IF THEY WERE FORTUNATE.
chattels: So, has Turkey really joined the war against ISIS, or the enemies of ISIS? Prominent authors such as Robert Fisk see this as another Western betrayal of the Kurds. Is he right? Are the Kurds once again being sold out?
chattels: THIS BUSINESS ABOUT TURKEY IS VERY DISTURBING, IMO.
chattels: TURKEY IS VIOLATING IRAQI - KURDISH AIRSPACE AND PEOPLE ARE DYING, BUT THE U.S. SAYS NOTHING !
chattels: THE KURDS ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAR ON TERROR AND THEY ARE TO BE ASSAULTED FROM THE AIR BY A NATO MEMBER AND ALLY OF THE U.S.?
Winnerdinar: ‹@chattels› morning pal - the whole war on terror is completely messed up- the Kurds are being betrayed here
Winnerdinar: Thanks for you thoughts chattels it truly is a disturbing situation
chattels: ‹@Winnerdinar› AS A KURD SYMPATHIZER I AM CERTAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS
Winnerdinar: This is just a thought
Winnerdinar: Do you think the allies want to stop Kurdistan from being independent
chattels: I THINK THAT ERDOGAN IS FIGHTING FOR THE LIFE OF HIS GOVERNMENT, BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONDUCT OF THE U.S.
chattels: EXCEPT AS A MISGUIDED FOREIGN POLICY DECISION
chattels: AS TO THE KURDS, AGAIN !
Winnerdinar: Thanks chattels - the Kurds are definitely getting raw deal here it's disturbing what our powers are capable of
Donnie: 6 Jul 2015 14:00 UTC - 5 Aug 2015 14:32 UTC USD/IQD close:1154.52 low:1152.07 high:1192.0
Winnerdinar: ‹@Tootsie› good morning
Tootsie: Asia Cell: sales tax revenues go to the financial and paid more than three billion dollars to the government 05/08/2015 16:56 / Asia Asia Telecom, confirmed on Wednesday that sales tax be applied to packaging and postpaid card by 20% does not hurt its interests at all but would negatively affect its sales and revenues and profits, and as pointed out that the increase will go directly to the Ministry of Finance, revealed to pay taxes and fees to the government of more than three billion and $ 500 million.
The company said, in a statement received (long-Presse) a copy of it, it was "uncomfortable misunderstandings regarding the sales tax contained in paragraph apply (a) of Article (33) of the federal budget for the year 2015 Law and Instructions No. (5) for the year 2015",
saying it "has, according to directives sent from the Ministry of Finance of the General Authority for taxes, starting from (the first of August now 2015), the imposition of value of 20% of the nominal value are installed on the scratch cards and electronic packaging for prepaid billing for postpaid tax sales service of service subscribers. " more here ~ translate.google.com/tran...
Tootsie: sczn11 has in forum ~
lonegunman: hello tootsie
lonegunman: well here we are another day
lonegunman: another yr lol
Tootsie: ‹@lonegunman› hi there, yes still. - have to leave now, take neighbor to p/u rental auto, someone backed into her autos side, nasty . take care.
MzDiva: Good Morning
MzDiva: :blink: :blink:
Winnerdinar: ‹@MzDiva› good morning
MzDiva: i guess i check back later on so quiet now
OOTW: HELLO, YES IT'S QUIET..I'M JUST REVIEWING GOVT SITES TO SEE IF I CAN FIND SOMETHING JUICY....SO FAR NO JOY
TxBrand: I have not figured out why O came on tv..is it just a beach session ?
Sam: Tariffis.... are they still seeming to be there