Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 9-27-15
Wealthwatch Sczinn11 & OOTW Chat 9-27-15
WE HAD AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION IN CHAT TODAY RE: PROTEST'S , JUDICIAL REFORM, CAN THE GOVERNMENT BE REFORMED?
AS WELL AS A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE UPCOMING MEETING BETWEEN IRAQ
AND OTHER ME COUNTRIES, AND FULL WTO ASCENSION (DATES GIVEN IN THE FORUM)
*SCZIN11: VERY TELLING..PLEASE READ.. The outbreak of the new parliament because of disagreements
*SCZIN11: THIS MAY BE VERY TELLING..WAITING ON COMMENTS FROM OOTW AS FAR AS THE "OTHER LAWS" RQUIRED TO REFORM THE JUDICIARY..
IMHO, THE JUDICIARY REFORM IS A VERY NECESSARY STEP, IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE MONETARY REFORM, AND CLEAN UP THE CORRUPTION...
*SCZIN11: The outbreak of the new parliament because of disagreements within the ..? 19:07 09/27/2015 Confirmed the parliamentary legal committee member Ibtisam Hilali, Sunday, continuing disputes with the Kurdish parliamentary blocs on the amendment of the Federal Court Act because of the commitment positions since the arrival of law to the House of Representatives.
She said Hilali in a statement to local media, "The Kurdish groups are trying to Federal Court to make under the new law to serve this or that party evidenced by their emphasis to be a vote on the law to meet and not in line",
calling on the Kurdish groups to "show flexibility in its negotiations with the political blocs in the House of Representatives to get the approval of the draft law of the Federal Court because of its importance in the organization of the judiciary and fix it.
" She added that "there are other laws related to the Federal Court on the House of Representatives must be legislation to contribute to reform of the judiciary as an adjustment to the Court of Cassation laws and public prosecution and judicial supervision, which is directly linked to the Federal Court Law emphasizes the independence of the judiciary to meet the demands of the demonstrators."
*SCZIN11: IS THE ARTICLE ABOVE PART OF THE HOLDUP?
*SCZIN11: Zamili: Iraqi judiciary has not taken any action so far in connection with the investigation with the accused Wrote: September 27, 2015
*SCZIN11: Chairman of the Commission on Security and Defense parliamentary stressed that the Iraqi judiciary has taken no action so far in connection with the investigation and the defendants involved in the case of the fall of the city of Mosul, however, the organization Daash.
He said Zamili that this important and dangerous file and affect the security establishment and stability of life and passed by Iraq after June of two thousand and fourteen, and there are accusations of several prominent figures, saying that the committee set up by Parliament has the right profile its follow-up and completion of their mission to hand over the file to the government and the judicial authorities concerned.
He is adding that he will follow up the investigation file after the Eid al-Adha holiday and was referred to the elimination of the accused or issued an arrest warrant this Zamili denied by the government to withdraw the investigation file of the judiciary.
Indicating that the Commission has sent investigative file into several quarters and from there to the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and to the Office of the Secretary of Defense and to the public prosecutors and military courts and to the President of the Supreme Judicial Council and all hand received a copy of the final report. *SCZIN11: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
OOTW: HI EVERYONE
OOTW: THE SITUATION WITH THE KURDS IS NOT THAT DISSIMILAR TO WHEN THEY HAVE BOYCOTTED SESSIONS OR LAWS IN THE PAST, IN ORDER TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEIR OWN CAUSE...AND TO SOME DEGREE, I AGREE WITH THEIR TACTICS
OOTW: OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS, WE'VE SEEN THEM STATE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THE FEDERAL COURT ACT, ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE THEY WANT ALL JUDICIAL LAWS PASSED
OOTW: HERE IS A PRESS RELEASE FROM THE JUDICIARY'S WEBSITE
OOTW: President of the Federal judiciary Judge Medhat al-Mahmoud announced for sending the Code of Federal judiciary bills The judge said Medhat al-Mahmoud said in a statement to (the media center of power Alqdhaiah- JAMC), that "the judiciary sent a draft of the Federal High Court Act and the Supreme Judicial and law regulating judges
Affairs and members of the public prosecution and the law of the prosecution and the law of judicial supervision and the law of the General Directorate of the Judiciary Council in order to legislation accordance with the constitutional contexts.
" He said he Mahmood "This came after what has been put these projects in a manner consistent with the requirements of the present and the consolidation of the independence of the judiciary."
OOTW: SOMEWHERE HERE AT WEALTHWATCH, THERE IS ALSO A PRESS RELEASE FROM THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE (AT THE PARLIAMENT SITE) WHICH DISCUSSES THE LEGAL COMMITTEE'S DRAFTING OF THE ABOVE REFERENCED JUDICIAL LAWS
OOTW: IT MAY SEEM DIVISIVE , BUT THE KURDS' STAND IS WARRANTED...WE WANT SWEEPING CHANGE, NOT CHANGES WHICH WILL COME ABOUT AS RESULT OF THE PASSING OF ONE LAW TO REGULATE THE JUDICIARY
OOTW: THE JUDICIARY NEEDS SWEEPING REFORMS - AND AFTER EID AL-ADHA, I BELIEVE THE PROTESTER'S WILL GO BACK INTO ACTION –
I DO NOT THINK THEY'LL STOP UNTIL THE JUDICIARY IS COMPLETELY REFORMED, BUT THEY'LL NEED TO BE CHANGES TO THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL....THERE'S A GREAT WEBSITE...
"THE JUSTICE NEWS" AND THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS FOR YEARS..THE PEOPLE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE NEEDED REFORMS
AND THEY NOW HAVE THE BACKING OF SISTANI, THIS "CONSCIOUSNESS" IS NOW PREVAILING AMONGST THE PEOPLES
OOTW: I REALLY DO BELIEVE, EVENTUALLY, WE WILL SEE A BIG CHANGE IN THE JUDICIARY, IF NOT THE GOVT, IN ORDER TO ENACT THESE NEEDED REFORMS..TALK AIN'T WORKING ANYMORE...THE PEOPLE WANT ACTION
OOTW: OKAY BRB...READING ANOTHER ARTICLE
OOTW: SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THE FALL OF MOSUL REPORT
OOTW: AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, ABADI FEELS COMPELLED TO PREVENT THE RELEASE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION
OOTW: THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ARTICLES PRESSING FOR FULL DISCLOSURE OF THIS FILE
OOTW: HERE'S AN INTERESTING ARTICLE ON THE POLITICAL TENSION UNDERLYING THE SITUATION - THIS IS A NO COPY OR PASTE WEBSITE
*SCZIN11: MAYBE THE SOLIDIFICATION OF JUDICIARY REFORM FIRST, SO NOTHING LEFT OPEN TO APPEALS AND ACQUITTALS
OOTW: YES, SO, IN EFFECT THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE STRICT CONTROLS TO BE IMPOSED ON THE JUDICIARY, WHICH IS AT THE HEART OF THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY, GUARANTEED IN THE CONSTITUTION –
SO AGAIN, THIS GETS BACK TO THE NEED TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION OR PASS LAWS WHICH PROVIDE AN AMENDMENT , VIA THE LAWS, TO THE CONSTITUTION
OOTW: THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT MAHMOUD WILL DO WHAT'S BEST FOR HIS KIND - AND IT'S CLEAR TO THEM HE'S HIDING BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION - AND THE PEOPLE JUST DON'T CARE ANYMORE, THEY WANT HIM GONE
OOTW: THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KEEP PRESSING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT THE FALL OF MOSUL AS WELL AS FOR THE JUDICIARY TO BE GREATLY RESTRUCTURED, IF NOT REDUCED (THEIR INFLUENCE)
OOTW: IF MAHMOUD "FALLS" SO MANY PEOPLE WILL GO DOWN, IT WILL BE A (AT LEAST ) FIGURATIVE BLOOD BATH
OOTW: I'M SURE ABADI SEES THIS POTENTIAL AND IS TRYING TO (AGAIN) BE THE MEDIATOR FOR ALL OF THE FACTIONS IN THE IRAQI GOVT
OOTW: NOT AN EASY JOB
OOTW: ABADI NEEDS SOME KIND OF A SCAPEGOAT IN THIS SITUATION
OOTW: THIS ARTICLE POST DATES THE PREVIOUS FROM AAWSAT aawsat.com/home/article/4... LINK
OOTW: SPEAKING OF PROCEDURES TO RESTRUCTURE THE GOVT AND ABADI'S PLACE IN THAT
OOTW: HERE'S AN INTERESTING ARTICLE
OOTW: ONE THING I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THE "SOURCE" OF THIS ARTICLE IS THAT THE WRITER SAYS TARIQ HARB (FORMER MALIKI GOON) IS HIS FRIEND AND HE RESPECTS HARB'S OPINION RE THE ABADI'S DESIRE TO DISSOLVE CERTAIN POSITIONS IN THE GOVT AND WHAT'S NEEDED CONSTITUTIONALLY TO DO THIS
OOTW: THE ARTICLE OUTLINES THE PROCEDURES
OOTW: HERE ARE TWO KEY PARAGRAPHS FROM THE ARTICLE AND I ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE REQUIRED PROCESSES TO PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE IN ITS ENTIRETY
OOTW: I. Tariq Harb said in 08/09/2015 Iraq Press, that "the decisions of the prime minister Haider al-Abadi ... and the abolition of the top positions do not need at all to the approval of the House of Representatives .... not also need to be approved by the Council of Ministers,"
and this is contrary to the Constitution and the law for the absence of any the validity of the Prime Minister to cancel any position and there were no word Cancel in the law or the Constitution and the authority in the arched cabinet Constitution and not the President of the Council,
and the Prime Minister to sack Minister shall take effect only and not after the vote the Council of Ministers and the Parliament (article 78) of the Constitution, and identified the powers of the President Council of Ministers, and made him the direct executive responsible public policy of the State, and Article 80 of the Constitution defined the powers of the Council of Ministers.
There is an earlier statement to Tariq Harb reinforces what we have said since criticized the existence of "the Prime Minister has no right to dissolve parliament only with the consent of the country's president, and not his dismissal Minister without the consent of the House of Representatives.
"Secondly - Tariq Harb said in an August 11, 2015 that" the status of the Vice-Presidents of the Republic, and the Prime Minister, has become a precedent after the House of Representatives approval of the government and parliamentary reforms package.
" Adding that he "can not they come to official meetings in their constituencies because they no longer have a recipe functional or legal."
This is not accurate because they remain in office, described the functional unless the vote on the pink slip by the parliament, but if they ask to resign, and a confirmation that the House of Representatives three head continue practicing daily their business, and the Prime Minister's decision to abolish the posts of Vice President of the Republic contrary to the Constitution, and if unintentionally
OOTW: to the Constitution, and if unintentionally dismissal setting calls to cancel the Vice President of the Republic No. 1 of the 2012 Act, and the request of the President of the Republic to keep one of them according to the constitution.
Third-On 12 / 09/2015 said Tariq Harb: (Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi constitutionally responsible for the entire state, not from the executive or the government or cabinet only, ..) and the war that
"According to this constitutional article (78) they give the prime minister the power to draw and approve the general policy of the House of Representatives as well as for the presidency because the state includes all of these authorities.
" Noting that "the Prime Minister's decision to cancel these positions is a violation of the law, the Constitution and the infallible response to these decisions being issued by the owner of the highest authority in the state,"
OOTW: SO AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PRESS, ABADI'S STATEMENTS HAVE FLUCTUATED BETWEEN DISMISSING SOME MP'S OR DISSOLVING THE GOVT
OOTW: THE LAST PARAGRAPH SOLIDIFIES WHAT MR VISSER AND CHATTELS HAVE BEEN SAYING , THAT THE PRESIDENCIES LAW HAS TO ALLOW FOR THE RETENTION ONE OF THE VP'S
OOTW: EVERYTHING IS A MESS RIGHT NOW
OOTW: MALIKI'S REIGN HAS DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE COUNTRY
OOTW: IT'S IMMEASURABLE
OOTW: ALL OF THE CONJECTURE JUST SEEMS TO CONTINUE TO POINT TO A NEED TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION –
IF NOT, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO DISSOLVE THE GOVT IN ORDER TO ENACT SWEEPING REFORMS - UNLESS , SOMEHOW, ABADI, JOBOURI AND MASSUM CAN PULL A FAST ONE - KINDA LIKE THEY DID TO PREVENT MALIKI FROM GETTING HIS THIRD TERM
OOTW: THIS IS A VERY TENDER SITUATION IN THE COUNTRY
TxBrand: do you think they can start over ?
OOTW: THEIR CREDIT RATING, IRONICALLY, AS WELL AS "VALIDLY" SEEMS TO BE A REFLECTION OF THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE GOI
TxBrand: i guess no ones knows
newbieDA: 34th session of the Steering Committee of the Parliamentary Conference on the WTO (in camera) GENEVA (IPU Headquarters), 1 October 2015
newbieDA: and this
newbieDA: Arab Inter-Parliamentary Union Geneva (Switzerland), October 17 - 21, 2015
newbieDA: yep, point out stuff like that, I will write it down so we have it
newbieDA: ‹@OOTW› ty also
newbieDA: I got that from those articles, I will remind everyone of those events
OOTW: OKAY EVERYONE I HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORKING ON A BOOK SUBMISSION HUGS