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chattels: expect the infrastructure damage to be significant
chattels: Ramadi is six times the size of Shingal
OOTW: YES - THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE BEST STRATEGY WOULD BE TO CUT OFF ELECTRICITY TO THE REGION, BUT THE GOI HAS OPTED NOT TO DO THIS OOTW: webcache.googleuserconten...
chattels: ‹@OOTW› all such tactics impact the remaining civilian population as well
OOTW: OF COURSE, BUT AS STATED, THEY COULD HAVE HAD THE REGION CLEARED OF DAASH MUCH SOONER IF THAT WERE TO HAVE HAPPENED
chattels: just think about Mosul, a city of about 750,000 remaining
OOTW: WHETHER TRUE, IDK
OOTW: YES, I KNOW ..IMPLAUSIBLE REALLY
chattels: add the need to be " careful " and " sensitive " to the Sunni population to minimize complaints of Shia militia cruelty
OOTW: YES IN THE PANEL DISCUSSION THEY EMPHASIZED THE INTENDED AVOIDANCE OF SHIA MILITIA IN THE REGION
chattels: Fallujah should be next ( a little smaller than Ramadi )
OOTW: I HAVE TO THINK THAT ABADI'S ASSERTION THAT DAASH WOULD BE CLEARED OUT BE END OF YEAR WAS OBVIOUSLY REACHING
chattels: Park House Speaker Saleem al-Jubouri, on Tuesday, the great victories achieved by the Iraqi forces and the crowd clan in the city of Ramadi. Jubouri said in a statement his office received by all of Iraq [where] a copy of it, that "the signs of victory which we receive from Anbar calls of pride and promise Bandhar terrorism Daash in the near future,"
stressing "the need to invest this progress and edit all the dirt Anbari of abomination terrorism." .. as al-Jubouri called for "all military and police sons and the sons of the tribes to be accurate in strikes and to spare civilians any harm possible as a result of military operations"
chattels: Jubouri is Sunni as you all probably know
OOTW: YES OOTW: TY
Abraham: ‹@OOTW› I am positive that the IMF has discussed timelines with both Iraq and the US Government as it is important that ISIS is removed from Control of these two areas ASAP. IMF can use their authority to pressure members to meet timelines to improve the Global Financial Position of developing Countries.
chattels: " the sons of the tribes " is a reference to Sunni fighters
OOTW: YES IT SEEMS IN RESPECTIVE CONSULTS - THE IMF DOES SEEM TO ADDRESS SUCH/SIMILAR ISSUES
OOTW: VERY GOOD POINTS TYVM CHATTELS
OOTW: AND ABRAHAM TOO TY
Abraham: ‹@OOTW› always a pleasure
Abraham: It's time for the developed Nations to understand that we cannot allow these Jihad factions to rob the development of developing Nations. This is a topic that needs to be addressed at the United Nations General Assembly. Developing Nations trade with Developed Nations and seek other services in many areas
Abraham: They must be a Global force put together to address problem areas. It will come to past because it's an issue that we must face
chattels: Kurdistan : Italian official arrives in Erbil to inaugurate consulate rudaw.net/english/kurdist... http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/221220151
chattels: ‘End of Syria as we know it,’ outgoing UNHCR chief warns
chattels: UNITED NATIONS, New York - Syria and Iraq may cease to exist within their present borders unless a swift end to the Syrian war – now in its fifth year – is found, the outgoing head of the UN’s refugee agency warned.
"If the conflict does not end quickly, this might be the end of Syria as we know it – and the same is true for Iraq," the UNHCR reported Antonio Guterres as saying at the United Nations in New York on Monday. chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=3414
chattels: Barzani declared the same one year ago.
OOTW: GOSH..SIGH OOTW: TY
chattels: The " artificial " borders created by Sykes - Pico Agreement over one hundred years ago will not survive according to " scholars "
Abraham: ‹@chattels› Biblical Prophesy Unfolding
chattels: Picot *
OOTW: THE UNFOLDING OF THE DINAR WOULD BE GREAT
chattels: ‹@OOTW› Not to worry. You know who says it will be done. :)
chattels: Iraq’s New Humanitarian Crisis, Interview UNHCR’s Rep To Iraq Bruno Geddo
chattels: The on going war with the Islamic State has created another humanitarian disaster in Iraq. There are over 3 million displaced with more leaving their homes as fighting shifts to different parts of the country. The Iraqi government has been hard pressed to meet the needs of these people, and the international community has failed to meet several calls for donations by the United Nations.
Even in areas that have been cleared of insurgents there are disputes over who should be allowed back. To help explain this situation is Bruno Geddo who is the United Nations High Commission for Refugees’ representative in Iraq.
chattels: " Even in areas that have been cleared of insurgents there are disputes over who should be allowed back. "
rocknrollbus: Good read here.............en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red...
chattels: There are political and social wars within the war on DAESH.
chattels: Many political factions are striving to remake Iraq socioeconomically and demographically to suit their own agendas
chattels: Unfortunately, the situation is going to get worse before it gets better. Everyone is waiting for the day when a massive military offensive will be undertaken by the government to retake control of Mosul.
Large-scale civilian population movements can be expected in the wake of such an offensive and UNHCR and other UN agencies and partners have developed contingency plans and an emergency response capacity (UNHCR, for example, has 20,000 tents as contingency stocks as well as core relief items).
chattels: Areas of the country that have come back under government control need to be made safe; services need to be restored and public buildings rehabilitated. Unexploded ordnance is still a big issue. Families will only return when it is safe for them to do so; when their city’s infrastructure is restored, when their homes are habitable.
rocknrollbus: You would think that after all that DAESH has done to Iraq, those idiots would put aside their petty tribal differences and work together for the good of their country!!
chattels: " This will take some time. "
chattels: I have " preached " the stages of " normalization " post removal of DAESH for some time now. I have also talked about Barzani unilaterally implementing Article 140. The Kurds are resisting return of Arabs in pre-Saddam Kurdish areas in preparation for a census and referendum.
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› Iraq has no sense of " country ", IMO. There is little common ground for a nationalistic movement that defines the current Iraq. The Kurds want heir own " country ".
chattels: And the Sunni and Shia are settling old scores.
rocknrollbus: And yes, they've passed the budget, but does that mean the Kurds will really give Bagdad the oil? and, will Bagdad really give the Kurds their 17%?
rocknrollbus: Another good (long) read...............en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar...
rocknrollbus: IMO, Barzani has pretty much etched in stone, 140 is Kurdish Law.
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› We shall see, eh ?
chattels: One of the reasons that the Kurds are so entrenched against Judicial reform without " minority protection " ( unanimity on the court ) is that do not want to be on the wrong side of a Iraqi Supreme Court decision, IMO.
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 6h6 hours ago Sadr: Hashd elements taking advantage of war to try to take over south & central Iraq www.sotaliraq.com/newsite... …
chattels: Progress in Ramadi - ISW @TheStudyofWar 5h5 hours ago New ISW Ramadi Control maps. An overview and zoomed in to Central #Ramadi. bit.ly/1OJt7Ob
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 6h6 hours ago Article says US Special Forces backed by helicopters providing intel on Ramadi op www.sotaliraq.com/newsite... …
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 8h8 hours ago Ex Fin Min Issawi gets 1 yr sentence for hiring relatives & giving out degrees So much for terrorism charges www.sotaliraq.com/newsite... …
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 8h8 hours ago Iraqi forces thinks there's around 300 IS fighters left in central Ramadi english.shafaaq.com/secur... …
chattels: Sorry the news that I am posting is so disjointed as to topic. I am just getting around to reading my usual sources.
rocknrollbus: When will they remove Mahmoud?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› I do think that the Kurds will give the 550,000 barrel amount a chance. My concern is for the surplus production. The budget law, we think, requires that the Kurds account for all oil produced through SOMO.
rocknrollbus: I was under the impression anything "over" 500Kbrls was the Kurds.............
rocknrollbus: And, I think Abadi will do a much better job than Maliki did.
rocknrollbus: Maliki just flat refused to pay the Kurds..........
chattels: Araji is highly critical of US calls for Parliament to arm Iraqi destinations outside the framework of government
chattels: 12/21/2015 18:24 BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / criticized the head of the Badr parliamentary bloc member of the Commission on Security and Defense Qassim al-Araji, calls the US Parliament to arm Iraqi destinations outside part of the government, accusing the United States as striving to divide Iraq by weakening the government. he said in a statement today. "
We warn everyone who thinks that Iraq is up for grabs and the possible split it easily, "stressing" the need not to enter the weapons and one of the non-knowledge and consent of the Iraqi government.
"The al-Araji," the importance of unifying and renounce factional and national interests and stand against foreign schemes to divide the country.
"The members of the US section of the Parliament have declared their intention to submit a proposal to the US government in the next year to year and arming the Peshmerga in Iraq directly without the consent of the Iraqi government on the pretext that the latest receive sophisticated weapons but Atattiyha for the year and the Peshmerga.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr. http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=3420
chattels: The foregoing is a part of the internal pressure and factionalism within the Shia National Alliance that Abadi must deal with.
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› The 2015 Budget Law was silent as to excess production, but news reports say that the budget expressly provides otherwise in 2016.
chattels: Alas, we have yet to see a English translation of the 2016 Budget Law.
bobrv: so until we see an english version its not for real
bobrv: its been translated by many, many professionals, and itts what it says it is
chattels: The provisions for oil / gas in last year's budget and even still this year are hardly sufficient to resolve all the issues between the GOI and the KRG. It is not " THE " HCL.
chattels: ‹@bobrv› You should have no problem in producing a link for such a translation(s) then, eh ?
chattels: bobrv is a real good example of " internet bravado "
chattels: until we can read a translation for ourselves then we are dependent upon incomplete / unverified news, IMO
chattels: " it is what it says it is " ?
chattels: It is not " permanent ".
chattels: There are several constitutional issues that must be dealt with before there is a permanent / plenary HCL, IMO.
WE WILL AWAIT THE OFFICIAL PUBLICATION OF THE 20016 BUDGET IN ENGLISH BEFORE STUDYING AND ISSUING STATEMENTS....BUT YES, CHATTELS IS CORRECT, IT IS A LAW LASTING ONE FISCAL YEAR (OOTW)
OOTW: ANYTHING PUBLISHED WITHIN THE 2016 IS "LAW" BUT ALSO ANY SUCH PROVISIONS CAN ALWAYS BE CHALLENGED IN COURT
OOTW: THE 2015 BUDGET LAW, FOR EXAMPLE, DETAILED THE PAYMENTS TO BE MADE TO THE KURDS...BUT AS WE KNOW, THOSE DID NOT HAPPEN AS COMPOSED WITHIN THE BUDGET