A Continuation Of Reader Comments Brought From White hats
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Charlie says: October 19, 2014 at 7:25 pm Tony: A good Sunday evening to you sir, as well as to all the other WHA Auxiliary congregation.
The intel from this site coupled with the intel from the OWoN site has been invaluable to my level of information regarding the Awakening and the RV/GCR.
Although I appreciate very much the candor from Mr. OWoN (I know that he’s just one contributor, but do not know his name), I at times find myself a bit lost in the Britishisms and dry humor.
I love Monty Python and get it. That being said, I appreciate all that his group is doing to push this forward.
Is it possible to characterize the most recent missive from Mr. OWoN as the pre-pre get ready. I felt this way after reading, but am aware that a more formal announcement is the one we should be looking for – #126.
Because of this site, I had my thoughts confirmed that the oversupply of Iraqi dinar could prove speculation in that currency troublesome to say the least at conversion time.
Due to this, I switched out of most of my Iraqi dinar and now own mostly dong, yuan and won. I am heavily weighted towards dong. In Mr. OWoN’s message seems to intimate the the dinar is almost “blood money” that the lay speculative currency investor need not hold out much hope in.
I am fully prepared to place my remaining dinar in my currency collection or as wallpaper in an outhouse. I certainly hope that is not the case for the Vietnamese dong.
I am not sure why there would be a problem with exchanging the dong since it is currently a globally traded currency. I trust it is not as “stinky” and problematic as holding tens of millions of dinar could be.
As for me, I have a relationship with Wells Fargo and have had material business with them for 20 years on the personal side. I also maintain a LLC account for my business.
In anticipation of the Event, I have opened up 3 new demand deposit and savings accounts with banking institutions and expanded one other knowing I will need to quickly diversify any proceeds among several institutions.
My question is – Are other members of the WHA seeking attorneys and/or accountants to go into the Bank with them should this pan out? If so, what is the thinking around what is required?
I have all of the purchase information and invoicing needed from the dealers that I bought the currencies from. My source of income is street legal and clean. I should think that this would be enough. Please let me know if I am missing anything.
On taxes, is not part of the process minimizing the role of the IRS in the new Republic of the USA?
At that time will the US Treasury assume again the function of collecting taxes?
To Mr. OWoN’s repeated points on the fact that the US leadership does not want the public participating in the RV/GCR, I am at a loss to understand why if Goldman Sachs and the I-Banks have for decades played both sides of transactions in order to arbitrage and take advantage in price disparities in markets, why would this be frowned upon in a new Republic from retail citizens.
If she will be starving for cash in a marked economic downturn, would the prospect of having Americans that have awakened and not in need of public assistance to bridge this transition not be a good thing for the Republic?
I am a bit confused on this point. I would think that taking personal initiative to inform themselves in a speculative investment in order to be self financing and use the proceeds to invest in industries to put people back to work and build up the Republic would be awesome.
The Old pre-cabal American way. Perhaps, I have a glitch in my Matrix.
Thank you again for all you have done and continue to do. Between the high hope and debilitating fear I bounce from everyday, I send peace and strength to the WHA members at the turn of the tide.
I understand that Mr. OWoN is matter of fact, but I certainly do wish that the more apocalyptic economic events do not occur to our people or to the global community as a whole.
I believe the best is ahead of us and we are moving into a “Golden Age” that we always thought was possible in which people realize our connection to one another without barriers, colors, races – whatever separation you want to insert here.
I am for one going to stand on that thought knowing our positive thoughts create change. If it goes that other way, I am ready for that as well. I wish everyone much luck and safety in the coming days and weeks. Much love and light, Charlie
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hi, Thank you for your good will, and your kind support
As for what other members are doing, we do not keep a record of. Each person has to approach this based on their individual circumstances and situations.
As for the tax matters, we do not know of any specific plans for changes to the Treasury’s authority to collect taxes. Please contact your congressional representative for any such information.
As for “Mr. OWoN”, we are fortunate to have him take us under his wing.
We are further just as fortunate that our WH contact briefed us on who he is without us having to guess or wonder if he was not just another blogger who loved to engage in all manner of exaggerations to seem wise or expert, as is the case with far too many others. He certainly does NOT fall into that sad category.
Mr. OWoN is not obligated to give us any assistance. Nor is our WH contact.
It is by the slimmest of margins that we have such direct assistance from those involved in the new architecture from which the RV and such will come forth.
It is all of your duties to plan for and act with the best counsel you can avail yourselves of, and our contact and his colleagues have done and will continue to give us whatever help they can as well.
It is my duty to keep us in good graces with them, and to make sure we are as informed as possible, with their assistance. Thank you again.
whitehatauxiliaries says: Happy Anniversary! You registered on WordPress.com 2 years ago! Thanks for flying with us. Keep up the good blogging!
John s. says: WOO HOO!!!! CONGRATS ON THE ANNIVERSARY! Thanks for your help and that of the white hats.
alwaysme says: Oh wow! So honored to be part of this brilliant group and proud to support its noble cause! Long live the White Hats! psst Tony, a little tip (and maybe it’s just me), I don’t think chicks dig speedos! ;)
whitehatauxiliaries says: They sure don’t. But I did receive a date proposal from the cabana boy. :o
alwaysme says: ok wait… literally LOL, almost ROTF! Nicely done!
Andrew says: Hi Tony, at your discretion I would like to offer Matthew’s latest message for our community to read. It is a very good summary of why we are where we are and our progress to change.
It also references Obama. To be honest, you may recall me posting my suspicions O is a double agent for the light – well here is my source. I trust Matthew and have read him for years – it is an esoteric source so I will say that upfront. Thanks for your work; let us hope the next is 126 and not 125.7 (although that too would be welcome).
Realist says: Best of luck to all!
Gazza says: Ok Tony I apologise. So if perhaps I felt it best to gift some dong away now to people who have a better bank standing than I do, what is involved in “gifting?”… just a signed piece of paper stating “I gift this over to XX” etc with a couple of signatures on it?
Do you think that would be acceptable in legal eyes as a way of someone obtaining dong especially if I (the gifter) still have my receipts? Thank you!
Green Lantern says: As I’m digging into the fine print on exchanging VNDs, once the GCR occurs, I got a red flag from the Travelex site. Namely, it was the “total value not to exceed $2500 USD”.
That was one of my initial concerns regarding procuring VND. Between this and the Patriot Acts, which also have “gate keepers” in place for DHS to be alerted to large bank transactions, my question is how, when the time comes, those holding VND will be able to have their big pay day?
My interest is definitely there in wanting to do this, but I need to understand more about the “hows” of making an exchange this big. I do know a number of you are deeper into this part of the equation than I am, so your guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Green Lantern says: It appears my answer recides in an OWoN reply prior to my info request. You can leave my post, if you like, but since it appears to be redundant, feel free to delete it. Meanwhile, this is securing my thoughts of sticking with PMs for the time being.
Gazza says: Green Lantern Forget Travelex and all such places. They will not be able to cash you out and potentially any notes purchased from them may be tangled up with legal issues.
Personally I do not want the rates to be large because it’ll cause loadsa problems. Hoping for a penny or two per dong. Anything more will be chaos and the law will come down on us like a fist.
Think about it… 500k single note becomes like $200k USD? Forget it! You won’t be allowed to cash out a wedge of them, certainly not casually in your local bank like you are cashing a $20 cheque!!!
This thing is huge and a minefield and now it seems certain notes may even be an issue. And there will be a further issue. Then your dear leader will be there ready to take it from you post-rv.
I’m thinking about gifting some away now because I’m a poor simple guy a bank wouldn’t spit on me if I was on fire. No bank will take me seriously if I turn up with a wedge of 500k VND/£130k GBP notes (@ 40c per dong). They’ll probably have me arrested.
Paul L Davis says: Hi Gazza, I have been reading your ‘personal’ doom and gloom fears for a while now. There is a saying; ‘Where your attention is there you are.’
You can have any future you want. You can have it as painful as you want or as freeing and loving as you want. What you think and say is what you are asking the Universe to give to you.
Know this fundamental truth so that when you get what you want, an awful future for yourself, remember that most others are focusing differently; as they want more and more goodness in their experience
. Creation is big enough [ remember infinity is involved] to give everyone what they want.
Most of us do not want a fearful and negative future. If you keep on thinking, feeling and expressing fearful stuff you will find others will start to ignore you same old dame old. It is time to grow up Gazza. You will not find othersw to join your pity party here.
When it is all said and done you will be able to count yourself as one who supported fear and hindered the freeing of humanity from enslavement.
XCE says: WHA, have you heard anything that there would be issues with large dong notes, like the 500k ones? They seem to be the most common for investors, but OWON alluded to a possible problem if I understand it. From brokers I have looked at they didn’t give the option of certain denominations of dong notes. They only sent what filled the order, regardless of denomination.
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hi, No, I have not heard of any issues with them not being just as valid as the lower denominations, since the VND is a recognized and traded currency.
I cannot speak for what denominations were sent by any dealer. I would suggest that if you want to move to lower denominations, just take them to the bank and ask for such. They might be able to help you there. Not sure.
maxm2014 says: XCE. Could you recite the particular article that led you to infer this statement. I have been and avid follower of OWON for some time and do not recall any discussion pertaining to this statement..
HKmarkets says: OWoN info on Dongs, etc,: MONDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2014 AT 3:59:00 PM MDT China will have a major say in what happens with Vietnam. They WILL protect their investments there. People gamble what they can afford to lose at their own risk.Greed and Gullibility rule.
The higher price by far, is for the lower denomination notes. The market is already telling you a lot. The world has changed a lot in 20 years. Is there even a need for 500K notes now apart from Drug dealers and money Launderers? Banks will be very wary of them.
These are issues the currency gamblers needed to factor in. None are certain.
What if the IMF and countries just print new notes and trash the old?
There are so many neon flashing lights yet. There is not the money in the world to bail the Dinars, its all been insanity. The more greedy suckers they could rope in, the more they printed.
It was only ever a Rope a Dope game. They never expected to cash them, just to take the fools who bought in. The Paper printers made the money. Ignorance ruled. It was a new Klondike of feed the greed.
So its a judgement call. The small notes command the higher prices. Why? Tough calls are coming. Will they mass bail the market? Not a prayer.
At best, the :PP groups will cut a deal and the rest will be cut loose as Iraq wont pay again for them. Banks don’t care who burns. Racketeers made Billions printing coloured crap.
Dongs at least have a solid country and are not over printed. But is there a market for 500K notes? You can still buy them for a few Bucks. Which says what? Smart traders given nothing away. So why so low?
All these notes have issues with them. Lower values seem the best shots. Higher still look to be Monopoly Money. If you don’t know, why are you buying any of them? It all looks a Turkey shoot to me.
The big battalions have influence, you have what? How many years now? Real world, lets hope by Thanksgiving. If not seriously start thinking next year then.
The people market exists solely to hope for crumbs from the top tier tables. And no one cares.When the big boys cash out and pull out, what then? None of this is a market organised by Professionals.
Dirtbags mass sold to the gullible and greedy. Now we wait for the mess to unfold and decisions to be made. Some will get a good hit. A lot will be left holding ? This will not be an easy ride. $500K can buy us $500M. And still we don’t bite. Hello?
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LL says: Tony, Congrats on the two years and much thanks for all you do. Someone on OWON mentioned your contact estimated low .40 on Dong RV? Do you think this may be the case? Much obliged!
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hi, The last time we were informed, we were told an estimated range for the public on the dong would be .47 to 1.00. That was just an estimate and not a guarantee.
All things being equal, be prepared for anything.
One thing for sure is that while we are waiting, it seems changes are always in progress, and then we have to take into account the information that is not shared with us at all, and who knows what that could mean in the end.
Iceman says: I’m not sure what OwoN means on the 500k dong notes. From my basic understanding on economics and exchanges. When forex says .47 per dong
It doesn’t matter what you got as long as it’s not counterfeit you should be able to exchange it. Maybe he means on PPP. they pay more on smaller notes. But market value is market value.
No body sees 1000 USA dollar bills on the street. I had one. Guess what it was worth. The same as 10-100 dollar bills or 50-20 dollar bills.
whitehatauxiliaries says: I tend to agree with you on the higher denominations, but I think the point was that China was going to have a say in this…..and if they call such shots, well, there is probably not thing one any of us can do about it.
Let’s see what happens before Thanksgiving. I have been on watch for any signs of “….nuts for this year, it’s 2015…..”. But, no such information has reached my attention so far.
LP says: Happy two-year anniversary, WHA. We all owe you and your WH contacts a huge debt of gratitude. Fortuna, seguruuntur te always, Mister Man!
Iceman says: Tony. So what would happen to 500k notes. Dongs. It’s still money
whitehatauxiliaries says: I have no idea….best pose that to OWoN.
Iceman says: I can’t post there I’ve tried.
whitehatauxiliaries says: Please write to OWon Admin for help in posting. They can give you some things to try.
EricDL says: “I have been on watch for any signs of ‘….nuts for this year, it’s 2015…..’. But, no such information has reached my attention so far.”
“You want a prediction? You’re asking the wrong [squirrel]. I’ll give you a prediction about the ‘weather’. It’s gonna be cold. It’s gonna be dark. And it’s gonna last you for the rest of ”
It’s GROUND HOG DAY!! Damn cabal.
chris g says: Will you be trading in your 500k notes tony? I think ill be trading mines in the a m but will 200k notes (which I personally have the lions share in) be considered large notes?
whitehatauxiliaries says: I have 100K notes. I cannot even begin to tell you where the cutoff is for considering what is large or small in the dong category.
That will have to be asked of those at OWoN. All of this sudden disfavoring of the 500K dong notes is not anything we can even begin to address over here. Thank you.
naturalized citizen says: So the question is where do we go from here.
I get that OWoN disdains the US for what it has done to the world and its people. We are with them. Trust me, I don’t even know what to do with the dumb and blind in this country.
What we need is the accurate and timely information, and most of us thought IQD was that years ago. Then we were told to switch to VND.
The truth of the matter is VND is still an exotic currency to purchase in that we really do not have much choice as to where to purchase them and in what denomination.
So given the most recent input from OWoN, do we travel to Vietnam to convert the high denomination currencies to lower denominations? That would seem to be the only solution given to us at this juncture.
Speaking for most who reads this blog, we would appreciate being at the receiving end of accurate information with practical applications and not so much disdains for being part of the sick nation. If we knew what to do within our own means without being killed, many of us would.
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hello, I would await any further information before you take your dong to Vietnam. But, you are free to explore whatever options you may feel are good for your circumstances.
R L says: OWoN TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21, 2014 AT 2:10:00 AM MDT
Lets be clear on notes. Vietnam was all lawful currency in its time, before Banks and others were mass looted by occupying parasites. So at least you have a basis of hope here, albeit some with questions of history of funds and how obtained. But times and markets have changed.
So has virtual ownership of Vietnamese industries. Now China has a huge stake in Vietnam and will not lightly surrender its vast investment. Nor will the nation see its jobs lost in a crazy currency hike which destroys its export markets. So already a balance needs to be found, plus, who is paying for it?
With what? The market needs a reality check. Finite money, Export dependencies and jobs factor in.
Not and army of clutching currency ants screaming Gimme, gimme,.gimme. What works now for Vietnam? Plus, what deal will be cut for the major tiers. Real World?
A lot is in negotiation and all has to be decided on. Let’s all wait and see. But with Dongs you should see something back. The question is what. If we can still buy $500m blocks for c$500K, with all the Street Smart Forex Traders involved, what does that tell us?
You really think they will pass up on a killing like that, if real? So- Reality, what will be the real rate? We all have to wait and see. Guru rags know nothing and hype the greed and naivety of the Wannabes.
No one made anyone gamble. Do we reward proceeds of crime? Plus it then becomes Money Laundering? Do these funds trace back to genuine Trade Debts, or War Looting, or unauthorised printing? KYC and Diligence rules with anti Money Laundering oversight.
What is the provenance of these Dinar funds? Laws have changed and moved on since this scam started. At the rates forecast, there is not the money in the world to bail them at such rates. Nor does Iraq need or want them. It cant pay for them at such rates- Ever! So,decisions.
The big battalions will be first at the trough and Political fixes. Big Dogs feed first. Then what because very soon Iraqi conversion funds will deplete. Then what? Borrow Israel’s Wailing Wall?
So Yes, Iraqi Dinars carry big questions. It needs judgement calls.
All we tried to do is help parties evaluate real questions. No one is owed and no one made anyone buy. Iraq can never, ever, ever, justify hundreds of Ts. So now what? Real issues, real decisions are needed.
We wait.We hold none. We just can not see a clear history of lawful rights to trade in them. Big battalions will be part accommodated, but Joe Public? Basic questions need to be resolved.
Lets wait and see what reality determines. Is Santa coming? Whatever chance you have, Dongs profile better. All these other Jungle Bunny papers???????????? What do you know which the market doesn’t? Not Boiler Plate hype by Guru frauds. Intelligent Diligence.
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For some time now, the White Hats and John from OWoN have been indicating that the Dong is likely to be okay and while we do understand that things can change, the above information from OWoN is a bit confusing and ambiguous.
Admittedly, we are just little minnows in the big scheme of things and understand that we are not meant to know what’s going on behind the scenes. However, the discussion over the last 24 hours feels like a roller coaster. Reading with some sympathy Gazza’s heartfelt outpouring of despondency.
It is speculative. Noone owes us anything. It is a gamble. We get that. We come here (gratefully) to WHA and OWoN for facts, the unvarnished brutal (if need be) truth – and we have been educating ourselves accordingly.
The efforts of so many are deeply appreciated. We would never wish to impose ourselves on the good graces of the White Hats, yet we are left wondering if the higher demominations of the Dong have now gone the same way as the Dinar: i.e. toast? Thank you Tony.
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hello, I understand your concern. The correct venue for your question is at OWoN.
WHA is not in a position to question or override their position in all of these events from the standpoint of information access. If they issue comments and opinions, such stand on their own.
My personal take on these recent comments is that things are still not fully settled. It would appear that the dong is the better bet, but now we just have to wait and see what is going to happen in the rate arena.
Any questions about the higher denominations should be taken to OWoN, as I have zero information on them to offer.
Personally, I do not see anything that says that they are going to be worthless at this time. Nothing on the CBOV is saying such, so all we can do is either hold onto them, exchange them for lower denoms, or perhaps get rid of them all and move onto a less speculative endeavor for ones fortune seeking.
“Let’s all wait and see. But with Dongs you should see something back. The question is what. ” With that phrase, it is clear that the end rate is still not settled, so we simply have to wait and see.
chris g says: I exchanged all my large notes at chase bank this morning. I took a 3.1 million dollar loss for converting my large dongs to smaller denominations. I feel comfort now because I also learned I will have a pretty easy exchange being the only person that buys dong at my local branch.
Martin says: Hello all I agree that it is a wait and see type of thing as regards the 500k Dong, I’m not saying that I am not perplexed about it but logic would say that the 500k still could be in the pot but the price would reflect that and the Dong as a whole would come in a whole lot lower to compensate.
Of course this is speculation at this point and I am too eager to find out for sure the real answer to this question. One thing that I know for sure is that I am always at the wrong end of the stick. You too?
Well I guess I am not alone. Unfortunately things do not work out the way we would like them to. Regards Martin
sitkaevenstar says: what is sad that somebody dreams up to conspire a story about banks not excepting 500k notes then people run with it . all the dong i have purchased is verified through a del a rue machine . sit back relax let this play out who nows what is going to happen
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hi, Nobody has said they are 100% not going to be accepted. If such is 100% verified, we will be told in such language that makes it unmistakable. So far, I do not see such.
We have been given information from the front lines that there may be an issue with them because of Chinese interests, but that was not given as a sure thing at this time. I see no – NO – official release that the 500K dong notes are “worthless” or are going to be considered such. That being said, be prepared.
Remember, gurus are not going to release information that makes them look badly. We give you it all here, no censoring or attempts to conceal. No venture or speculation has a 100% golden shine. Speculation in any market has its bad elements and risks, and currencies are especially such a fit in that regard.
Once again, prepare for anything. It is quite clear that planning and negotiating are still ongoing. We won’t know the full picture until it comes pouring out onto the world’s stage. That has not happened yet.
jamesdarren says: sitkaevenstar…. that is good advice…. to sit back and relax and wait to see how it plays out…but, since these new topics came up I did some calling….
I have 500k Dong notes and I cannot exchange them here or from where I bought them from for smaller notes… I called Chase in my area and they also told me that if in the future I wish to exchange Dong for USD the max is 5k… I now understand the group thing that ive seen in dinar land, as in, the generals group and such…. I sit in limbo….
chris g says Sell the dong to chase and buy more dong. Just be specific that you want small denominations
XCE says: Why would there be a limit on the max amount you can exchange?
mike says: Just exchanged 450 dollars for dongs. Needless to say the two banks I used gave me very large bills in dongs Very few less than 2000 denominations
Am I screwed as far as getting the full amount when I exchange?
whitehatauxiliaries says: Hello, First, we do not even know what the “full amount” is going to be. I doubt anyone can tell you that right now.
If you have any concerns about what denominations you have in your hand, then please adjust accordingly. WHA is NOT here to give advice on currency speculation.
We are here to bring forth any information we can from the front lines regarding it, and all decisions on what to hold, what to do, etc., are with each individual.
I have taken my positions, based on my risk tolerance, and will wait it out until the matter is concluded. That is all I can do. That is all anyone can do.
Until the matter is concluded, we will continue to bring forth whatever information we can so you all can be as updated as possible from the front lines.
But, we cannot render advice on personal financial decisions. We never have, and never will.
jamesdarren says: chris g, have to have an account with Chase here to do anything at all…. also I am in the mountains- small town… they send off to verify currency… and since they will not exceed 5k total for exchange its not worth all the hassle at this point… just gonna sit tight for a few and see what pans out… thanks chris… best to us all!
sitkaevenstar says: ill get my depends ready when we get word of an R.V.until then its all talk chase will exchange foreign currency at the going rate .being a cmkx share holder you become seasoned to loose talk . thanks tony