(A Few Lines of this chat was brought over from OOM to complete and compliment the discussion about water rights)
4:06 PM [dinardr] I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THERE IS MUCH ABOUT THIS RV THAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND.. AND I WOULD RATHER BE SILENT AND WAIT THEN RISK DELAY..
I KNOW OUR LEADERS HERE DO NOT FALL FOR SILLY THINGS SO IF THEY DEEM IT OF VALUE TO REMAIN SILENT ..I RESPECT THAT AND SO SHOULD WE ALL !! SO LET'S ENJOY EACH OTHER WHILE WE WAIT !
4:11 PM [blueblaze1962] dinardr I agree better safe then sorry,,,,nothing wrong with silence....the old saying "Slience is golden..so shut up and get rich"....that's what my mom used to say when all 5 of us kids were driving her nuts...LOL
4:11 PM [daniandquin] dinardr this is one of those times that the instant response in my head is "Don't call me Sir! I work for a living!!"
[14:29:47] rumkuuk: just everyone remember, thought it might not be as important to some, if you are buying acreage, Please Check For Water Rights (hope that shows importantce withought caps) if you have no water rights, you have dirt, you have to ask about water rights, the biggest plots, sometimes are in areas that water rights are something that people kill over. so save yourself the headache and ask about them when you buy
14:30:32] madge to rumkuuk: do water rights fall in with Mineral rights?
[14:30:41] rumkuuk: no they are seperate
[14:31:08] rumkuuk: if you do not have water rights, you cant water your lawn or drill a well, something city life does not prepare you for.
[14:32:02] rumkuuk: water rights basicly give you rights to access the aquafur (however you spell it) or access to the ditch water or canal water, without it.. you have nothing
4:13 PM [top_gun] rumkuuk thanks for the info. I have planned on buying acreage, but was not aware of water rights. only mineral rights.
4:15 PM [daniandquin] top_gun Water rights are very important- we're looking at acreage as well but on those with water rights.
4:15 PM [rumkuuk] out west where there are huge plots of land, that is where "city folk" get taken to the cleaners the most, as most think they are included in the mineral rights.
4:16 PM [top_gun] rumkuuk daniandquin is it pretty common to not have water rights included? Is it mostly out west? What about Texas?
4:16 PM [blueblaze1962] daniandquin MMM never thought about that..I thought about mineral rights and most the time in TX they don't like to sell the mineral rights...
4:17 PM [top_gun] blueblaze1962 I haven't heard of anyone in Texas getting mineral rights with property purchased.
4:18 PM [daniandquin] rumkuuk - now see- I never thought of mineral rights. That's defiinitley something I have to look into.
4:18 PM [rumkuuk] it is different based on the amount of water availible, and also understand that the age of the water right matters too, those with older water rights get it first in case of drought, ask a realitor about the lands water rights, such as how much water, age of the rights, and they can help answer you
4:18 PM [daniandquin] laws are different in canada... definitely somethign I will look into very deeply very soon!
4:18 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun are you going to be moving to Texas
4:18 PM [top_gun] rumkuuk I know that water is becoming a Very valuable commodity
4:19 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN I'm already here! born and raised.
4:19 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun oh ok! I was going to warn you about water rights on acreage here!
4:19 PM [daniandquin] top_gun oh yes! and if you have enough land and plannign on growing crops, if you can find land on a year round river WITH water rights, you'll save a bundle!
4:19 PM [mttomb] top_gun mineral rights are always passsed on the buyer when property is purchased unless excluded in writing.
4:20 PM [daniandquin] Isn't it awesome how much we learn from each other in this great chat room!!!!!
4:20 PM [rumkuuk] in idaho you have to actually have mining rights, to have access to the minerals from what i understand, so you should ask about both, the land i want has both, and if you dont care about mining, you dont care much about mineral rights, but you cant live without water. each state/ area is different
4:21 PM [JLARSEN] water rights don't normally include being able to drill a water well though.
4:22 PM [rumkuuk] i know that in the deserts of arco and mackey idaho, if you have no water rights you can not drill a well
4:23 PM [JLARSEN] rumkuuk you are right... it's very important for people to know all of this if they are buying acreage! And to have the contract contingent upon a water test and perk test.
4:24 PM [top_gun] mttomb most of the time in Texas the minerals are owned by a third and the contract excludes them. Due to frac drilling in Texas this has become a big problem. the Haynesville and Barnett Shale has caused big fights and made people very! rich.
4:24 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun and in a lot of places ruined the water!
:24 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN yes. forgot about that.
4:26 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun I worked on a very high profile case regarding water that burned because of its high content of gas.
4:26 PM [blueblaze1962] dinardr I just remembered something else I plan on doing after the RV on the new properties, I'm going to install Solar Panels and a Back Up Generator for each property...Just like to plan ahead and save where ever possible...looking forward to growing my own food...YUMMY
4:27 PM [dinardr] blueblaze1962 I really want to find great places to get all organic foods.. the house we are going doesn't have the land to .. but I want all organic.. meats and all
4:28 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun yeah... it was freaky.... people could turn on their faucets and ignite the water coming out!
4:28 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN ok. I did hear about that now that you say that. I'm originally from East Texas and know people that were involved in that.
4:28 PM [blueblaze1962] dinardr yep that's why hubby and I are buying homes w/acreage want my own livestock, cattle, pig, chickens and fruits and veges..
4:29 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN not necessarily a case, but that had problems.
4:30 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun this was in north central tx
4:30 PM [nero] my wife and I have some farm land that has never seen chemicles and is already growing organic crops
4:30 PM [blueblaze1962] dinardr well once we get established who knows maybe I can help...planning on living in East Texas
4:30 PM [dinardr] nero That is awesome.. I have found it really matters
4:30 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN ok. I'll have to do some research. Very interesting.
4:30 PM [JLARSEN] Wow! Sounds like there is going to be an influx of people into Texas post RV!
4:31 PM [nero] I have friends in florida but I don't know too much about the land there
4:31 PM [blueblaze1962] JLARSEN already living here in TX...just moved here last Aug
4:31 PM [nero] we are in the mid west
4:31 PM [Dinarblessed] dinardr nero Right with you on the organics.....
4:31 PM [dinardr] JLARSEN I do know that tax issue there is quite inviting
4:32 PM [nero] amazing how much just raw milk can do for your health
4:32 PM [JLARSEN] nero born and raised in the midwest..... best farmland and soil!!
4:32 PM [dinardr] Dinarblessed I never used to think it mattered much until this last year !! Boy was I wrong
4:32 PM [JLARSEN] top_gun give our Govenor a chance and he'd do that!
4:32 PM [nero] Jlarson beautiful here I just moved from Washington state last year
4:32 PM [GrannieAnnie] JLARSEN Does that mean that I need to move to Texas as well to be near you all?
4:32 PM [top_gun] GrannieAnnie come on! The more the merrier!!!
4:33 PM [top_gun] JLARSEN in a heartbeat!!!
4:33 PM [JLARSEN] GrannieAnnie well..... maybe not me... I'm thinking about moving out.... at least partime!
4:33 PM [pulaski] nero It is amazing, used to have our own milk cow Jersy/hereford cross, and how it is now almost treated like it is poison in the media and one of the worst things on the planet for your health
4:35 PM [JLARSEN] GrannieAnnie If I stay here.... my house will have a safe room.... we don't have basements here... we're in tornado alley like you probably are.