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BobS: BAGHDAD,— The Islamic State group still hold three significant towns in Iraq. But the fight to get the extremist group out of there will be way more complicated than anything that came before.
The Iraqi government declared victory against the extremist Islamic State group in Mosul recently and this was cause for major celebration among Iraqis. However the extremists are far from eradicated in Iraq.
Several strongholds remain. But the battle to push the Islamic State, or IS, group out of these places will be more complicated than previous, straight forward fights have been in places like Fallujah and Tikrit.The stalemate between Turkey and Iran in this area poses a serious political challenge for the Iraqi government.
Today the extremists control three towns: Tal Afar, west of Mosul, Hawija, south of Kirkuk, and Al Qaim, west of Anbar. Each fight has its own complicated set of considerations, from political questions to military ones, as well as, in some cases, dangerous foreign policy ramifications.
BobS: When the Iraqi military began the fight to push the IS group out of Mosul in October last year, there was a deliberate plan to exclude the Shiite Muslim militias from the campaign. This is because the city of Mosul had a Sunni majority population and there were fears that involving the Shiite Muslim militias, who began as a volunteer force fighting the IS group, would eventually cause problems with Mosul locals, possibly even to the extent that the local population would not support the military.
The Shiite Muslim militias in the area then began to move toward the town of Tal Afar, another IS stronghold. The militias fought in the suburbs around Tal Afar but were warned off entering the town by one of Iraq’s neighbours, Turkey.
The Turkish said they were worried that the militias would take revenge on Turkmen living in the town – there were both Sunni Muslim and Shiite Muslim Turkmen living in Tal Afar before the security crisis and the Sunni Muslim Turkmen who remained, and who would have been at the militias’ mercy, were considered by many to be supporters of the IS group.
There are still Turkish troops in Camp Zilkan east of Bashiqua. Despite protestations from both local and federal officials, the Turkish military have remained there, which means that the threat of them acting against the Shiite Muslim militias also remains. And there are ongoing concerns that the Turkish might try and join in the fighting for Tal Afar.
BobS: On July 19, some of the most senior leaders of several of the Shiite Muslim militias – Hadi al-Amiri, head of the Badr organization, Qais al-Khazali, head of the League of the Righteous militia and Abu Mahdi al-Mohandes of Hezbollah in Iraq – met to discuss the matter. The three groups, known for having closer ties to Iran than to the Iraqi government, decided that they did wish to participate in this fight.
The apparent stalemate between Turkey and Iran in this area poses a serious political challenge for the Iraqi government. Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi will need to find a diplomatic solution to resolve an international conflict that could throw the fight against the IS group off course.
“The battle for Tal Afar will be difficult because it is a political fight as well as a military one,” Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish MP, told NIQASH. “Really all parties should be focusing on a common enemy, the IS group.”
BobS: One of the suggested solutions would involve different Shiite Muslim militias coming to fight in Tal Afar. These more moderate militias, including the Abu Fadhl al-Abbas Brigade – often referred to simply as the Abbas Brigades – are known to be more loyal to the Iraqi government rather than Iran. The Abbas Brigades also helped support the Iraqi army’s ninth division in the fight for Mosul.
One of the fighters with the Abbas Brigades, Kathim al-Daraji, says this seems likely. More than 3,000 reservists have been called up and it is likely they will be fighting alongside the Iraqi army in the fight for Tal Afar, he suggests. In the south of Kirkuk province, the town of Hawija has been dominated by the IS group for the past three years.
As yet there have been no military operations launched to push the IS group out of Hawija, due in large part to the complicated political problems in this area between the Iraqi Kurdish authorities, the Shiite Muslim militias and the Sunni Muslim community.
Shiite Muslim factions are insisting on taking part in this battle because they wish to protect the Shiite Muslim locals living in villages around Hawija. However the Iraqi Kurdish military have fears that if the Shiite Muslim fighters do take part here, they will also try and stay in the area.
Kirkuk is what is known as a disputed territory – that is, the Iraqi Kurdish believe it should be part of their nearby semi-autonomous region but Iraqi Arabs believe it is part of Iraq proper. If the Shiite Muslim Arabs stay in the area afterwards, this dilutes the Kurdish claim on the area.
BobS: The unhappy relationship between Baghdad and the leaders of the Iraqi Kurdish region at the moment is also an issue. This has been exacerbated by the Kurds’ intention to hold a referendum on their region’s potential independence from the rest of Iraq.
Baghdad has already announced its strong opposition to the idea. And there is also another problem:
The Sunni Muslim tribal leaders in this area are mostly worried that if the Iraqi Kurdish military or the Shiite Muslim militias take part in the battle, then there will unlawful acts of revenge taken on their people here. “Before the liberation of Hawija, Erbil and Baghdad need to enter into negotiations,” says Khader al-Obaidi, one of the tribal leaders from Hawija, who now lives in the Iraqi Kurdish region.
“If they do not come to some arrangement beforehand then Hawija will be under the IS’ control for a long time to come.” In fact, the government should form new fighting forces out of all of the hundreds of men who have left the northern and central parts of Iraq, who want to fight the IS group, al-Obaidi proposes.
It is highly likely that the fight to expel the IS group from Al Qaim is a long way down the list of battles to come. Tal Afar and Hawija are more likely to happen first. This is because Al Qaim is located on an international border, between Iraq and Syria. Given the geography, Al Qaim is by far the most secure city for the IS group.
BobS: Basically the location of the city means that it would require both countries to coordinate in a campaign against the IS group. The Syrian government is not able to do this at the moment and the Iraqi forces are not ready for this fight either, according to Ibrahim al-Jumaili, a senior officer retired from the Iraqi army. In February this year the Iraqi government announced that it would start aerial bombing of the area around Al Qaim, in coordination with the Syrian government.
However after just a few days the raids stopped, and no explanation was given. “The most difficult fighting is that taking place on the border and in the large desert areas,” explains al-Jumaili, who served in Iraq’s ground forces during the Iran-Iraq war.
“If the Iraqi army pushes the IS fighters out of Al Qaim, they will just go to Abu Kamal [the Syrian town on the other side of the border]. But then they will just come back into Iraq when they want to, because there are no Syrian troops there to stop them,” al-Jumaili argues. There is also the difficult political situation in Syria to consider, with various actors, including the US and Russia, engaged in their own level of conflict.
“The longer it takes to settle the Syrian problem, the longer it will take to liberate Al Qaim and the Iraqi-Syrian border area,” al-Jumaili argues. End
txbrand: Scaramucci ALREADY REPORTED Reince Priebus to FBI For Leaking His Financial Disclosure! :h5
BobS: txbrand...it is called the FIOA....anyone can get his financials.
BobS: BEIRUT,— An Iraqi army division trained by the United States government allegedly executed several dozen prisoners in Mosul’s Old City, Human Rights Watch said today. Two international observers detailed the summary killings of four people by the Iraqi army’s 16th Division in mid-July 2017, and saw evidence that the unit had executed many more people, including a boy.
The US government should suspend all assistance and support to the 16th Division pending Iraq’s full investigation of the allegations and appropriate prosecutions, Human Rights Watch said.
Under the “Leahy Law,” the US is prohibited from providing military assistance to any unit of foreign security forces if there is credible evidence that the unit has committed gross violations of human rights and no “effective measures” are being taken to bring those responsible to justice.
“The US government should make sure it is no longer providing assistance to the Iraqi unit responsible for this spate of executions but also suspend any plans for future assistance until these atrocities have been properly investigated,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.
“Given the widespread abuses by Iraqi forces and the government’s abysmal record on accountability, the US should take a hard look at its involvement with Iraqi forces.”
BobS: Two international observers independently told Human Rights Watch that on a day in mid-July at about 10 a.m. in Mosul’s Old City, they saw a group of Iraqi soldiers who identified themselves as members of the 16th Division lead four naked men down an alleyway, after which they heard multiple gunshots.
The observers said other soldiers standing in the street told them that the four men were Islamic State (also known as ISIS) fighters.
The observers said that they had been in the area throughout the morning and witnessed no fighting or gunfire in the area. One said they saw the soldiers beat the four men with their rifle butts before leading them away.
They said they photographed the incident but a commander later took their camera and deleted the pictures, then ushered them into a nearby building. While they were inside, they heard gunshots. An officer then came in and told the observer to leave the area.
One of the observers said that as they were leaving the area, they saw through the doorway of a damaged house about 20 meters down the street the bodies of a number of naked men lying in the doorway. They said one of the dead men was lying with his hands behind his back and appeared to have been handcuffed, and there was a rope around his legs.
The observer returned the next day and photographed three naked bodies and a mattress that appeared to cover additional bodies that they had seen the previous day, and shared the photo with Human Rights Watch.
BobS: The observer said the damaged building was adjacent to a building used by the 16th Division as a base in the area. Both observers said that the only Iraqi armed forces they saw while they were in the area were from the 16th Division.
BobS: Sulaimani: The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) announced on Thursday that the Kurdistan Region’s parliament has to be reactivated by August 10 and time should no longer be “wasted.”, pro-KDP Rudaw media reported.
Following a PUK politburo meeting supervised by Kosrat Rasul Ali, the party’s deputy, it was emphasized that “the PUK admires, with the efforts of all parties and suitable political preparations, that the Kurdistan parliament be normalized before August 10 and no more time be wasted.”
The PUK also stressed holding a wide-range meeting between all political parties who “together decided to hold referendum” to discuss the process’s efforts and reactions to it “in the region, world and inside Kurdistan.” Massoud Barzani has closed the Kurdish parliament in October 2015 after his term expired but refused to step down and remains unofficially in office. rudaw.net
BobS: Baghdad: Delegation of the European Union to Iraq said a planned referendum on independence of Kurdistan by the Kurdish leaders “runs counter to the constructive dialogue” between Iraq and the Kurdistan Region.
EU delegation to Iraq released a statement on Tuesday urging the government of Iraq and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) to carry forward the excellent cooperation achieved in the military campaign to resolve all issues between both sides including disputed internal boundaries through a peaceful and constructive dialogue. “Constructive engagement between the Federal Government and the Kurdistan Regional Government is in the best interests of both,” the statement read.
The EU delegation to Iraq further said the pursuit of political solutions is a “shared responsibility” of the Iraqi government and the KRG. nrttv.com
Doug_W: @BobS thanks 4 ur contributions here
BlackGold: Oh here we go again, the 16th Division executed some people and now we are going to spend millons investigating a country that is none of our business. Don't we have enough problems with our own Government
BlackGold: We are not the world police
Cree: @BlackGold if this did not slow us up, history says something else would have....
RickeyT: I just love coming in to a positine environment
Cree: @RickeyT I think after all these years, some of us are a little jaded..... Can't imagine how some of us will feel if this goes on for 5 more years....
Cree: @Doug_W thanks I didn't see that one......
Brow: Word is-No RV until sometime after the End of Sept.
Cree: @Brow why?
Brow: @Cree - I read it on the Fake New Site Nesara today
Cree: @Brow Well as long as we agree that it is fake news..... :h5
D-head_BGG: @clay he probably didn't even see the name, and just what he posted lol
Doug_W: no clue and none of my business
Cree: So comes the day the RV happens, what is the first thing you plan to do? For me it is to go out for a nice Chinese dinner. What will you do?
Doug_W: <<Big joke
clay: @Cree lobster steak loaded baked potato
Doug_W: call the guy in NY that is holding our small lake cottage
clay: @Cree plenty of melted butter
Cree: so we now covered the first (POST RV) Dinner, cool. Next lets play GUESS A RATE. What do you think the Rate will be post RV. This is a guess so feel free to be right or wrong.... Just killing time.....
Cree: and why.... This should be interesting and we can all get new ideas.....
Cree: OK, I'll go first. I have no idea, but I would like a rate to come out at say $.85-$1.00 for a few weeks and then float higher..... I hear that there will be a float or no float, but depending on what the Dinar is tied to as that currency floats so will the Dinar..... I would love to see a rate eventually mirroring Kuwait...... But will look to also see what Congress is doing with tax reform.....
Cree: At $.85 to $1.00 I would liquidate - exchange a little but then wait a bit.....
Doug_W: at anything near a Dollar I am OUT
Cree: @Doug_W That would give you a nice profit....
Cree: @Doug_W cool.
Cree: @Doug_W any other thoughts?
Cree: oop's any other thoughts?
Doug_W: get debt free and live a simple life and travel in a nice MH
Doug_W: there is a company called "Showhauler" make a nice diesel MH
Cree: I learned a long time ago that debt is not good but credit is good. I pay all debt off each month..... I use credit to increase my credit rating.....
Cree: @Doug_W what does MD mean?
Doug_W: here is an example of one
Doug_W: MH is a motor home
Doug_W: its time to eat now
Cree: @Doug_W cool. I have a number of friend who have MH..... they love them.
Cree: So everyone else here is not going to exchange and just hold your Dinar and Dong and......
Cree: I plan to initially buy nothing.... I plan initially to exchange maybe a million dinar or less and then plan I plan to put aside the max any tax might be... this should take a few months... Then maybe take a vacation...... and doing anything slowly. But again, I am not in debt and at the end of each month now owe nothing so I have the time to plan....
clay: @Cree depending what it comes out at
clay: @Cree if 3 I'm all out if 1 then maybe a mil and hold
clay: @Cree vacation 1st after setting up a corp
clay: @Cree relax and plan from there
clay: @Spectra what is
clay: @txbrand 3.5 mil in dinar not good for us
txbrand: @clay sure not
clay: @txbrand lets hope they change the value and amount to take out
txbrand: @clay not looking good
txbrand: @clay i am hoping the are trying to draw in the 3 zeros over there
txbrand: @clay they have been trying to get them to get bank accounts... now they are almost forcing them to by making them get their wages from a card
txbrand: @clay hope that's it
Cree: I have thoughts but no idea what will happen. We are all just along for the ride...
Romello: Master Card Features : 1- Validity: 3 years renewable.
2- Currency: Iraqi dinars and withdrawal outside Iraq will be in the currency of that country.
3- Usage: Holder of the card can make online purchases or direct purchases inside and outside Iraq.
4- Cash Withdrawal: Maximum cash withdrawal from ATM is 3,500,000 Iraqi Dinar per day. Maximum withdrawal per transaction is 750,000 Iraqi Dinars.
5- Master card holders can get supplementary cards issued.
Romello: Fees and commissions :- 1. Master card issuance price 50,000 IQD + 25,000 IQD per year for SMS services (Optional)
2. Security Deposits amount 100,000 IQD is non refundable during the validity of the card.
3. No additional fees will be levied for online shopping or point of sale purchases.
Romello: Rasheed Bank opens a banking office at Baghdad International Airport By rami - July 27, 2017 Rasheed Khudair Wahid, Director General of Rasheed Bank, opened a banking office in the departure hall of Baghdad International Airport
The Rasheed Bank said in a press statement that “the general manager of Rashid Bank Rashad Khudair, opened a banking office in the departure hall Babel at Baghdad International Airport where he will provide services to travelers, which include the sale of the dollar at the official price and purchase at market price
He added that the office will also receive the personal safety of passengers and a transfer from the General Authority of Customs noting that the bank has a branch within the airport, which conducts all banking, including the opening of accounts of all kinds
RickeyT: @Romello tman thinks that his is bogus
Romello: Parliamentary finance: projects lagging need 3 trillion dinars to be completed 2 hours ago Economy The parliamentary finance committee, announced on Thursday, the allocation of funds for projects stalled within the federal budget
Romello: The number of projects stalled in Iraq about 30 thousand projects, and when reinstatement will create jobs by 30 percent, according to economic experts
Romello: @RickeyT I think somethink about their own country currency is worthless or not exchangeable. Does make you wonder.
Romello: @RickeyT Humm he might be on to something there.
Romello: @LoverOfHumanity Like you said 3 Trillion is still a lot no matter how you look at it. lol
Romello: Parliamentary finance: projects lagging need 3 trillion dinars to be completed 2 hours ago Economy The parliamentary finance committee, announced on Thursday, the allocation of funds for projects stalled within the federal budget
The committee member, MP Haitham al-Jubouri, said that the Ministry of Planning divided the projects stalled and stalled to the totals of each according to its importance for reconstruction of the new noting that the Committee allocated funds within the budget modified projects suspended and gave importance to the sectors of health and education
Romello: He added that the projects stalled need 3 trillion dinars for rehabilitation but the budget included funds ranging from 200 to 300 billion dinars, which will be spent for projects that have priority and service to citizens The number of projects stalled in Iraq about 30 thousand projects, and when reinstatement will create jobs by 30 percent, according to economic experts
RVThereYet: Official statistics revealed the existence of 67 thousand university graduates unemployed in the Kurdistan region. "67,000 university graduates and institutes are unemployed, including 26,000 young people and 41,000 young women," said Mohamed Haoudiani, minister of labor and social affairs in the region.
He pointed out that "14 thousand people lost their jobs because of the financial crisis in the Kurdistan region.
" The exhibition, "Rawanke Opportunities", kicked off Wednesday at the exhibition hall at the Sami Abdulrahman Park in Erbil, with the participation of 100 local and international companies and organizations, and will continue for two days to provide hundreds of opportunities for the unemployed.
The exhibition included training courses for young participants on how to write their CVs and demonstrate their skills and abilities to get a job.
At the first edition of the fair held last year, 400 people were to be created, but the need for labor helped create 1,000 jobs among the 6,000 people who participated. The jobs offered at the fair range from $ 500 to $ 2,000. "
RVThereYet: Any news on the Zim yet? I bought 3k worth last year.
Romello: @RVThereYet Hmm.?
RVThereYet: Sorry, I'm new to this. Frank said the Zim was hot.
Romello: @RVThereYet Nothing good that I have heard.
chattels: good evening all
mod: @chattels Hello!
Romello: @chattels Any interesting articles?
Romello: @RVThereYet I think he needs to unload his inventory because it is worthless at the moment. I don't how to break it to you...
chattels: With no reconciliation, victories over ISIS are diminished, says UN
chattels: @Spectra The UN article is emphasizing the need for reconciliation to minimize civil unrest
Spectra: @chattels and how much longer do you think do they have a timeline?
chattels: @Spectra For reconciliation ?
Spectra: @chattels yes
Romello: The election of new experts in the appeal against some budget items .. and the response of 3 constitutional cases 2017-07-27 at 13:36 (Baghdad time) Baghdad Mawazine News The Supreme Federal Court elected five new experts to submit a technical report in the appeal against some articles of the General Budget Law for the current year while three constitutional claims were returned because there is no constitutional basis for them
Romello: A statement issued by the Information Office of the Court received / Mawazine News / a copy of it, The Court held its meeting today and considered a lawsuit related to challenge the Prime Minister / in addition to his job constitutionally (23) article of the Federal Budget Law for the current year
The statement added that the parties to the case asked the court to elect five experts, and may agree on the names put forward by the court in today's session
He pointed out that the court elected five indigenous experts and two reserves, and decided to invite them for the purpose of tasking them to prepare a report containing the technical aspects of the subject of appeal
The statement said that questions will be directed by the court to the experts related to a statement that the House of Representatives on the draft federal budget law for the year 2017 submitted by the government of transfers between the doors or chapters or the amendment of the amounts of some of its articles or the addition of new materials and amounts did not exist in the government project
chattels: @Spectra Planning and process is being done, I think, but it will likely involve several conferences and ultimately reconciliation must be reflected in the governance of Iraq.
Spectra: @chattels well i certainly want that then!
chattels: @Spectra " ........... a national dialogue, that there is inclusive governance, that everyone who lives in Iraq feels that there is a government in place that cares about them and looks after them. "
Romello: The court asked whether these "variables have added new financial burdens phenomenon or not, but will appear when the implementation of the budget items He explained that the experts will be charged with preparing a report containing an answer to those variables in the subject of the appeal, and whether some changes came as recommendations that the government can overcome and implemented through budgets for the coming years?
The statement also pointed out that the court also wondered whether the amended budget approved by the House of Representatives during this week includes what intersects or affects the objections to the unconstitutionality and what is required to show the experience in any transfer or amendment or addition was the subject of the challenge plaintiff in addition to his job in Suit
Spectra: @chattels true one that is all inclusive correct?
chattels: @Spectra There is a desparate need for funding.
Romello: Sorry for the long article...
Spectra: @chattels Hmm ! Funding then comes from where?
chattels: @Spectra Iraq is fairly dependent upon the kindness and generosity of other nations at this point.
Romello: He pointed out that the court also inquired about the amounts resulting from these variables and whether it would increase the ceiling of the total amounts of the federal budget for the year 2017, the ceiling contained in the government project before the variables of the House of Representatives, and what the amount of this increase
The statement added that the court listened to the comments of the parties to the case regarding the questions and has taken them and decided to postpone the case until next Monday, 31/7/2017 for the purpose of inviting experts and formally assigned to their task after the swearing-in and give them the period deemed appropriate by the experts to submit their report
chattels: National reconciliation in Iraq remains elusive The latest statement on the “national reconciliation” in Iraq was made by Vice President Iyad Allawi on March 2, 2015, in which he noted, “A true reconciliation should include all parties except for the ones who have Iraqi blood on their hands.”
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/03/iraq-national-reconciliation-innocent-islamic-state.html#ixzz4o4tE0gFR
chattels: Since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, the national reconciliation project has been subject to several interpretations, as the separation between the innocent and “those who have Iraqi blood on their hands” is still ambiguous.
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