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DinarTattoo said (Post #116): The rate is back up on the CBI anyone care to comment why it's back up without a real rate
Frank26: Dinar Tattoo, LOL ............... Because KTFA Squealed on them ....... But better answer is because The CBI and IMF are meeting and moving.
DinarTattoo said (Post #142): I'm OK with the September date hurry up and wait but what happened to the MOOKLA?? I guess that's definitely out of the picture
Frank26: Dinar Tattoo, As i said with a squinted eye on CC last night .............. There is always ONE. WATCH DAYS are not RV DATES !!! !!! !!! .................. !!! !!! !!! Ty You Kindly.
jmslxngtn said (Post #151): IMO this a very bad sign for a RV in 2017. If you recall, a few weeks ago when Delta was on our CC...he and Frank were discussing all the areas of missing rates from the CBI website. To paraphrase, it was said that if the rates suddenly came up on the CBI site and they were the original program rates..."We are in trouble".
Frank26: jmslxngtn, Yes ............. But with fairness .............. We did not know a MEETING between THE CBI and THE IMF would be in process when this would occur.
These are DIFFERENT FACTORS to us as a STUDY. Join us in this path ....... Or stay on Yours ...... But kindly allow LOGIC to guide You. Aloha \m/
Surfer223 said (Post #190): The truth be told, I know there is alot of positive things going on. Something must have happened to now or in that IMF meeting they had a day ago where they are postponing this thing!! Its only logical to think this with them putting back the old rates.
Im sad to say I think this goes into next year. The MOOKLA is just about over. Technically it means the first of the first if I recall. But let just say first quarter of 2017 puts us at the end of March. If nothing by then I think we wait till next year, it truly breaks my heart and angers me deeply.
We all can remain optimistic but deep down it truly hurts to think its gonna be awhile. This is a speculative investment. Makes no sense for them to put the old rates up after being down so long. Would be interesting to hear Delta's TRUE opinion on the matter.000049medium_gif
Greenclan: Surfer.........I feel the exact way. I have to remind myself
1-this is speculative
2-nobody outside of the IMF-CBI-UST knows date or rate
3-the study has shown us that they are ready and need to do this but - IMO - it appears that the momentum of mosul has slowed and the business and loans keep coming in. Have they received any monies?
I know that them receiving $1b is a small amount to keep a country running but that should be the TOOL that gets them off their behind. It appears they are awaiting something that we do not see, such as blockchain worldwide, or...........
I find it curious that i emailed last week the Iraq Chamber of Commerce and Industry to inquire regarding seeking opportunities to build houses and apartments. Usually any Chamber gets back to you the same DAY.
Not Iraq (in wa d.c.). I just resent the email today and await their response.
This is an unknown day and time that the study did not even predict from what i am concluding.
I am of the same feelings as you surfer223, but still pray and hope.
After the April "watch date" i am done with this for awhile.
Its starting to feel too much like an addiction..... a need.
Therefore it is becoming dangerous to hang all hopes and dreamson this stated "speculative investment". IMO Some day and some time - all logic points that it MUST HAPPEN. GOD BLESS
Frank and Teams for their tireless efforts and love. For we all send it back your way daily.
ALL IMO..... greenclan
JAY: IMO. THE rates were takin down because MOSUL WAAAS DONE ENOUGH. TRUMP said nonono. GIVE ME FULL COMPLETION.
So the indicative rates were left off AND OR FORGOTTEN about. IMF meetings started. IMG saw that they were not posted for 65 days and said NONONO. YOU HAVE TO POST THE RATES. IT ILLEGAL NOT TO HAVE THEM POSTED FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS.
So now we see the PR rates posted because there is no NEW rate. Its comming. The indicative rate showing a PR is meaningless to me right now because its about to pop. Imo.
Righteous One: I concur Jay. At this juncture, too much is on the line to turn back now. They're currently lining up the ducks. Some folks are just too thin skinned or fragile for this investment.
Life is a continuum of facets. Don't let yourself get so consumed by one facet that you miss the beauty of the others. Just one one to grow on
the.professor.is.in: Well...no one gave me a "penny for my thoughts" but I'll throw them out there in case it helps even one that is wavering in confidence:
1. If I were a betting man (and I am), if I were to bet on whether this thing pops closer to today or to September 3rd, I'd pick closer to today every single time;
2. This is a fluid situation, even more fluid than the "lava flow" our hosts here suggests (love that analogy btw). Things change, and so do the strategies to reach the same outcome. Imagine a triple option play in football--as the situation changes, the man with the ball has three options to use, all according to the situation at the moment;
3. There are individual mandates, regulations and laws that have to be followed, but there is no one 'rule book' that exists to achieve their final objective.
I put a handful of friends into this because I 'won the bet' once. My suggestion to them was to put it in an envelope, tuck it away in a safe place and 'fuggetabatit', I'll call them when it happens. I hope some of this helps even one. Me ka aloha Prof
Walkingstick said (Post #259): BR.... Researcher: Iraq is about to liberate Mosul, yet Maliki is still free
March 09 2017 03:44 PM As ISIS leaders are escaping the fight in Mosul, Tikrit, Anbar, and Fallujah, writer and political researcher Mujahed al-Taee noted that the leader of State of Law Coalition and Nouri al-Maliki has not been brought to justice over the crimes he committed during his post as prime minister of Iraq.
Al-Taee said on Twitter that even though ISIS leader have escaped from Mosul, Tikrit, and Fallujah, Nouri al-Maliki is still free and hasn not been presented to trial over his crimes.
Maliki is blamed for surrendering Mosul city to ISIS along with various corruption charges of his government which squandered millions of dollars of the Iraqi wealth. He is also accused of being a submissive to Iran and its militias' schemes in Iraq.
Aggiedad77: Perhaps me thinks this could be the beginning of the end.....the scales of justice about to be dropped on M's head....he goes throughout Iraq and Iran discovering that he is no longer wanted, needed, or cared about....yet he wants to be top dog again....why.....
can be one reason and one reason only in my mind....GREED.....the Iraqi people are not so stupid to let that happen again....
it appears the only ones truly behind him are those who have gained from their graft along with him during his reign as dictator....no I don't believe that Iraq will suffer under his foul efforts again....let the courts find the justice that is necessary....in due time.....his day will come....IMO. Aloha Randy
don961: Doesn't Maliki have major health issues ?? Thought there were articles saying he gets treatments on a weekly basis ... from last year already
Moneytalks1: Dear Family,No need to worry about anything. I had a very open conversation with Frank this morning about the ups and downs in this speculative investment. What I mainly found out that Frank is as human as you and I. He does get frustrated and angry.
He keeps it in check very well but sometimes it seeps through the cracks and manifested today in form of "some four letter unrepeatable words". Sometimes the devil comes out in all of us. Not only has the study of this investment being very grueling for Frank but very frustrating.
His sentiment reflects the way everyone else is feeling. I am not trying to defend Frank, but please give him some slack. If you spoke to him today, i think everyone would quickly realize that no one wants this investment to come to fruition ASAP more than Frank 26.
Many Family members today were disheartened to see the indicative rates back on the English side of the CBI website-because it was the old program rate. Delta did right a letter to the IMF wondering why the indicative rated are still blank. Isn't that illegal for so long to have them blank? And there is the timing of the IMF meeting with the CBI.
Frank and his Teams didn't expect them to do this while they are having their meetings. I mean it didn't show up since jan.4,17. What's up? family, something is happening and we will find out very soon. Frank doesn't think the meetings will go on for 14 days (see Frosty's notes).
All the answers we seek are coming probably this month. I, for one, am very tired of waiting. I would like to see some return-on investment. Sometimes when you can't see something happening and you are confused and down, well-believe or not-you ARE going to wake up one morning SOON with delight. Keep the faith.
Stephen: Not worried about the rates back on CBI. Think about it....there was a reason for the rates to disappear in the first place and there was a reason for some of the rates to reappear. This is unseen activity caused by some decision somewhere.
Which tells me that there is someone somewhere is concentrating on these two actions for a reason. I doubt wasting time is a good reason and I dont think they are doing it to ruffle our feathers, they have better things to do.............something is up. Not worried at al
One question.... Who cares if the old rates are up on the English side of the CBI Website? Its the Arabic side that is more important. I cant think of one English language speaking Central Bank that does business with the CBI. They may be but I dont know. CBI could have a 8.5 x11 glossy photo of Big Bird and Cookie Monster on the english side....to me it doesnt matter. Arabic side more important.
Singingwolf: Stephen, Just point of information for those that don't know: Arabic side appears to take you to the same spreadsheet...with the same 1184 filled in since Jan 2017
Stephen: Singingwolf, Thank you for the info. Question I have now is what are the possibilities of another set of books? The banks in Iraq are always in constant contact with CBI. With the info being gone for over 60 days, how is it that the other Iraqi Banks knew exactly what to do and when to go along with the CBI plan all along?
gfulcher66: I really cant seem to put my finger on what we are waiting on, everything inside Iraq, Mosul included would work better if they had a market economy and an IR. So my guess is the DEALS you have taught us about is being leveraged for our side of the pond/USA to get the most bang is Trumps strategy for the timing of this.
Even though the 15th debt ceiling is not connected to the RV it sure would help to have this first, much less feds raising int. rates. I would love to hear you go more into depth about this
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