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Mike: I just can't see Maliki staying in Iraq, there's too many people that literally want to kill him, and he won't have the same security that he enjoys today.
The news is also full of articles that indicate he's going to have tons of lawsuits against him as well. Without his control of the judiciary, life is going to get pretty rough if he stays in Iraq.
It looks like Abadi has begun the process of picking his cabinet, I believe the only issues with that are going to be Defense and Interior positions, the rest should be dealt with quickly. Here's hoping that they form the GOI quickly.
hi-five: Looking through the RV goggles, (which I don't put on too often) do you think this is why Obama came back to Washington early?
Tlar: My money is on he will not stay. The government of Iraq will be chasing him shortly if he does. His government stole 600 billion under his control and the citizen lawsuits not to mention the charges that will be leveled on him for murder by iraq.
It is my belief Iraq is still reorganizing and is not ready to go after him just yet. But when the new government is ready, he better have disappeared.
Iraq is just distancing itself from his regime and until the government is complete the accountability for these crimes are on hold and Maliki is taking advantage of this time. He sits there in the eye of the storm but the back wall of the hurricane is fast approaching and he wont be able to escape it. Tlar
Ralph: I agree Tlar.. BTW- I have not seen any other articles on the matter from the differant news sources (not yet, anyway)? He (Maliki) has not made any tweets for a few days.......
The lawsuits are piling on & I just posted an article stating the new government is goin to investigate the disappearance of billions of dollars (600) from the former government....
livefree : Maliki reminds me of "Bob" in "What about Bob" with Richard Dreyfuss and Bill Murray. No matter where the doctor went, no matter which door he opened, Bob was there! He just couldn't get rid of him and eventually drove the doctor insane! If you saw the movie you'll know what I mean :D
albosdo: Guys, thanks for all your good thoughts here. I too have been hunting for additional articles confirming that Maliki's staying, but thankfully haven't found any. That said, when Maliki stepped down a couple days ago, didn't Abadi say that he (Maliki) would always have a place in the government, or words to that effect? Don't have the original quote handy but it's something that just popped into mind
albosdo: Here's what I'm referring to:
Abadi: Maliki will play role in Iraq's new government
Iraq's prime minister-designate Haider al-Abadi says the incumbent Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki “will remain a fundamental partner in the Iraqi political process.”
Al-Abadi said on his Facebook page on Tuesday that al- Maliki is essential for confronting terrorism. Al-Abadi also called for an "open-minded" approach for developing a "shared national vision to overcome the crisis.”
This is while Maliki has also ordered Iraq's security forces to fulfil their duties in defending the country against the ISIL militancy.
Iraq is in political turmoil over who will form the next government. On Monday, President Fouad Masoum asked deputy parliament speaker Haider al-Abadi to form a new government. Al-Abadi was picked by Iraq’s bloc of Shia parties, the National Alliance.
However, Maliki’s Dawa Party has rejected the nomination. It says the State of Law Coalition holds the majority of seats in parliament and only accepts Maliki as the nominee for the premier post.
Under a de facto agreement among communities in Iraq, the prime minister is a Shia Arab, the president a Kurd, and the parliament speaker a Sunni Arab.
RDiddy: He did make that reference, but I took it to mean that Maliki will always have a place in the history of Iraqi politics - just like Saddam.
Gorwell: Good analogy XXX! Here is a thought...... We always heard of MPs not showing up to meetings because they lived outside of Iraq. Could Maliki hold the SOL position and live outside of the country? Just a thought. I just really want him totally out of the picture for Iraq's sake (and our's too). Gorwell
Rainbowrow: Don't think Maliki will stay around long-but to stay on a little longer to be a pain in the ass-and to control the RV release-that's the kind of power he relishes. Any delay that he can cause is a win for him(in his little demented mind) That being said-I sure hope he's already "wheels up" and that Lojak can find some confirmation.
Livefree: Posted Today, 04:47 AM Maliki's deputy ..! .. State law chosen president of the mass in Parliament
August 16, 2014 14:09
Leaders agree a coalition of state law on the choice of the leader of the coalition, Nouri al-Maliki as head of the State of Law bloc in parliament.
The leader of the coalition of state law Mohammed Saadoun Chihod in a statement singled out by the Radio Marbad that "the meeting day, on Friday, which included the leaders of the coalition had agreed on the choice of al-Maliki, head of the State of Law bloc in parliament, noting that the meeting had been in it also agreed to several things, the most important quad formation of a committee of members of the blocks that fall within the coalition of state law to join the representatives of the National Alliance bloc who will begin consultations with the Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi, to form a government in order to accelerate it. "
Chihod stressed that "al-Maliki asked the members of the coalition supporting the candidate to form a government, Haider Abadi full force and who was present at that meeting."
He called on those present at the meeting to unite the blocks and not to exit from the coalition of state law, and be an integral part of the National Alliance in order to accelerate the formation of a strong Iraqi government
livefree: Here's the link but you may need to scroll for the article:
Mike; The article stated that Maliki would "remain a fundamental partner in the Iraqi political process." That's talking about the future, not the past. When Abadi's statement's first came out I thought it just a way for Maliki to save face and move on. I guess time will tell.
Livefree: There are 2 articles posted at PD that state the opposite, here's one of them:
Future news / Baghdad: -
Announced an MP for the coalition of state law emotions grace, on Saturday, the head of the Coalition Nuri al-Maliki rejected the assumption of office of any sovereign in the next stage, while confirming parking coalition with Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi for the success of future government. "
Her grace in the news, seen by news agency the future: "The State of Law held a meeting, yesterday evening, headed by Prime Alliance Nouri al-Maliki in the presence of Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi, and all the leaders of the coalition," noting that "the meeting did not mention any details about the mechanism for distributing bags ministerial. "
She added that "al-Maliki's refusal of his accession to the position of any sovereign in the next phase," pointing out that "the leaders of the state law chosen Maliki as a coalition in the House of Representatives."
She blessing that "the coalition is standing with Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi, to form the next government and its success, as well as the removal of quotas partisan role and selection of competent ministerial cab" Ended
albosdo: I agree that the number of articles saying Maliki won't have any position outweigh those that do (and thanks for pointing out Chibod, Lojak). It seems implausible that after all the divisiveness and suffering Maliki has caused he'd be considered for any position, let alone head of a bloc (although he IS a blockhead, LOL!) As usual, we need to wait and see how this issue shakes out.
hi-five: This may just be an Iraqi cultural courtesy custom so Maliki can save face. If so, Maliki will decline and move on. I saw this happen with Saddom - - his true loyalists were saying ego pumping things that had no bearing on reality.
Livefree: Speaking of Chihod, just found this over at PD too, hope D2D doesn't mind me stealing his posts:)
Baghdad-and babysit - MP for the coalition of state law Mohammed Saadoun Chihod that his coalition will stand with the Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi, the same force that stop with the Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki for they represent a state of national law.
Said Chihod in a statement received news agency public opinion (and babysit) a copy of it on Saturday, "The State of Law coalition facing an hands with Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi order to speed up the formation of a national government comprising all the ingredients according to the elections to be able to stand against the security challenges and political. "
He stressed "the need to be forming the next government efficiency and professional standards and be in accordance with the decentralized system, by giving wide powers to local governments and the abolition of some ministries and retained only for federal sovereign ministries"
DreamWeaver: If Maliki were able to sidestep all the legal issues and be sworn in as an MP, with immunity, then why would he leave? He doesn't want to give up power and what better way to keep his mitts in the thick of things politically than by being head of SOL, which technicially had the highest number of MPs elected for a single bloc ... right?
This is all going to come down to Maliki's ability to keep power and immunity. If he sees one cannot happen without the other, then he'll probably choose to vamoose.
My only question: Is there any way Maliki could be tried for crimes against humanity and/or embezzling billions even if he were a sworn in MP? If there is a way that can be done, then Maliki is gone for sure.
If not, then, unfortunately Maliki may stay long enough to be assassinated ... as he will not survive long on his own without protection. Someone, probably Sunni, will see to that IMO.
Also, though I'm sorry to have to admit it, this head of SOL bs sounds exactly like something Maliki would try to pull off. Remember, though, that retiring PMs are probably allowed to step back into Parliament ... until the lawsuits and summons and warrants start ... then it will be an entirely different matter that may shortly end Maliki's grand delusion...once and for all.
Either way, let's not fret about it until we see how the new government shapes up as they may not yet have landed Maliki's final blow. Maybe they've kept something back ... like a way of interpreting Constitution that allows Maliki to be prosecuted. Best. ~ DW
Mike: I've always heard them say that immunity was ok for the politicians, unless they had blood on their hands, that's what got Hashemi. He was accused of being a terrorist and they ran him out of town, his immunity was ignored.
Maliki's problem is going to be the illegal torture of his opposition, that and the massacre that occurred at Hawija. Maliki will not enjoy immunity with blood on his hands. I think the articles about Maliki staying and working in Parliament are just wishful thinking.
Maliki: "Should I stay or should I go now? If I stay there will be trouble - If I stay it will be double"
"I fought the law and the law and the law won. I needed money cause I had none - I fought the law and the law won."
Albosdo: Just found this on another site: Maliki assume the chairmanship of the mass law
BAGHDAD Shaima Adel -- Confirmed the appointment of a coalition of law Nuri al-Maliki, head of the bloc in the House of Representatives in response to a desire not to hand over any sovereign position in the next government.
A member of the political bureau of the Dawa Party, Salah Abdul Razzaq (time) yesterday that he (was tasked Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki headed by State of Law bloc in the House of Representatives), indicating that (al-Maliki said during his speech,
his unwillingness to take over any position of the sovereign in the next government) is probable that (allocates position of vice president and deputy prime minister for the state of law will be negotiated with the bargaining positions within the committees formed by all the blocks).
It also announced an MP for the Coalition emotions grace that al-Maliki rejected the assumption of office of any sovereign in the next phase.
Her grace in a statement yesterday that (state law held a meeting chaired by al-Maliki in the presence of Prime Minister-designate Haider Abadi, and all the leaders of the coalition), pointing out that (the meeting does not mention any details about the mechanism of the distribution of ministerial portfolios).
She added that (al-Maliki's refusal of his accession to the position of any sovereign in the next stage), pointing out that (state law leaders chose al-Maliki as a coalition in the House of Representatives).