Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room Early Morning 7-17-15
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Along with the majority of the Muslim world Iraq’s Kurdistan Region will celebrate the Eid al-Fitr feast on Friday, marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, religious authorities announced.
chattels: The Kurdish economy, which had been flourishing in what was the only peaceful portion of Iraq, has taken a hit from a financial dispute with Baghdad, a tsunami of some 2 million refugees and displaced from Syria and the rest of Iraq that have sought refuge in Kurdistan and precious resources having to go to the war.
chattels: In most Muslim country, and in the Kurdistan region, Eid will be celebrated for three days. Celebrations are dampened however by the well over 1,000 Peshmerga killed in the war with ISIS or brutally executed by the religious fanatics, and some 5,000 wounded.
chattels: rudaw.net/english/kurdist... http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/160720152
chattels: LONDON—Several MPs in the British House of Commons have joined forces to back a formal Commons motion calling on the British Government to support direct supplies of heavy weapons to the KRG and slamming Baghdad's effective blockade of such supplies.
chattels: 'to recognise that the Kurds, who have lost 1,000 Peshmerga, are key to isolating and defeating ISIS but are seriously short of the heavy weapons they urgently need.
Will he talk with the Kurdistan Regional Government about how the UK can do much more to help them, as one of our closest and most reliable allies?
chattels: The question and motion indicate a growing awareness in the UK of the centrality of the Kurds in resisting Daesh.
chattels: rudaw.net/english/kurdist... http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/17072015
[07/17/2015 01:36:07 AM] chattels: NEW YORK—Members of the United Nations Security Council are to meet on Monday to formally endorse the nuclear deal that was signed between Iran and the 5+1 group of Western powers in Vienna this week, a top diplomat told Rudaw.
The United States circulated on Wednesday a draft resolution among the members of the Security Council, seeking the UN approval for the Iran deal.
“This is one of the most complicated, imaginative, and interesting drafts that the Security Council has ever considered,” Russian ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin told reporters.
“So I think we should give opportunity to other members of the security council, those who have not been involved in the negotiations, to understand it [the resolution] to begin with. And it’s not an easy thing to do.”
[07/17/2015 01:36:38 AM] chattels: According to the Vienna agreement and the draft Security Council resolution, the arms embargo on Iran will only be lifted once the Director General of the IAEA, the UN nuclear nonproliferation body have “reached the Broader Conclusion that all nuclear material in Iran remains in peaceful activities,”
chattels: rudaw.net/english/world/1... http://rudaw.net/english/world/17072015
chattels: An Ambiguous Nuclear Deal with Iran By DAVID ROMANO
chattels: With the ink hardly dry on the Iran nuclear deal and the agreement still awaiting ratification, a cacophony of supportive and critical voices are already reacting. On the supportive side, American democrats, Iranian moderates and the usual voices in favor of conflict resolution above all sing the agreement’s praises.
On the other side, an unlikely constellation of Israeli leaders, Iranian hardliners, Arab monarchs and American conservatives inveigh against the deal.
chattels: Even without knowing anything else about the deal, this would probably be a good sign that the final compromise was just that – a give and take that captured a fiendishly difficult to establish “zone of agreement” that both sides could sign on to, but that neither is completely happy with.
Anything that favored one of the negotiating sides more would fail the other side’s hurdles. Depending on how the agreement comes to be understood by the public (or how it is spun), it still might fail – in either Washington or Teheran.
These sorts of things do not end with the final meeting in a fancy hotel in Europe. Rather, they set the framework, the possibility, for more engagements and mutually acceptable compromises.
chattels: Your humble columnist is not yet sure which reaction to the deal has the most merit, unfortunately. A lot probably depends on subsequent steps and cooperation (or lack thereof) between the United States and Iran.
The most interesting perspective about this probably came from Austin Long writing in the Washington Post, however. According to Long, if the United States wants to bomb Iran’s nuclear program to zero, the deal they just agreed to makes it a lot easier to do so.
Most centrifuges the Iranians will get to keep will be concentrated in the vulnerable Natanz facility, you see, rather than the deep underground Fordo complex.
There will be a lot more inspections and monitoring of Iran’s entire nuclear industry than currently exist, making it a lot easier to understand and detect a weapons program.
If Iran refuses inspections of some areas, then that too will help Western analysts and spies (and perhaps bombers) know where to focus their attention. Finally, while an attack on Iran today would be seen as an illegal, preventive war, one that came in response to Iran’s violations of this deal would enjoy much more legitimacy.
chattels: rudaw.net/english/opinion... http://rudaw.net/english/opinion/160720151
BOBBY: anyone still up?
chattels: ‹@sczin11›where can i find the chat discussion you referenced late yesterday afternoon ?
sczin11: ‹@chattels› wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1149
chattels: a Happy Eid to all :)
sczin11: AND ON RECAPS ALREADY...
sczin11: ‹@chattels› TOO FUNNY
chattels: ‹@sczin11› really - you guys are good :)
sczin11: ACTALLY, IT WAS YOUR STATEMENT THAT PROMPTED THE CHAT..IT WAS THAT GOOD...:)
sczin11: EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WET
chattels: ‹@sczin11› i wonder if the corrupt will " tax " the DAESH shipments at the Syrian border ? :)
sczin11: IT WOULD BEHOOVE THEM TO CLOSE THAT BORDER TOO...
chattels: ‹@sczin11› ‹@sczin11› assuming that they are able ?
sczin11: USE THE F16s... ALL SIX OF THEM
sczin11: PERFECT HITS BY THE INEXPERIENCED PILOTS
] chattels: ‹@sczin11› I was wrong about the number of sorties - i found and article from May where it was stated that there had been 3.500 + sorties at that time
MichelleL: good morning, happy EID - are we there yet?
chattels: in nine months !
chattels: ‹@MichelleL› it is the first day of the Eid so we are there :)
sczin11: IT WAS SO NICE TO HEAR AND SEE OUR OLD FRIEND, IN CHAT LAST NITE..I HAVE NOTICED FOR WEEKS SHE HAS BEEN IN THE FORUM, POSTING "LIKES" ON MANY POSTINGS
chattels: ‹@sczin11› yes, she is special
sczin11: ‹@MichelleL› ACCORDING TO MANY RELEASES TODAY, EID ISNT OFFICIALLY STARTING UNTIL TOMORROW NOW..TODAY IS THE WARM UP...THE EVE..."EREV" IN HEBREW
chattels: ‹@sczin11› the KUrds for some reason a usually a day earlier
MichelleL: ‹@sczin11› like everything else, an EID of convenience? lol
sczin11: THEY CANT EVEN GET THEIR HOLIDAYS STRAIGHT
chattels: wow - that got jumbled
chattels: ‹@sczin11› they had a " heat holiday " on Wednesday :)
MichelleL: thought they needed the money before eid for the "gifting" - we hear that every year lol
chattels: or yesterday
sczin11: ‹@chattels› NO THURSDAY, BUT WHOS COUNTING, LOL
MichelleL: lol chattels, don't ask how many times, from how many sources I've seen that in what feels like the past lifetime but is indeed less than a decade
chattels: ‹@MichelleL› you are a trooper - you may be the senior journeyman here
sczin11: ‹@MichelleL› AS ACRESULT OF THE HEAT HOLIDAY, REFERENCED ABOVE, GOVT SITES DID NOT UPDATE YESTERDAY..
SO WE HAVE NO INFO ON WHETHER THE PROMISED SALARIES WERE PAID ON WEDNESDAY, YET..AND TODAY EID BEGINNING,
SO BY MONDAY OR TUESDAY...WELL, BY THEN IT WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT...LOL
MichelleL: I remember all the frenetic rushing to purchase from fellow dinarians because "eid was coming" too
MichelleL: Don't think so chattels, one of them but surely there are those here from the beginning
MichelleL: ‹@sczin11› lol typical
sczin11: ‹@MichelleL› AND THEN WE HAD A FEW REPORTS EARLIER THIS WEEK, STATING THEY WILL BE CLOSED UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY...
BUT THEN THURSDAY WILL BE "HEAT DAY" AND FRIDAY SABBATH, SO MAYBE NOT UNTIL JULY 26...
sczin11: I HAD A THOUGHT...TRYING TO BE SKEPTICAL TO WEED OUT CERTAIN PIECES...
MichelleL: lol lol lol
sczin11: THEY IMPOSE TARIFF LAWS ON AUGUST 1
chattels: the Kurds are gaining credibility in the world
sczin11: THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE VALUE OF THE DINAR TO A REALISTIC RATE
MichelleL: sczin are you in doubt they will? they always tell the truth
chattels: Directly arm the Kurds, MPs urge UK government
chattels: rudaw.net/english/kurdist... http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan
sczin11: THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ CAN NOT AFFORD THE GOODS AS COSTS STAND NOW
sczin11: WHICH LOGICALLY MEANS THEY WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE NEW HIGHER PRICED GOODS
sczin11: THE IMPORTERS/RETAILERS ARE MAKING LITTLE NOW BECAUSE OF THE POOR CITIZENS
MichelleL: paying attention sczin lol
sczin11: THE RETAILERS WONT BE ABLE TO BUY MORE.....INCREASED PURCHASING POWER, CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE THE MONTRA...
MichelleL: so.... the tariffs will be moot if there are no purchases
sczin11: SO THE EXPORTERS WILL SIT AT THE OPEN BORDERS, PERISHABLE GOODS WILL GO BAD
MichelleL: we saw that several years ago on the docks I recall
sczin11: THE EXPORTERS WILL GO BROKE
sczin11: THE IMPORTERS WILL CLOSE DOWN
sczin11: THE CITIZENS WILL STARVE
sczin11: AND THE COUNTRY WILL NEVER RECOUP ANYTHING, NEVER MIND REDUCE THE BUDGET DEFICIT
sczin11: THE DEFICIT WILL INCREASE
sczin11: THE ILLUSIVE CREDIT RATINGS WILL BE DOWNGRADED BEFORE THEY EVEN APPEAR TO THE PUBLUC
chattels: " THE GOV SEEMS MORE SECURE ACCORDING TO REPORTS THAN EVER IN HISTORY. " - guess who ?
sczin11: THE BONDS WILL COLLECT DUST AND BE SOLD ON EBAY AS COLLECTBLES
MichelleL: and you're the yang to chattels yin, sczin? ROFL
Doug_W: ‹@chattels› Who?
chattels: ‹@sczin11› sorry - thought you were done - you do go on and on and on :)
sczin11: THE OPEN MARKET GLOBAL ECONOMY, AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST....WILL BE SHUT DOWN!!!!
sczin11: NOW...... HERE COMES YANG.......
MichelleL: lol bout time
sczin11: WHO IN THE WORLD DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO???
sczin11: AM I OFF MY ROCKER HERE? PLEASE, I CAN TAKE IT...TELL ME
sczin11: I WILL GO AWAY
MichelleL: sczin I can't wait till you get into the total crash of our markets - Its hard to jump out of a ranch house window and do much damage
chattels: ‹@sczin11› don't go away
Doug_W: Go Away lol
MichelleL: don't leave
sczin11: ‹@chattels› SORRY SO LONG WINDED, :)
MichelleL: lol sczin aren't you going to finish the yang?
chattels: i struggle to believe that Iraq can or will " control " their borders or operate any tariff / tax that is not disabled by corruption
[sczin11: ‹@MichelleL› I THINK IT IS EVIDENT WHAT YANG IS SAYING...YANG FOLLOWERS, READ BETWEEN THE LINES
MichelleL: or at least get into iran using iraq and a storage facility for all the enriched uranium they're hiding from the americans,
chattels: i, like OOTW, will believe the tariffs when i see them
MichelleL: lol I'm still an optimistic pessimist sczin - have been for the last several years in this
chattels: wonder where the Kurdish collections will go ?
: ‹@chattels› ME TOO..... BUT, U MUST ADMIT, FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER, THE COM AND PM ABADI, HAS MADE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION....NOT REGURGITATED ECONOMIST THEORIES
chattels: they can now argue over that resource if it happens
chattels: ‹@sczin11› i concede such, but can they deliver - we are way past due on the " take back Ramadi in three days " and other grand rhetoric
chattels: the difference between wanting and doing - all two is not one as the geechee have it
sczin11: ‹@chattels› AGAIN, THIS WOULD NOT BE RHETORIC, COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE PRES OF THE COM
chattels: ‹@sczin11› i will - i had no great insight or revelation upon first reading and I am travelling today, but i WILL get back to you
sczin11: UNLESS/UNTIL IT GETS REPEATED BY SAME SOURCE, AFTER REPEATED ADDTL MEETINGS DISCUSSIONS BY SAME GROUP
sczin11: ‹@chattels› ty
chattels: ‹@sczin11› we may have a " definitional difference " - everything is talk until it is done
chattels: some talk is more persuasive than others, but .................
sczin11: ‹@chattels› I TRY NOT TO USE ABSOLUTES... EVERYTHING, ALL, NEVER ETC...
MichelleL: well, I hope you guys get the show on the road, had another dream about a beachfront condo this morning, and unfortunately, each year the place loses a room and an extra bathroom - meanwhile I need to grab the hot water before someone else gets it :)
sczin11: ‹@MichelleL› LOL
chattels: ‹@sczin11› absolutely, never use absolutes :)
sczin11: ‹@chattels› THERE U GO MY WITTY FRIEND
[07/17/2015 07:02:21 AM] chattels: 7-16-2015 Newshound Guru ********Article: "O.d.abdalhasin Anbuge *: Iraqi dinar exchange rate ... hole swallows foreign exchange reserves" Anbuge is calling for the CBI to start reforms which he clearly refers to floating the dinar.
chattels: very positive and upbeat for " *** "
[07/17/2015 07:05:02 AM] sczin11: ‹@chattels› PLEASE GO TO THAT THREAD..U CAN SKIP THE ACTUAL ARTICLE AND LOOK AT REPLY POSTS wealthwatch.world/showthr...
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1150
[07/17/2015 07:16:38 AM] sczin11: ‹@chattels› THAT POST WAS FROM BUTIFLDRM