Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 8-9-15
Wealthwatch Special OOTW Chat 8-9-15 Part 3 of 5
OOTW: Section II: the Federal Supreme Court Article (93): The Federal Supreme Court have the following duties: First, control over the constitutionality of laws and regulations.
Second, the interpretation of provisions of the Constitution.
Third chapter in the issues that arise from the application of federal laws, decisions, regulations and instructions, and procedures issued by the federal authority, the law guarantees the right of each of the Council of Ministers, and stakeholders, individuals and others, the right of direct appeal to the Court.
chattels: typical language defining the province of the judiciary so far
whitelions: It;s the amendments that get you lol
chattels: my read is that any citizen can directly appeal to the court on such issues
OOTW: MY FOCUS IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THE SJC MAY RULE ON ANY MATTER (ALSO) OF CONCERN ALSO BY THE COM
OOTW: AND THAT UNDER THIS AMENDMENT THAT THE COM MY BRING FORTH AN APPEAL BEFORE THE SJC
chattels: recall that last year a direct appeal was sucessfully taken on the constitutionality of the term limit law for the Prime Minister
OOTW: HOPING THAT THIS CURRENT ACTION BY ABADI AND CREW TO ADDRESS CORRUPTION WOULD BE THAT "APPEAL"
chattels: hoping for an appeal of the Abadi reforms ?
chattels: arguably the better course for us is that the actions taken by Abadi with the consent of the COM or Parliament are NOT appealed
OOTW: THIS FALLS UNDER THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY SECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION
OOTW: YES, PERHAPS A MISUSE OF THE WORD APPEAL BY ME...MY INTENTION IS THAT THESE ACTIONS MIGHT BE SEEN AS A PLEA BEFORE THE SJC BY THE COM
OOTW: Sixth: Settling accusations against the president of the Republic, and the Prime Minister, ministers, and is regulated by law.
chattels: the likelihood is that Abadi and company have already sought and obtained a preliminary opinion from the court upon the reform laws, we shall see
chattels: an opinion as to their constitutionality in advance
JethroTexasTea: Maliki supports Abadi proposal to eliminate vice presidency By RUDAW 7 hours ago The Iraqi Vice President Nouri al-Maliki talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi. Photo:
Rudaw The Iraqi Vice President Nouri al-Maliki talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi. Photo: Rudaw ERBIL, Kurdistan Region --
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi’s decision to make extensive political reforms to eliminate the post of vice president and other high-ranking positions in the government caused different reactions among Iraqi factions Sunday.
Disgraced former Prime Minister and sitting Vice President Nouri al-Maliki, whose position will be eliminated under the Abadi proposal, said in a statement to the press he will support Iraqi Shiite leaders’ calls for change in the government.
He asked the Iraqi premier to implement the reform. Salim Jabouri, the head of the Iraqi Parliament, in a statement vowed to stand by the Iraqi premier in his new plan to reduce high-ranking positions.
“The Iraqi Parliament will fully support the government’s reform and will be an observer to the process,” Jabouri said. He added the reforms should take place in accordance with the law.
The Sadrist Movement in Iraq in a statement welcomed Abadi’s plan, and asked its MPs and ministers to support the premier to implement the reforms.
Kurdish Iraqi MP Zana Rosta'ee for his part told Rudaw the announced reform would be ineffective without first amending the Iraqi law.
He also criticized Abadi for being swayed by Iraqi Shiite leaders and demonstrators, suggesting that Abadi’s decisions are emotional and may stir up political conflicts more than before. Abadi’s decision comes days after Iraqis took to the streets across the country demanding better services and an end to corruption.
“The decisions are good but success in implementing such reforms requires law adjustments,” Rosta'ee said. “This kind of unilateral reform by the Iraqi prime minister may bring a kind of dictatorship to power.” In a statement, Abadi said that the n
chattels: or are we talking about some other legislation on corruption specifically ?
JethroTexasTea: rudaw.net/english/middlee... http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/090820151
JethroTexasTea: well if Maliki supports Abadi's measures he supports being booted imo
JethroTexasTea: unwillingly I'd reckon
] OOTW: ‹@chattels› I WOULD HOPE SO BECAUSE THE COM ANNOUNCEMENT SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE SJC WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE COM'S ACTIONS
JethroTexasTea: ‹@OOTW› including Maliki himself lol
chattels: ‹@JethroTexasTea› thanks, posted earlier at wealthwatch.world/showthr...
chattels: ‹@JethroTexasTea› that is why i am wondering what the quid pro quo is for maliki ?
OOTW: JETHRO LOL -HERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
JethroTexasTea: ‹@chattels› probably some sorta deal involving him or his son possibly
OOTW: HOW CAN THE SECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH ADDRESSES AN REQUIRED HOR VOTE TO REMOVE IMMUNITY AND/OR AN MP - IF THE PEOPLE VOTING ARE COMMITTING CORRUPTION AND THAT CAN BE PROVED?
JethroTexasTea: but sounds like the citizens want a piece of Maliki
OOTW: THIS WOULD HAVE TO FALL TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY...THE SJC
OOTW: AND THE SJC IS STATED, IN THE COM ANNOUNCEMENT, TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THE COM'S ACTIONS AGAINST CORRUPTION
chattels: ‹@JethroTexasTea› one would think that there is more to this than meets the public eye ?
JethroTexasTea: ‹@OOTW› now that's deeep
JethroTexasTea: could be...as long as he's removed and parliment can get on with moving foward then either way works
chattels: ‹@OOTW› don't the corrupt always advocate against corruption, at least publically ?
OOTW: I DO NOT SEE HOW THIS WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT - IE THE APPROVAL OF PARLIAMENT, WHICH CONTAINS CORRUPT MINISTERS, RETAIN A LEGAL POSITION IN THIS DECISION. ..THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BYPASS
OOTW: WE'LL SEE HOW MANY SHOW UP
OOTW: TO THE NEXT SESSION
OOTW: TRUE CHATTELS HENCE MOST OF MALIKI'S SPEECHES OVER THE PAST DECADE
chattels: ‹@OOTW› abandoning constitutional process is dangerous no matter the worth of the objective
OOTW: I AGREE...REMEMBER THE COM HAS MADE A PRESS RELEASE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION WHEN NEEDED
OOTW: THEY RETAINED THE WRITE TO DO SO WHEN NEEDED
chattels: what is convenient and expeditious one day can bite one in the arse the next
JethroTexasTea: sounds like they're gonna amend it and move right along
OOTW: THE RIGHT
OOTW: SORRY MY ADD IS KICKING IN..I'M TOO EXCITED
JethroTexasTea: and post to the citizens whomever objects
JethroTexasTea: public spectacle
OOTW: YES JETHRO
JethroTexasTea: ‹@OOTW› haha
chattels: due process of law is one of the values that the international community watches in determining the safety of investments in Iraq
OOTW: ‹@chattels› YES
tipsyterror: If indeed the PM can oust Maliki like this, why has it taken a year for Abadi to do so?
JethroTexasTea: citizens complained to Sistani to enforce a FATWA and override Abadi...Sistani then turned around and said do the right thing...Sadr said the same thing "or else"
JethroTexasTea: and now we're here
OOTW: THE MOMENTUM PROVIDED ALSO BY THE PROTESTORS AND THEY'VE STATED THEY'RE NOT STOPPING UNTIL THEY GUILTY ARE DEALT WITH
JethroTexasTea: Sistani over rules everyone over there
chattels: without due process of law it is a free for all that depends upon the Prime Minister for the moment
JethroTexasTea: Sistani runs that program over there
JethroTexasTea: and now it filters down through govt
JethroTexasTea: which is what it appears to be happening
JethroTexasTea: backwards from what we do
JethroTexasTea: the western ways
chattels: one of the constraints upon progress by Abadi has been due process and constitutionality - to circumvent it would make him no better than Maliki no matter how enlightened the cause
tipsyterror: indeed Maliki chose this same course on multiple occasions.
tipsyterror: i.e. Shabbibi
JethroTexasTea: well when you have a corrupt govt and religion dominates the environment that's how it's going
tipsyterror: et al
chattels: ‹@tipsyterror› true
OOTW: I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY....THE MOB TELLS A COHORT.."YOU HAVE OUR FULL SUPPORT - GO FOR IT" THEN THE PERSON THEY LENT SUPPORT TO DRAWS WAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION –
THEN THE MOB COMES BACK AND SAYS, "GUIDO, YOU'VE DRAWN TOO MUCH ATTENTION, WE CAN'T BE SEEN BEING CONNECTED TO THIS"...THEN GUIDO "GOES DOWN"...THIS IS THE DYNAMIC BETWEEN IRAN AND MALIKI
forestnr4: ‹@chattels› I agree. Abdi attempted for all parties to buy in on the reforms. Time is running out and he now has the green light from the religious leaders to get er done!!! With an Iron Fist!!! Clean house!!!!
JethroTexasTea: ‹@OOTW› that's a good point too....they're ready for the international scene and Maliki has no value to them anymore
chattels: ‹@forestnr4› Abadi has been building support and consensus from Sistani and others i believe and now may have both the moral, military and legislative support that he needs
chattels: best case scenario, but I am concerned about the Kurds
forestnr4: ‹@chattels› exactly!!
chattels: if the Shia and Sunni have gotten together for a majority, but without consensus from the Kurds then we may have some problems
OOTW: ‹@chattels› THAT'S NOT SUCH A WET BLANKET STATEMENT IS IT?
chattels: stepping away, this have been an exhausting discussion :)
JethroTexasTea: ‹@chattels› they've been begging for Abadi to get rid of Maliki tho...what do you see them being concerned about? Sunnis/shia's versus Kurds sorta scenario possibly?
chattels: Budget, Article 140 and oil issues
JethroTexasTea: yea same here...need a drink and it's only 11am haha
OOTW: HERE'S THIS FROM BUTIFLDRM
OOTW: Kurdistan oil companies pay dues and expert prepared by step to attract international companies Author: Publisheron:August 9, 2015In: economyViews: 9 views BAGHDAD / Center Brief for the Iraqi Media Network (IMN) specialist description in state institutions administration in crisis in Washington economist Ali Jabbar Furaiji, the announcement of the Kurdistan Regional Government plans to start paying oil companies, the proportion of crude oil sales revenues, as a single step in the region,
and touched nail the coffin of the oil agreement between the central government and the Kurdistan region of Iraq that were agreed upon at the end of last year and which have not been implemented as agreed.He said Furaiji's (IMN),
"The government of Kurdistan region of Iraq agreed and on a monthly basis to allocate a part of the direct sales of crude oil as payments for international oil companies operating in the region revenues," adding that "the agreement provided for under the terms of an agreement reached is the production and export about 000 250, barrels per day are allowed to Tsidirabbar Turkey,
while another 300,000 barrels a day from North Ystota the disputed province of Kirkuk.
"He said "Baghdad is committed under the terms of the agreement pays $ 500 million to the Government of Kurdistan, which puts 150,000 barrels of oil per day Almentjmn its territory at the disposal of the federal government in exchange."
According to the oil production rates and export of North line - the Kurdistan region of Iraq through Turkey rates pumping about 300,000 barrels per day in the first half of 2015 without paying for exports.
And at the rates of pumping more than 570,000 barrels per day in the sixth month through the pipeline to Ceyhan. Great sense to go beyond what specific for the region.He predicted Furaiji "
After the present Convention will raise production rates at the beginning of 2016 dramatically, which aims to him the provincial government to get to the rates million barrels per day in 2020 - and without the central governm
Wocardtexas: So we want see the rv by end of the month
OOTW: and without the central government - control and which will enhance the control of the Kurdistan Regional Government on production from the Kirkuk fields that suffer the central government to deal with this issue because of the elimination of terrorism battles.
"He Furaiji he was "in the reading of the report of the Ministry of Natural Resources in the territory in which the true readings, that the Kurdistan region" has exported 16 million and 516 thousand and 745 barrels of crude oil to world markets via the port of Ceyhan on the Mediterranean, Turkey during July / July.
" Kzlkqam Kurdistan region to export 16 million and 19 thousand and 90 barrels of crude oil, at a rate of 516 thousand and 745 barrels per day, of which 12 million and 20 thousand and 486 barrels of Kurdistan fields and 998 thousand and 407 barrels, as well as from the Iraqi federal government fields in Kirkuk, the export process has independently administers territory "
And Ray Furaiji these figures encouraging factor in the movement of global stock exchanges, shares operating in the Kurdistan region of international oil companies which increased their value by the new procedures that it intends to Kurdistan region applied, where record high share company "Gulf Keystone" listed on the London Stock Exchange 17.2% and shares Da.an .or Norwegian 13.2 ".
He said the Kurdistan Alliance member Abdul Bari Zebari, earlier, that the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government are committed to the revival of the oil agreement and an end to the differences that led to the stopover in part.
JethroTexasTea: Wow just got this sent over
JethroTexasTea: dang nm no link
JethroTexasTea: basically saying Maliki begged not to be dismissed
JethroTexasTea: I'm sure this article will crop up with a link at some point today
tipsyterror: I think we recently saw that link in here
JethroTexasTea: ‹@tipsyterror› ok cool
JethroTexasTea: wild day
JethroTexasTea: brb def gotta step away after reading this article lol...way too much good stuff today
Fit2beFit: Maliki supports Abadi proposal to eliminate vice presidency
Fit2beFit: Disgraced former Prime Minister and sitting Vice President Nouri al-Maliki, whose position will be eliminated under the Abadi proposal, said in a statement to the press he will support Iraqi Shiite leaders’ calls for change in the government. He asked the Iraqi premier to implement the reform.
JethroTexasTea: ‹@Fit2beFit› this one is different "Al-Maliki begged the wise to stop the decision of dismissal. The latter refuses: remove public demand was supported by Shiite!"
Fit2beFit: Welcome to Iraq news, its a yo-yo of what to believe
Abraham: When I made a few comments yesterday I had no idea of what was accomplished today in Iraq, but I spoke about these ver
Donnie: It's all in the translation.....
Abraham: Very issues
Fit2beFit: Iraq cabinet backs PM Abbadi's sweeping reform measures
Abraham: You see with a B- rating and you want my money, I call the play!
JethroTexasTea: Hayder Al-Shakeرi @HayderSH 2h2 hours ago Many protestors are on their way to Tahrir now to pressure the Parliament to approve Abadi's reforms. #Baghdad #Iraq twitter.com/HayderSH/stat...
OOTW: Kurdistan presidency: We support Abadi reforms "provided" taking into consideration the region and the rest of the ingredients rights Author: BS, RA Editor: BK, BS 9/8/2015 19:37 Number of Views: 278 Long-Presse / Sulaymaniyah Announced the presidency of the Kurdistan region, on Sunday,
support the reform of the decisions taken by the President of the Federal government, Haider al-Abadi, which, while expressed their willingness to cooperate to make it a success, it promised to ensure this requires taking the region benefits and participation into account, with interest of religious and national components in Iraq.
The official spokesman for the presidency of the region Umid morning, in a statement I followed (range Press), "The presidency of the Kurdistan region supports every step the Iraqi government would reform government departments and the fight against corruption and the removal negligent for state institutions," expressing his "willingness region cooperation for the success of those reforms ".
Morning promised, that "ensure the success of the project requires taking the Kurdistan region of benefits and participation into account, at the same time interest in religious and national components in Iraq, without influence them," calling that "implement the reform steps in the framework of the Constitution and the administrative context."
The head of the Council of Ministers, taken on Sunday, (the ninth of August 2015), six reform decisions, represented the abolition of the posts of Vice President and the Prime Minister "immediately", and reduce the comprehensive and immediate in the number of protections for state officials, Dmenhm three presidencies, ministers, MPs and grades special and general managers, governors and members of the provincial councils and their grades, as the face of the removal of all senior positions from quotas partisan and sectarian, and the abolition of the special provisions for each presidencies bodies and state institutions and retirees of them, as well as guidance to open
OOTW: guidance to open past and current files of corruption, under the supervision of a supreme committee to combat corruption is made up of specialists and working principle (Where did you get this), and called on the judiciary to adopt a number of specialized judges well-known integrity fully to investigate and prosecute corrupt, and feminine ministries and agencies to increase efficiency in government work and reduce costs,
while the Council of Ministers called for the approval of the decisions and call the House of Representatives to ratify it to enable the Prime Minister of the reforms called for by the supreme religious authority demanded by citizens. The Cabinet also approved unanimously, in its meeting held today also, on those decisions.
OOTW: President of the Iraqi Council of Ministers Haider al-Abadi and the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani in Arbil International Airport, on Monday, (April 6, 2015). Party Barzani supports resolutions Abadi and confirms: application is not easy Author: HH, RA Editor: AB, HH 9/8/2015 2:37 p.m. number of readings: 512 Long-Presse / Sulaymaniyah
The Kurdistan Democratic Party led by the region's president, Massoud Barzani, announced on Sunday, support the reform of the resolutions issued by the Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, and stressed that the implementation of those decisions is not as "easy to work,"
the fact that the government formed by consensus, as called for changes and reform according to a deliberate plan and the Court. The head of the Kurdistan Democratic Party faction in the House of Representatives Khosro Goran in an interview with the site party, and seen by, the (long-Presse), "The Democratic Party supports and supports radical reforms by Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi whether through tight program because the party with reform." .
He said Curran, "The decisions issued by the Iraqi Prime Minister good decisions if able to be applied, where there is no country in the world has all this quantum of Vice-Presidents of the Republic and the Minister, in addition to a number of redundant ministries nor pointless created to please this or that party and it can be canceled or merged with other ministries. "
Curran pointed out, that "a great deal of officials appointed to please the masses", stressing that "rampant corruption in the joints of the entire country, where are traded and the buying and selling positions and jobs for years." Curran stressed, that "the application of those decisions is not easy work,
because the current Iraqi government was formed on the basis of consensus," calling to "make changes and reform according to a deliberate plan and the Court."
The Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi was taken on Sunday, (August 9, 2015), six reform decisions which the abolition of the posts of Vice Pr
Fit2beFit: ‹@OOTW› YOUR ON FIRE...GO GIRL
OOTW: of the posts of Vice President and the Prime Minister "immediately", and reduce the comprehensive and immediate in the preparation of protections for all state officials Dmenhm three presidencies, ministers, MPs and special grades and managers General and conservatives and members of the provincial councils and their grades,
in the face of the removal of all senior positions from quotas partisan and sectarian, and the abolition of the special provisions for each presidencies bodies and state institutions and retirees of them, and in the face of open past and current files of corruption under the supervision of a supreme committee to combat corruption is made up of specialists and working principle (of Where did you get this),
and called on the judiciary to adopt a number of specialists known judges of integrity fully to investigate and prosecute corrupt, and feminine ministries and agencies to increase efficiency in government work and reduce costs,
while the Council of Ministers called for the approval of the decisions and call the House of Representatives to ratify it to enable the Prime Minister of the reforms called for by the supreme religious authority demanded by citizens.
The Sadrist movement expressed and Vice President Nuri al-Maliki and Osama Najafi and Parliament Speaker Salim al support for steps to reform the Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and called on everyone to abide by.
The Information Office of the Prime Minister, announced on Saturday (the eighth of August 2015), the Council of Ministers will be held on Sunday an extraordinary meeting to discuss the decisions and recommendations made by him or of its committees previously,
and will soon announce a plan for reform of the three axes of an urgent need to tackle corruption and improve the economy and services, calling for political blocs called to respond to the demands of the demonstrators to start first accounting of its ministers and the follow-up performance.
And the holding of the Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi, on Saturday (the eighth of A
OOTW: ‹@Fit2beFit› :)
OOTW: a number of experts and advisers to discuss the administrative and financial reform axes and improve services and address the sagging career in addition to the allocation of an expanded part of the ways and means of addressing corruption and the corrupt.
The head of the Iraqi Council of Ministers Haider al-Abadi stressed, on Saturday (the eighth of August 2015), the willingness to take administrative and financial urgent and close reforms, and as pointed out that the government program that Kara Council of Ministers to reduce some privileges and salaries in line with the religious authority directives, called for political blocs to kick in the current period.
The bloc called on the citizens, on Friday (August seventh of the current 2015), its ministers and the rest of the government ministers put their resignations to the prime minister, however, indicating that they come to support the move to reform government.
The student representative of the religious authority in Karbala, Ahmad Safi, on Friday (the seventh of a father in 2015), al-Abadi, to be more "daring and courage" to fight "financial and administrative corruption", and invited him to "strike hard" on the "abusers" people's money, and "signal" to those who "hinder" the process of reform.
The President of the Council of Ministers, on Friday (the seventh of August 2015), his commitment to the directives calling for the religious authority to fight corruption, vowing to announce a comprehensive plan of reform and work to implement them.
The President of the Parliament Saleem al-Jubouri, on Friday (the seventh of August 2015), the allocation of the next meeting of the Council to consider the demands of the demonstrators, noting that Parliament will question the ministers who are demanding questioned.
The protests affected many provinces since (the 31st of July 2015), as a result of widespread corruption and deterioration of electricity, and the continuation of the worsening energy crisis without a radical solution, despite promises "dumped optimism", launch crisis without a radical solution, despite promises "dumped optimism", launched by several senior government officials in this regard, and on top the former prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, and his deputy for Energy, Hussain al-Shahristani, as well as ministers of all electricity in the previous governments.
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